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The Big & Dandy DMT Thread - The Fifth Symphony

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Yeah... I have a good bit too lying around and am just taking baby steps. I'm just starting to think pre-breakthrough doses are anxiety prone as your ego is trying to stay in control. While a breakthrough, I assume will make the ego irelevant...
 
i need to get hold of some more DMT but cant seem to find any. for fuck sake, i wanna experience this amazing stuff again and introduce some friends to it
 
I'm just starting to think pre-breakthrough doses are anxiety prone as your ego is trying to stay in control.

really? i've always found sub-breakthrough doses of dmt to be relaxing (while i'm usually an anxious person) with no "fight" between the ego and the psychedelic as is the case with acid or shrooms.
 
Has anyone experienced hell with this compound? I had a hellish experience with 20 mg of 5-MeO-DMT where I thought my life had culminated in me finally learning my lesson, but my buddy said he went to hell on his most intense DMT trip. He took about 4 lungfulls and when he broke through he heard a voice say "You don't believe in hell? Well you're going there."

We are wondering what the implications are of this experience. He doesn't/didn't? believe in hell so he thought the DMT may have been simply showing him that there is a hell. The other thing we were wondering is when the voice said he was going to hell, was the voice telling him that the DMT would simply show him that hell exists and that he was only going to hell during the experience, or was the voice telling him that hell is where he is destined to go after death?

He still loves DMT and says it isn't like a drug, it's like a pure spiritual experience, but he is definitely examining his life after this particular experience!

I'm wondering if anyone has experienced any difficult trips where they blasted of to hell. Please provide details.

I don't know if anyone responded to this yet. Id like to with a short trip report. Well maybe not a report.

Once I got "There" after synchronicity after synchronicity had me feeling pumped over nothing and then realizing DMT would be perfect and hearing the *ding ding ding* whistle going off in my head confirming that sneaking suspicion I have had for months... I took the pipe I had already loaded weeks ago and was just too afraid to blast off then. Now was the perfect time. I laid back, With a mix of White Sage, a little bit of Dream Herb and a dash of Hops and Passionflower I took the first hit. All is well I was told. No need to hold this first one in excessively long. Just long enough, 10 seconds or less will work. Just remember, GET THE REST OF IT IN. 60+ mgs... have just begun. I begin to take the second hit. I notice the entire bowl amber's up and I have the lung capacity so I go for it. *SSSSSSWWWWWWIIIIIIIIISSSSHHHHHHHHH* says the stream of

( Instantaneously emersed in an emerald, self translucent, true color palace of perfect simplicity and pure perfection. In front of me lies an alter: 3 steps to the center stage and behold- THE picture of my life.)

Literally an alter of liquid metal, polished glossy red floors, glossy bright yellow walls, orange roof, and a golden spectral arch in the center surrounding a picture frame that housed in holographic realtime the bulk of my memories in vivid, simple, perfect clarity- "FINALLY!!! YOU HAVE PREPARED FOR SO LONG! LOOK! THIS IS YOUR TEMPLE! THIS IS YOU!!!!" said the zipping, zapping mechanical digits emoting expressions in response at light speed. Between ME, and the two doorways on each side of this Space these beings, or digits of soul zipped back and forth as if keeping the state of this space perfectly stable and keeping me centered on this image, This Stargate, This Wormhole of a picture on the wall of all my memories. I got the sense this is where I am bound at the moment to end up when I die. This is my after death Space, my own personal temple to meditate in simplicity and to enter into my lifes memories hanging on the wall in front of me at will.

I notice though, A bulk of this image is taken up by a vaaaast green feild, plains of rolling pastures emanating from this image of vast sums of land that take up a huge part of my life!

a slight inkling snapped in my head at this point: Although this is beyond heaven, beautiful, this is just slightly disappointing... The fact that the memories I have on my wall are memories I don't even particularly feel all too strongly or , I don't really approve of this memory, Id rather forget about that time in my life when I was fat, lazy and useless, out in the middle of nowhere... I mean Uhghh

"What? WHats that? You don't like it? Well this is what you have made for yourself, and If you don't like it, YOUR STUCK WITH IT. THIS IS WHAT YOU GOT. YOU DON'T LIKE IT? WELL THEN..."

*as these "digits" wwwwiiiiinnnndddd back...." -FFFFFFFFFFF



*** - FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF *** Anticipation rising as if I had just set off an avalanche of ... Oh no....

****---- FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUCK YOU!!!****slamming my heart into itself with the wrath of the ultimate self regret...

*****AND YOU KNOW WHAT???*****

*****FUCK YOUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!!!!****As this time he, it they pierce me with Daggers of STEEL, CAGING ME IN to the jail cell of self realizing eternal, perpetual shame and guilt... but... bb bbuuutttt wait, I didn't mm mean too...

****aaaannnnddd...****


******Annnnnd Can you Guess what??*******

*********GuessFFFFFFFFFFFUCK YOUUUUUU!!!!!!**********

as the jail cell of the lowest, worst, most ... utterly as low as omg, OMG WHAT HAVE I DONE- hardens steel - Im not going to be s ss ststuck with this... a aam I?

***********Wait.... YOU BET YOUR ASS YOU WILL BE! AND YOU KNOW WHAT WE THINK ABOUT IT? AND YOU?FFFFFFUUUUUCK YOUUUUU!!!!!!!**********

***Okay now were done, again, FUCK YOU. WE ARE YOUR MEMORIES, AND WE WILL BE YOUR HELL WETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT.****

:!

Wait... it then hit me: So my memories, As beautiful as heaven, depending on how I look at it, your saying heaven and hell are the same thing? Thinking I don't Particularly like this memory was like setting a BOMB off in these machines faces, these digits guts went every which way, as they gathered themselves they really took it hard on me, really got the message clear. I need to come to terms with myself, and accept who I am, where I have been and understand it, become it enough to be able to love it, and ultimately allow those memories that would once enslave me to my own regret in turn liberate me and allow me to transcend, to forgive my own mistakes and move on.

This really wasn't that bad of a memory to begin with but, In this place, Hell... It sure was: I sure don't want those feelings lingering around after im gone.

Loosen up the image a bit, allow something else into your picture... Besides, where do we stand? Is there not enough room left in there for US?

Now the process of cleaning up and making room, but the point is heaven and hell are the same thing, its how you look at it, was the message I got. Wether you let your own self: your own past, your own feelings, your own regrets hold you back, or see into them and allow them to set them free as they are meant to be. <3<3<3

ALL IN ALL: This one was Beautiful as Heaven and terrifying as Hell at different points. The entire scene was beautiful. But it left me with re-assurance, and is pushing me to lean towards not really being so serious about myself anymore. It is helping me to loosen up my picture, and loosen up myself a bit so i'm not so hard on myself and other people around me: and if something goes wrong, let it go: it's not the end of the world, nor does it mean eternal damnation, as long as you get the message clear. If you don't it only gets tougher, only gets more frightening to make the message clear.
 
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Ah, found it.

Okay, so I think I'll be able to get my hands on some DMT pretty soon here. I've read about it a good deal, and so far, here's what I gather:

- It's incredibly powerful, as in it has the potential to send you to another galaxy.

- It tastes and smells like burning plastic

- You generally won't do anything stupid like run up to a cop or something crazy like on PCP

- Like any psychedelic, I really only have a small picture of what I'm in for.

- You kind of do it the same way you would salvia, with a few differences: you gotta take a huge hit from a bowl or a bong, and hold it in until your lungs are about to explode. It'll taste very unappealing. However, you shouldn't let the flame touch the DMT. (to this end, I've got a jet lighter, the kind you use for cigars, or should that just be left for salvia?)

Now, here's my plan, let me know if this is moronic.

- I'll probably not do it as soon as I get it. I think with something like this, the best setting for me is in my backyard very late at night, under a starry sky. I discovered this is best, as I've done it with both acid and mushrooms. OR, I might do it the second I get it, as the person I know who will have it has a place of his own, and he's interested in tripping with me. I know the guy well enough, so I think I can trust him as a sitter. the thing is, I don't want to be holding on to this stuff for too long.

- I'll probably smoke it out of a bowl, with a tiny amount of bud at the bottom to act as a filter.

Now, the only things I'm foggy on: what's a good dose? I'll probably get a gram or so (not that I plan on doing a whole gram, that's what, 1000 mg? something tells me that's an aggressively dumb idea) to 'share' with friends. Someone told me that .1g will be good enough to blast me off into the Andromeda galaxy, and I can trust him on these matters. For my self, I think I'll keep about .2 grams, for multiple trips. That's reasonable, right?
 
Okay, so 100mg will definitely cover it, in fact, it sounds like that's higher than the breakthrough dose. I don't have (or even know anyone who has) a scale that measures to milligrams, unless the guy I know that has it does, he never said. So I got the general idea, and a vague impression of what I'm in for, now I just have to actually experience it, something I've been interested in for a long time.
 
^ If you're aiming for a breakthrough dose, there's no way you're gonna smoke too much. It hits you so fast, you just won't physically be able to smoke any more than it takes to break through -- I still only manage to smoke as much as I'm aiming to about half the times I sit down with my pipe. Just load a really generous bowl.
 
Had a breakthrough for teh first time - a proper full one...

On the 3rd hit, have mastered teh way of using my pipe - finally...lol

I saw Shiva, I saw Aphrodite, and more geometric star constellation patterns than I have ever seen in my LIFE!!!!

I did it twice in one night, lay down, had my eyes closed, and kept all teh lights off...just wow. Definitely think I can push it harder and higher...I opened my eyes too soon I reckon...

I was not scared at all either, I embraced it with every part of my being.
 
I don't know if anyone responded to this yet. Id like to with a short trip report. Well maybe not a report.

Once I got "There" after synchronicity after synchronicity had me feeling pumped over nothing and then realizing DMT would be perfect and hearing the *ding ding ding* whistle going off in my head confirming that sneaking suspicion I have had for months... I took the pipe I had already loaded weeks ago and was just too afraid to blast off then. Now was the perfect time. I laid back, With a mix of White Sage, a little bit of Dream Herb and a dash of Hops and Passionflower I took the first hit. All is well I was told. No need to hold this first one in excessively long. Just long enough, 10 seconds or less will work. Just remember, GET THE REST OF IT IN. 60+ mgs... have just begun. I begin to take the second hit. I notice the entire bowl amber's up and I have the lung capacity so I go for it. *SSSSSSWWWWWWIIIIIIIIISSSSHHHHHHHHH* says the stream of

( Instantaneously emersed in an emerald, self translucent, true color palace of perfect simplicity and pure perfection. In front of me lies an alter: 3 steps to the center stage and behold- THE picture of my life.)

Literally an alter of liquid metal, polished glossy red floors, glossy bright yellow walls, orange roof, and a golden spectral arch in the center surrounding a picture frame that housed in holographic realtime the bulk of my memories in vivid, simple, perfect clarity- "FINALLY!!! YOU HAVE PREPARED FOR SO LONG! LOOK! THIS IS YOUR TEMPLE! THIS IS YOU!!!!" said the zipping, zapping mechanical digits emoting expressions in response at light speed. Between ME, and the two doorways on each side of this Space these beings, or digits of soul zipped back and forth as if keeping the state of this space perfectly stable and keeping me centered on this image, This Stargate, This Wormhole of a picture on the wall of all my memories. I got the sense this is where I am bound at the moment to end up when I die. This is my after death Space, my own personal temple to meditate in simplicity and to enter into my lifes memories hanging on the wall in front of me at will.

I notice though, A bulk of this image is taken up by a vaaaast green feild, plains of rolling pastures emanating from this image of vast sums of land that take up a huge part of my life!

a slight inkling snapped in my head at this point: Although this is beyond heaven, beautiful, this is just slightly disappointing... The fact that the memories I have on my wall are memories I don't even particularly feel all too strongly or , I don't really approve of this memory, Id rather forget about that time in my life when I was fat, lazy and useless, out in the middle of nowhere... I mean Uhghh

"What? WHats that? You don't like it? Well this is what you have made for yourself, and If you don't like it, YOUR STUCK WITH IT. THIS IS WHAT YOU GOT. YOU DON'T LIKE IT? WELL THEN..."

*as these "digits" wwwwiiiiinnnndddd back...." -FFFFFFFFFFF



*** - FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF *** Anticipation rising as if I had just set off an avalanche of ... Oh no....

****---- FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUCK YOU!!!****slamming my heart into itself with the wrath of the ultimate self regret...

*****AND YOU KNOW WHAT???*****

*****FUCK YOUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!!!!****As this time he, it they pierce me with Daggers of STEEL, CAGING ME IN to the jail cell of self realizing eternal, perpetual shame and guilt... but... bb bbuuutttt wait, I didn't mm mean too...

****aaaannnnddd...****


******Annnnnd Can you Guess what??*******

*********GuessFFFFFFFFFFFUCK YOUUUUUU!!!!!!**********

as the jail cell of the lowest, worst, most ... utterly as low as omg, OMG WHAT HAVE I DONE- hardens steel - Im not going to be s ss ststuck with this... a aam I?

***********Wait.... YOU BET YOUR ASS YOU WILL BE! AND YOU KNOW WHAT WE THINK ABOUT IT? AND YOU?FFFFFFUUUUUCK YOUUUUU!!!!!!!**********

***Okay now were done, again, FUCK YOU. WE ARE YOUR MEMORIES, AND WE WILL BE YOUR HELL WETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT.****

:!

Wait... it then hit me: So my memories, As beautiful as heaven, depending on how I look at it, your saying heaven and hell are the same thing? Thinking I don't Particularly like this memory was like setting a BOMB off in these machines faces, these digits guts went every which way, as they gathered themselves they really took it hard on me, really got the message clear. I need to come to terms with myself, and accept who I am, where I have been and understand it, become it enough to be able to love it, and ultimately allow those memories that would once enslave me to my own regret in turn liberate me and allow me to transcend, to forgive my own mistakes and move on.

This really wasn't that bad of a memory to begin with but, In this place, Hell... It sure was: I sure don't want those feelings lingering around after im gone.

Loosen up the image a bit, allow something else into your picture... Besides, where do we stand? Is there not enough room left in there for US?

Now the process of cleaning up and making room, but the point is heaven and hell are the same thing, its how you look at it, was the message I got. Wether you let your own self: your own past, your own feelings, your own regrets hold you back, or see into them and allow them to set them free as they are meant to be. <3<3<3

ALL IN ALL: This one was Beautiful as Heaven and terrifying as Hell at different points. The entire scene was beautiful. But it left me with re-assurance, and is pushing me to lean towards not really being so serious about myself anymore. It is helping me to loosen up my picture, and loosen up myself a bit so i'm not so hard on myself and other people around me: and if something goes wrong, let it go: it's not the end of the world, nor does it mean eternal damnation, as long as you get the message clear. If you don't it only gets tougher, only gets more frightening to make the message clear.

Thank you so much for that enlightening trip report. I truly connect with your experience as psychedelics have showed me the paradoxical nature of reality. Heaven and hell are truly one, it is all simply dependent on perspective. One way to understand this dependence on perspective was a revelation induced through psychedelics about the infinite nature of reality.

You can not take a fraction or a percentage out of infinity, therefore the sum of all of your experiences, everything that makes you "you" has a value of zero. You are nothing within infinity, as your value is "0" percent. That is one way to look at reality. The negative, pessimistic view that deems life as pointless and without meaning.

On the other hand, without the sum of all of your experiences, without everything that makes you "you", reality would cease to be infinite, as an infinite reality is dependent on everything within it. Without you and the sum of all of your experiences, reality would cease to be infinite, therefore your value is infinite, never-ending, as this infinite reality is infinitely dependent on you and everything else both within and beyond our perception in order to be infinite. You are everything. This is the view that sees life as having infinite meaning and beauty.

From one perspective we are nothing, from the other we are everything.

We can create infinite meaning, or subscribe to the perspective that our existence means nothing. Regardless of what you choose, you will be correct.

I had a hellish experience on 5-MeO-DMT where I felt locked into a cage of regret and embarrassment. Like your experience I had the feeling of "I didnt mean to" and I realized that this was the way reality truly was, that my entire life had been set up for me to learn this lesson, and that I was trapped in this hell. It was my consciousness itself that was perpetuating this existence, and I felt such embarrassment because I was subjecting everything and everyone else to this hell and everything and everyone knew that it was my fault. At a certain point I accepted this as being the true nature of reality that I was destined to experience for an eternity and I began to think positively and decided that if this was the nature of this eternal existence that I would make the best of it. I began to think that if my consciousness was perpetuating reality that it was actually kind of cool. I began enjoying the experience, but unfortunately shortly after I submitted myself positively to this experience I began to come down and realized that I was not locked into this experience forever. Had I continued to let go, I believe the experience would have become exponentially positive as it had started exponentially negative.

It just goes to show you that your perspective can create heaven or hell. The understanding of the paradoxical nature of reality affords you this choice, and you must submit and accept yourself, as you are the maker of your own universe.
 
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From one perspective we are nothing, from the other we are everything.

We can create create infinite meaning, or subscribe to the perspective that our existence means nothing. Regardless of what you choose, you will be correct.

This was for me, the most humbling realization I've ever had.. it set me free.. DMT let me experience it and meditation let me understand it.

<3
 
LSD led to that realization, as well as many others. Very strong doses and a few years of integration. I can't recommend LSD enough, but I have only experienced one sub-breakthrough dose of 30 mg of DMT, and Im a little apprehensive about trying it. I feel it might be the one to send me over the deep end to which there is no return! I need to trust myself a little bit more as a few difficult trips have left me scared of anything as intense as DMT. It sounds very benign, but there are a few difficult experiences out there.
 
It sounds very benign, but there are a few difficult experiences out there.
Yes, once properly broken through DMT can hardly be called benign but I would call DMT very nice and forgiving. Smoking far to much DMT can be terrifying but its nothing compared to smoking far to much 5-MeO-DMT. Also one trend I noticed is people become much more accustomed to the feeling of being rocketed into hyperspace and the anxiety it produces just give it time!:)
 
I thought I would share with the community that, on friday night, I used DMT to stop someone smoking freebase cocaine, the same day they got out of prison.

The woman I'm seeing (her ex of 12 years is the person in question) was telling me about him, and how, even though they cannot be in the same room together, how much she cared for him still, and how furious she would be if she saw someone giving him cocaine again, especially in a pipe.

So when we parted ways after we walked the dogs, I went down to the pub and just chilled out, drawing a little, and he walks in with a friend. He is greeted warmly, and as the minutes tick over I cannot help but get the feeling that his friend was probably not the appropriate friend to be with him straight after getting out of incarceration.

SO, anyway, my friend starts talking about the DMT experiences we had had, he asks some questions and then just carries on talking to his friends. He would like to try it, and seeing as it seemed at the time that his mate was gonna try and get him to go with him to go score some cocaine, I thought it would be a good idea.

SO I load him up a bowl - he likes it, it get passed on...

After about 3 small sub-breakthrough hits, and one REALLY obvious breakthrough - he seems very smiley and blessed when he came back into the world, but then I can see his gung-ho arrogance shine through again...I think "fuck...Maybe he needs an ayahuasca brew or a large dose of LSD to break through that ego...I really feel foolish"...and then him and his mate go, thanking me, and I feel a bit disappointed.

Later in the evening I tell my friend's father(who is good friends with my ladyfriend), who is part of an ayahuasca circle and he has been acquaintances with the guy from way back, about what I did and my intention behind it, and how I "failed"...then I feel naive as hell after speaking in such a way.

The next day I see the guy and he thanks me again for the previous night, and I don't feel like asking too many questions about his experience as I've already made some assumptions, so I just sit there at the pub table sketching.

However, that evening my friend's father comes up to my at the pub, and tells me that what I did WORKED.

The guy went and saw him later that day, and told him about everything that happened, and that he decided not to do cocaine that night, and had some great insights when he went to bed, and the next day also, and has really decided to step back a little for a while - evidently it took a lil while to integrate the experience.

Then the guy turns up at the pub again, and we have a long indepth talk and smoke some more, and he opens up quite a lot to me, and I see just how damaged he is.

this tale is to be continued - I can see me and him having an interesting future relationship.
 
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