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The Big & Dandy DMT Thread - The Fifth Symphony

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DMT vapor is rather gentle, but the DMT-n-oxide vapors formed from burning DMT are incredibly harsh. If your lungs are hurting from occasional use of DMT, its probably due to improper technique (ie, burning instead of heating).

Consider investing in a glass vapor genie, as its designed to avoid burning the product.

Also keep in mind: inhaling stuff other than air is almost never "okay" for your lungs. They are very delicate. But the potential reward is definitely worth the potential risk in the case of DMT-- especially if steps are taken to minimize risk. :)
 
Roger&Me said:
Consider investing in a glass vapor genie, as its designed to avoid burning the product.
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I've never used any of the weird glass pipes with an array of different bulbs, hole arrangements, etc at the end and dont really know what to do with them.

Can you post a link to and photo of an exact model that you mean and step by step directions how to use it for DMT?

Sorry to be such a duffus.
 
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The Vaporgenie is a specific brand. Shouldn't be hard to find via google search, and its designed to be user-friendly. No worries. :)

You just put the DMT inside the bowl, and cover it with a ceramic piece that comes with the vaporgenie, and then hit it just like a normal pipe.
 
Thanks. Found the maker's website. Cool. $99 plus $20 for case, that's an expensive pipe! They have wood ones for $55. Still too much! Though their use is very obvious and simple... put material be it DMT or plant matter inside, put on the top containing the ceramic flame filter, and suck while applying flame to the top of the filter like you were smoking a regular pipe.

Can one of the array of "meth pipes", "crack pipes" etc. on display at my local head shop for $7.99 and up be effectively used? If so, which type (there are lots of different arrangements), and HOW DO YOU USE THEM? People seem to think it is intuitively obvious, but I have only ever used a regular tobacco/weed pipe with a screen and look at all those different weird glass pipe and just go WTF?
 
^ meth pipes work but they don't have very long stems so you have to take multiple small hits. The great thing about "The Machine" or from the looks of the "Vapor Genie" is the long stem allows you to take large hits all at once. The longer the stem the better if you're going the meth pipe route.
 
Dwayne: yeah, a base pipe (crackpipe) will work fine. People usually prefer ones with a sherlock-style stem, or at least some twist/turn/zig-zag so the stem isn't a straight line (this helps avoid accidentally sucking powdered DMT into your mouth, if you have a straight one you have to be extra careful to let all the DMT melt before you start pulling).

The big 'trick' that most newbies mess up with a base pipe is that you want to circle the flame gently around the bottom of the pipe rather than just holding it still underneath. If you hold it still, the DMT will try to 'escape' the heat, moving around the bottom of the bowl and making it harder to get a big rip. If you slowly circle the flame, the material will stay put much better.

I've only used 'em a few times myself, so someone with more expertise, feel free to jump in and add to/correct my explanation as you see fit ;)
 
So I would put the DMT through the hole in the top of the bulb, so it is actually on the inside of the bulb resting on the very bottom of the glass, and apply the flame there, right? OK, I think I am getting the idea... thanks for the tips about the curvy stem and circling the flame... sounds very helpful.
 
$99 plus $20 for case, that's an expensive pipe! They have wood ones for $55. Still too much! Though their use is very obvious and simple... put material be it DMT or plant matter inside, put on the top containing the ceramic flame filter, and suck while applying flame to the top of the filter like you were smoking a regular pipe.
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Here's a "titanium Vaporgenie":
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Wouldn't stapling together three or four screens, pushing it in on top of a cheap little metal bowl with DMT under it and a long stem attached, then using gentle flame application do essentially the same thing for about 5 cents? I mean, minus the titanium it seems like the same concept as the above style of Vaporgenie. You can send the other $98.95 you planned to spend anyways to charity! Personally, I know the feeling I'd have from giving to a good cause and not wasting so much money temporarily satisfying a pipe fetish would do more for my DMT trip than sucking the spunk of the gods out of that fancy glass phallus.
 
Yea, but that sure is indeed one sweet looking fancy glass God-phallus... thanks to Roger&Me for whipping it out and makin us all drool, HAHA!

(good idea about using multiple screens, but on the the vaporgenie website they say they use CERAMIC filter. I think the cheap glass meth pipe is probably the way to go to avoid burning it)
 
I know the glass one uses a ceramic picture, but the picture of the one I posted, which is referred to as a Vaporgenie on the site I took it from at least, appears to use a metal one. This suggests that the metal screen type filter is also plenty effective. To maximize effectiveness the filter's heat conductance would need to result in minimum vaporization temps for DMT inside the bowl when a standard lighter flame/suction is applied (not to mention that that temp probably varies by how many and what type of impurities are mixed with the DMT freebase extracts most will be using. I'm not certain ceramic achieves this anymore precisely than metal, though I assume it must be superior in this regard for cannabis if there is to be some justification for its inclusion beyond the fact that those selling it can give it a higher mark-up..

Has anyone tried putting their DMT pipe in the freezer before hitting it to cool the smoke and enable larger hits? I'm curious if the increased condensation of the vapor on the cooled surface of the pipe's stem relative to room temp is significant enough to outweigh the advantage of being able to hit it harder.
 
^Not sure about the thinking here.

The vaporization is not going to happen till a certain temp is reached, right? So the heat source just has to work harder to overcome the initial cold from freezer, but vapor temp should in the end be exactly the same, right?
 
^Yep, no change in the vaporization temperature. The cooling would occur during the vapor's movement through the stem. I think fire, indirect or not, will not take long to overcome any cooling due to the initial bowl temperature. My only concern regarding that is condensation (the way a cold soda can "sweats" more in hot humid weather than a warm one; I'm wondering if that would happen to the DMT vapor). What is it you're confused about, exactly?

The comment about the minimum temperature (to prevent burning) to vaporize all the DMT was not in regard to the freezer idea, it was in regard to the difficulty in guessing whether a ceramic or metal filter is the best choice for reaching that temperature inside the bowl.
 
kelvanE said:
i dunno, i wound up smoking it off of tin foil, so I would assume there is NO RISK of burning the stuff since I am not applying a flame direct at all.

wrong?
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The DMT just has to go above the vaporization temperature and pyrolyze to dmt-n-oxide in order to increase its potency as an irritant many fold.

I would imagine its just as possible to do that using foil as with any other method.

That being said, some people are more sensitive than others. And like I said in my earlier post, smoking anything is never good for you-- the lungs are delicate organs.
 
Twigs said:
That's a pretty a accurate scale. I think you mean .001 g scale.
Anyway, the method of weighing the vial, take out a bit and then weigh the vial again, should work just fine.
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i think i meant .001g instead :)

is there any other way to get an accurate weigh? i cant way the vial i'm using now due to it being over the 50g limit my scale has. and thats without the dmt in it.

how does everyone else do it?
 
Shit it took me a little while to get back, but thanks Help! and Kat! I definitely had a feeling that would be the case, as my high dose mushroom and LSD trips haven't been effected (at all actually...not even in the slightest anxiety aspect.)

Yeah, will be sampling a nice breakthrough of this new stuff within the next few days. My friend tried a little and lost (gained) his head.
 
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