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Dissociatives The Big & Dandy Deschloroketamine Thread

Crashing said:
Good lord, that is a shit drug. I wonder if I was getting MXE before.
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I've done DXM, ketamine, PCP, 3-meo-PCP, mxp, diphenidine, nitrous and this. Wisely avoided dissociatives during MXE (I abuse these drugs.)

Out of all those, I would probably not do diphenidine and would definitely not do DCK again.

The whole point of ketamine for me is you're up and down quick. I generally prefer PCP stimulation and DXM has my favorite "hole." Don't get me wrong I rank k highly.

This lacks all desirable aspects of ketamine and I don't want an extreme "afterglow" lasting 12+ hours I have shit to do.
 
sean107 said:
That's psychosis for ya!
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Nope, it's the drugs. He doesn't seem psychotic to me. Check DSM-IV criteria. He had hallucinations on dissociatives and considers them valuable is all as far as I can tell. I wouldn't deny the possibility that his use will eventually lead into psychosis, since dissociatives can do that.
 
Crashing may be a hard BL pill to swallow when he gets passionate about a post he's making, not that I've ever felt that way, but I've felt that vicariously through certain replies to his posts. And as a good friend of his, I can say I've only seen him psychotic once, and even that time probably wasn't true psychosis, because I watched him interact with straight normies perfectly fine the entire time, but given the opportunity to unload his thoughts on me, you know, someone who is more open to far out thoughts, he could have come across as a little out there, but that would have only been if a normie was listening and judging our conversation. He's no vortech.. Crook is right, it's just the drugs.. Just the drugs, in addition to an already out there fella with a good mind susceptible to the more left field ideas. And that's why I love him and would like to ask him to marry me since being gay is legal now.
 
I'd swallow that pill with a big smile on. Good shit. Too bad I haven't had the chance to try DCK yet.
 
Laika said:
Crashing may be a hard BL pill to swallow when he gets passionate about a post he's making, not that I've ever felt that way, but I've felt that vicariously through certain replies to his posts. And as a good friend of his, I can say I've only seen him psychotic once, and even that time probably wasn't true psychosis, because I watched him interact with straight normies perfectly fine the entire time, but given the opportunity to unload his thoughts on me, you know, someone who is more open to far out thoughts, he could have come across as a little out there, but that would have only been if a normie was listening and judging our conversation. He's no vortech.. Crook is right, it's just the drugs.. Just the drugs, in addition to an already out there fella with a good mind susceptible to the more left field ideas. And that's why I love him and would like to ask him to marry me since being gay is legal now.
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Best post ever, qft.
 
Crashing I feel you, I was able to follow advice from those voices integrating my experiences afterwards and sober, no schizofrenia or mania there. Disso entities from paralel planes are wiser than DMT ones, and lead me to fullfillment in life and beeing able to chose the wiser paths and decisions in life. Also, beeing a skeptical guy for all my life I'm starting to believe in spiritual shit nowadays after my disso + tryptamine combos
 
can you describe appearance of each batch or possible post pictures of current one? Also what dosages did you take for each. Thank you.
 
I just had one batch from China dirty cheap, from the deepest sites of the net. Appearence of this one batch is white, big shinny crystals very good looking, nice to snort once crushed down. Dosage is eyeballed usually since I started to stop weighting 50mg doses once I weighted about 20 lines of this shit. I didn't holed with it jet, thought, what is strange, since is the one I most hardcodly take on dosage from all my current stash, and I have got nearly all the dissociative spectrum available on the market on my fridge.

Maybe a batch thing? What doses are you guys taking for hole on this one and what your batches look like?

I'm a hardhead dissociative user with a high tolerance but I'm able to hole pretty easy with less than 30mg of 3-MeO-PCP or 2-OxO-PCE (sometimes a bit of psychedelic aid may be needed), but with 2-OxO-PCM, at least with the one I've got, I'm not able to do it even combining it with high doses of psychedelics. I didn't pushed it more than maybe 75mg oral or nasal doses. Maybe I need to try it on the 100-150mg range?
 
Not to be getting into vendor discussion or advertising, but that very reputable european vendor that brought O-PCE to the market will soon be getting O-PCM - Then we'll know which batches people have been getting was real O-PCM.
 
I have got all my drugs analyzed by Energy Control so I'm sure 100% that what I have is 2-OxO-PCM. Doesn't know anything about purity though, as they can't quantify new compounds :(

My 2-OxO-PCE, 3-MeO-PCP and ephenidine batches are what they should be as well, so you can trust on my reports.
 
mandomadness said:
can you describe appearance of each batch or possible post pictures of current one? Also what dosages did you take for each. Thank you.
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First batch felt like 'Ketamine XR' and had a clean DXM vibe. Big solid translucent off-yellowish half-shiny crystals.

Second batch was a very euphoric and spiritual dissociative, in the realm of very good MXE, 3-meo-pcp. Rocks, clumpy inconsistent solid chunks, snow white.

Third batch feels something like salvia mixed with huffing gasoline. Hard jagged rocks that seem to have smaller yellowish crystals cemented together with a fine white powder.
 
My latest theory is that there is a bizarre inconstant pulsing in the way that we are programmed to respond to the administration of these dissociatives. Maybe it's not a batch issue at all. Maybe I should getascaleMaybe Christmas he thought... Doesn't come from a store maybe Christmas, perhaps... Means a little bit more?
 
Even though I haven't tried deschloroketamine, I do not believe the batch variations come from 'inconstant pulsing + our programming'. It's almost surely due to dissociatives having 2 enantiomeric isomers that aren't separted during the synthesis.

...If separating isomers is even done during synthesis, that is.
I wouldn't know, I'm not a chemist.

But Crashing, have you been using dissociatives pretty heavily lately?
All of your posts that I've read of yours lately have sounded like pretty typical dissociative psychosis thoughts... Despite others disagreeing because of whatever the DSM-5 says. No offense if that's the case, I've been there. However, I'm curious why it is that a lot of people on BL tend to get bizarre metaphysical type thoughts & ways of thinking when heavy amounts of dissociatives have been used recently. I've never even seen psychedelics or stimulants produce such a consistent effect.
 
sean107 said:
...If separating isomers is even done during synthesis, that is.
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It's not something you do during the synthesis, it's something you do after the synthesis, it's an extra step. And while it might leave you with a subjectively better product, it's also going to be less profitable, because you threw half of your molecules away.

I personally doubt China is seperating isomers of O-PCM at this stage. Maybe they would, if there was a market specifically willing to pay extra for the s-isomer.

IMO the most straight forward explanation is, that it's just vendors getting rid of 'phenidines or other thrash dissociatives, like it happens a lot on the stimulant market.
 
sean107 said:
Even though I haven't tried deschloroketamine, I do not believe the batch variations come from 'inconstant pulsing + our programming'. It's almost surely due to dissociatives having 2 enantiomeric isomers that aren't separted during the synthesis.

...If separating isomers is even done during synthesis, that is.
I wouldn't know, I'm not a chemist.

But Crashing, have you been using dissociatives pretty heavily lately?
All of your posts that I've read of yours lately have sounded like pretty typical dissociative psychosis thoughts... Despite others disagreeing because of whatever the DSM-5 says. No offense if that's the case, I've been there. However, I'm curious why it is that a lot of people on BL tend to get bizarre metaphysical type thoughts & ways of thinking when heavy amounts of dissociatives have been used recently. I've never even seen psychedelics or stimulants produce such a consistent effect.
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The thing is the bad batch suddenly became a good batch, but it's not like with LSD where every trip is different. This is like tapping into a realm that is either active or inactive at a certain time..
 
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sean107 said:
Even though I haven't tried deschloroketamine, I do not believe the batch variations come from 'inconstant pulsing + our programming'. It's almost surely due to dissociatives having 2 enantiomeric isomers that aren't separted during the synthesis.

...If separating isomers is even done during synthesis, that is.
I wouldn't know, I'm not a chemist.

But Crashing, have you been using dissociatives pretty heavily lately?
All of your posts that I've read of yours lately have sounded like pretty typical dissociative psychosis thoughts... Despite others disagreeing because of whatever the DSM-5 says. No offense if that's the case, I've been there. However, I'm curious why it is that a lot of people on BL tend to get bizarre metaphysical type thoughts & ways of thinking when heavy amounts of dissociatives have been used recently. I've never even seen psychedelics or stimulants produce such a consistent effect.
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I'd take a stab in saying because we're all metaphysical beings in the first place that as a majority still haven't become self-aware of that fact. You're free to believe whatever you'd like though, free will is one of the most important aspects of reality ;)
 
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