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Ethnobotanicals The Big & Dandy Datura Thread

I was going to protest against the very idea of playing around with your life and sanity on a poison, but then I remembered that you all have access to all the relevant information. From here on it's up to ol' Charles.

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Morrison's Lament, you're a sweetheart to make such a remark ~:D
but i'm an evolutionary biologist myself and well aware of the potential reprecussions, though the esteemed Mr. Darwin would likely not approve... but he has never claimed to be an arbiter to my knowledge.

having never incinerated lard or flesh, i have no idea of the composition of the remains and that is my reason for asking. anyone?
 
before i'd smoked salvia, datura was the 'most powerful' drug i was aware of. i ate a bunch of seeds and was stupified into a very severe confusion like what you feel on benadryl or ambien. on top of the confusion there was a physical pain all over and feelings of dread. memory holes and nonsense are what i took away from that night. i recall the comeon feeling like my bones were on fire under my skin, which felt dry and ichy. the two people who saw me said i was hardly human and that they'd never seen anyone that twisted. i broke a door, some mugs and a coffee pot, a toilet, and took off naked at one point and had no idea what i was doing during any of that. my vision was totally ruined for about 10 hours thereafter. i don't really understand how it could ever be pleasant. that salve idea sounds interesting but i can attest to the hellishness of an oral dosse of seeds.
 
^so you're saying salvia is MORE crazy?

yea, at least salvia isn't dangerous to you...salvia is pretty hardcore tho...well, i like it :)

i haven't done datura/belladonna...am thinking about it sometime, but i dunno...doesn't seem very good for you...
 
I've always wondered how datura+mdma would be or perhaps datura+lsd. other then the insane risk of dying over dehydration before that set in I wonder how the datura+mdma would feel. would it be pleasent and would the hallucinations you have be good?
 
maybe it would worth trying (as smoking is really safe).
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It's not that smoking is safe per se, it's more to do with the fact that smoking produces an almost instant effect, so it's much easier to titrate your dose. If you were to smoke a concentrated extract, or the pure alkaloids, you could still do yourself a lot of damage
 
Heres some information on Belladonna

Belladonna Atropa belladonna "Deadly Nightshade"

All parts of plant contain alkaloids, mainly 1-hyoscyamin, minor scopolamine (=hyoscine)

Extraction from plant involves alkali (NaOH, KOH or ammonia water)
--produces "racemization" from pure 1-hoscyamine to 50% 1-hyoscyamine 50% d-hyoscyamine to yield d,1-hyoscyamine = atropine (still active, anticholinergic)

Symptoms of eating plant parts same as atropine (hyoscyamine)
--Enlarged Pupils - Blurred vision
--PNS: Drying up of all secretions: sweat, tears, salivation, extreme thirst
--CNS: Hallucination, stupor, loss of conciousness, death

Alkaloids highest in fruit, seed (.8% total alkaloids), root (.6% )
 
An interesting side note:
Datura seeds were used as a part of medicinal smoking mixtures by native Americans. This is because they act as bronchodilators. I don't know of any North American people outside of Mexico who used datura as an inebriant, though.
 
Datura stramonium is one I've had before. We did have to use a bit more of it than we would like to have to get any effects. A bit of a drunken feeling, some delirious thoughts, but we had a trip sitter who said we never got that bad off, and I remember all of the experience. We are all pretty experienced in using psychedelics, and indeed this is a different type of drug all together. Deliriants are very dangerous if you don't use caution for one. For two, some of the toxins build up in your body. I'm a shaman though, and did find that in a dream state I got the full effect. My dreams where VERY lucid and fully interactive. I could manifest things easier than if I were just dreaming without it. Usually when I go lucid, I have to put forth a good amount of effort in order to cause the change I want. With Datura this was not the case. We used stramonium because it was what we had access to. I wouldn't repeat the experience, as I got nothing. But then again, the plants didn't turn out incredibly well that year. Is the care of the plant reflected in the amount of actives found in it? Or is it just random?
 
bfisher said:
i was thinking about trying datura, but after making a post just liek yours on BL, and readng what every1 has experienced(trip reports and such), im never even gonna go near the stuf.


only beneficial way of doing datura that i can see, would be if u wanted to get yourself thrown into a mental home.
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Same here.:\ 8(
 
In regards to smoking datura, or ingesting of it in general..well, let's talk smoking. The alkaloids stay in your body for a few days i believe. Don't remember the exact amount. Let's say you had a fat session every day, just enough to get you buzzed and in a slightly different mental state. I've heard of people doing this...everything being all hunky dory, then like a week or 2 later they trip the fuck out, because all the alkaloids that have built up have reached a limit to where it makes them trip the fuck out..the even scarier part is that it comes out of nowhere. It's not like they ate a shit load of seeds and brewed a bunch of leaves in a tea to fucking lose yourself...it just happens all the sudden...
Now that's some scary shit.

Be careful guys.

MDMA with Datura? lmao.
sorry, (actually I'm not sorry at all) but LMFAO.
 
I did some hyoscamine in 1987 that was ordere from a chemical supply house. I did not have a scale, and took what I could only imagine was 5 milligrams or so........I really took alot less than other people I knew, most of whom had to be baby sat for 24-48 hours.
the night I took it I only had a minor amount of dry mouth, and no delirous effects....I did see some amazing closed eye visuals of various impossible shapes forming from a grid of green glowings lines...this went on all night, it was a conjundtion of imagination with control of form and sometimes just veiwing the shapes produce themselves...I finally drifted off to sleep. I felt a very pleasant drifting relaxing newness in both my physical being and emotional reactions. I hung out with freinds all day and had a great time, I could only relate it to a slightly stimulating valium and cocaine type combo with a definite synergy with cannabis.
I may have spelt the chemical same wrong....

I did not take anymore of this powder I had been given by an early pure compound using psychonaught.
I am interested in hearing about other isolated tropine experiences , and how different ones compare in low doses, that perhaps border on the medicinal horizon.......

I met a funny guy while in berkeley. He asked me what I was doing in town, I explained that I was checking out the mindstates 4 event....I then explained that I like opiates and was studying and researching different bioactive compounds.
He then pulled out a tincture for belladonna that his physician had mafde for him. He loved the stuff, and said he used it for psychosis.. He was definiteley a unique character.
I have known a few people that used to used merrazine brand medicine to trip with. many were sorta messed up by their experiences....some ended up in jail, or the hospital. I think if people are going to risk tropane inebriation they should shoot for microgram increments in a tinture form.
 
dont waste all your time with the plants, just strap on a few scopolamine patches and your ready to go with the least amount of side effects, but fuck delierients i have seen what they have done to my friends during and up to now they are not the same, your just not supposed to see shit that doesnt exsist period
 
hello,i am keen lsd tripper,but i have recently come across datura,and havnt yet to ingest it because i hear its the ultimate trip? as in really fucked up shit happens lol.:):\
 
as this is a harm reduction site do not take it, it is not a smart thing to do. Also if you use the search function you will most likely find other threads concerning the same thing with similar answers.
 
That shit grows wild here and nobody eats it. It's effects are to varied to be enjoyed, delirents on a whole blow(I've eaten it once). Also just cause crazy shit happens doesn't mean it's a good trip, if you can get standard psychs stick with them, there is a reason this drug has a bad name.
 
http://www.erowid.org/plants/datura/datura.shtml

Warning: Datura use has been linked to many deaths, especially at higher dosages. Even very small amounts of plant material can produce extremely strong, unpleasant, and dangerous effects - Erowid section on Health in datura section

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/subs/exp_Datura.shtml


Short piece on datura trip

It took me about four days to get back to 'normal'. I had to use a cane to walk for about a week after, as my body had been smashed like I had been in a motorcycle accident. Evidently I had fallen repeatedly during my blackout phase. I pieced together what had happened to me with the help of people who had been at the party. Seems that I had jumped up out of the apartment, took off all of my clothes, and spent the rest of the evening jumping in and out of the pool (accounting for all of the abrasions & lacerations suffered from banging into concrete repeatedly) What got the cops called was that I started to go up to people's apartments (stark naked, of course) and saying, 'I am the TERMINATOR,' then laughing gleefully and running away. So I didn't do anything too bad. The worst thing that came out of the entire ordeal was that E's boyfriend got kicked out of his apartment because of my behavior. Turns out the guy who had been with the cops when I came to was the apartment manager, and that my arrest was enough to get E's boyfriend & roomates kicked out. Pretty weak reasoning, but shit happens, I guess. Surprisingly, the boyfriend & roomates weren't really mad at me, saying 'It could have happened to any one of us, dude.' I was decent and helped them move their shit out, while I did this, I had all of these people who lived in the complex make comments like, 'Fucked up, weren't ya?' and 'nice ass' and shit like that. Hey, I would have laughed at me too!


This aint no fear & loathing in as vegas, I would never tell anyone not to take a certian drug, but datura aint called devil's weed for no reason!
 
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