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Ethnobotanicals The Big & Dandy Datura Thread

The safest and most enjoyable way to take Datura is to smoke little pieces of the dried flower. Mix a little bit with some MJ and it will add some minor psychedelic effects and not make you delirious. This way you can slowly adjust your dosage to a comfortable level. In my opinion this is the only viable way to take Datura.
 
I know datura is extreme stuff when you take alot, and it can be difficult to gauge what "alot" is. However, i was really only talking about taking miniscule doses. I like to take like half a leaf and just chew on it for for a while.

It's actually pretty easy stuff if you aim low. Instead of trying for delerium, i would encourage anyone who decides to take the stuff to only take the smallest amount possible.

That way you can really enjoy the subtleties like vivid color enhancement and stimulation of dreaming. And you can avoid the nastier side effects of insanity and bad physical effects (aside from cotton mouth which is unavoidable with this drug).


-Maitland
 
As I was working my doses up to find which quantity would start to have hallucinogenic effect in me, I found small oral doses of datura (seeds) to be very very very unpleasant : with small quantities I had no hallucinations (no high, no oforia, nothing) but I had all the negative effects for 6 hours: comletely dry mouth, inability to piss, blurred vision and confusion. Really bad.
If you want to get some slight high from datura without getting into delirium and negative side effects, then the only way to go would be to smoke crushed flowers or leaves (but I found it poorly efficient).
 
yeah, i've eaten a bunch of seeds before too in high and low doses. I like the leaves way better than the seeds for oral use.
 
read better what I said...

Oral use is the most dangerous way to use datura, to get hallucinations the best way to go is absorption through the skin (make an ointment) as it is much less toxic this way...
Smoking it is a lot safer than both oral and transdermal use (almost not dangerous), BUT from personal experience it doesn't produce any hallucinations (at most it will give you some high/weird feeling if your leaves/flowers are potent enough).
Smoking it should produce no delirium, no hallucinations and no negative side effects (no dry mouth, no blurred vision, no inability to piss and such)...just a slight high.
 
My buddy grows it for it's asthetic properties, those big flowers are so beautiful! I wouldn't touch it with a 20 ft poll as far as tripping goes. None of my friends would either.
 
Well, you might be disapointed as I never got any effects from smoking it, but some people keep saying they get effect from smoking it so...maybe it would worth trying (as smoking is really safe).
 
Just dry some flowers. Add little pieces in with some MJ and roll a spliff. Smoke it and see how you feel. If your flowers are somewhat potent you won't need much to get noticeable effects. Much better then ending up in the hospital.
 
I have tried datura a few times but all it did was give me really bad dry mouth and made me piss a lot. I got very little if any mind effects or visuals. I may try again some day but not any time soon. I have tried using small amounts to see how it would effect my dreams. It may have made my dreams more vivid but I am not sure. I have vivid dreams pretty often so it may have not been the datura.
 
Akoto, use a normal amount of marijuana. Dry your flower. It should be fairly long, I'm not sure of the exact species I was using. Only a very little was necessary, maybe an 1/8th or so of the flower. Break it up and spread out evenly in the joint and roll as usual. Depending on the potency of the flower you may need to increase your dosage until you find a comfortable range. The flowers I used only needed small amounts to achieve effects that I was comfortable with.

Do not expect to be blown away with visuals or to trip at all. Do expect to get higher then normal, have some minor visual stuff out of the corner of your eyes, and have a very dry mouth. Start small and see how you feel. You can always increase your dosage once you establish how potent your flowers are.

I experimented with this for a week and found it interesting, just don't expect too much. Any higher dose, I imagine, would begin to get uncomfortable.
 
I did check the smoking method again, here are the results...

2 years ago during the summer I found a sunny field covered of mature Datura strammonium plants.
There were both "purple stem" and "green stem" datura strammonium strain on this field. I collected flowers, dried them and stored them (dried flowers are 5-6 cm long)

This morning I decided to smoke some. I finely crushed almost 1g of these, added some tobacco to it, and smoked it as a (big) joint. Each toke was kept in the lungs for 5-10 seconds. The taste was OK.
I found it to produce a mild high. The effect lasted for 30min to 1h (more like 40min).
I was feeling light headed and slightly anaesthesied/relaxed.
There was a short slight headache after 30 min.
The high somewhat reminded me of when you're laying on some beach with the sun on your face so you feel light headed and sleepy at the same time.
But there was no "stoning" as with marijuana... and no hallucinations/visuals like with oral/transdermal datura use.
No pupils dilatation, I experienced slightly increased heart beat & blood pressure (but less intense than when smoking lots of marijuana), slightly dry mouth (much less than after smoking some marijuana).
The good point was that smoking datura would not produce any unpleasant side effects such as the dry mouth/inability to piss/blurred vision you get when using it orally.
 
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Thanks for your exhaustive posts genaro - very useful. I've taken datura twice, orally both times, using 25 and then 60 seeds of datura stramonium. I had no trip at all in either case, just felt very ill. Now I guess I know why!

Quick question - when preparing the ointment what's the best way to do the filtering bit - are normal filter papers as you use for ground coffee OK?
 
Would it be benificial in any way to inject scopolamine? I have these Scopoderm patches that contain 1 mg, but I have no idea on how to purify the gel or extract it from the patch. I've tried eating them before mostly to potentiate opiates, but only got minor effects.
 
when preparing the ointment what's the best way to do the filtering bit
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Use some fine piece of cloth (press well to recover all the fatty mixture from the plant material)...filter paper won't work for fat substances.

Would it be benificial in any way to inject scopolamine
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I higly recommend you never attempt it: scopolamine is a deadly poison (same for atropine) and it can kill you if ingested in mg doses so injecting it would be really suicidal !!!

Lethal doses:
atropine= over 10mg
scopolamine = over 2-4 mg !!!


But as it's a gel for transdermal use, then I guess you could use the gel from the patches just like the ointment...


Also note I edited my post about smoking datura, adding some more details.
 
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vegetarian alternative for organic soot?

Hello all, this is a first post in years so please pardon me for reviving an older thread.

I've been experimenting with Datura strammonium for the past year. In the maximum dosages/sitting, I have ingested up to 60 seeds and also smoked up to what I would approximate as 1.5g of dried pod cases. Neither of these have offered any extreme effects, mostly minor changes to my thought patterns, altered perceptions and various aching feelings.

The most visually active experience I've had was with sharing two joints of the pods and mj and consuming 30ish seeds with alcohol. Even this experience was fairly minor, with the company at the time becoming 2 dimensional (moreso in perspective than personality) and this annoying yellow rectangle that tinted the center of my field of vision for an hour.

It is possible that the variety that I have is fairly weak. It was grown in full-sun, good soil structure and nutrition in a Boreal Plains Ecozone (semi dry, moderate length growing season).

I've come to believe that ingesting the seeds can give somewhat cumulative effects. I was consuming an average of 15 seeds a day while I read Castaneda's "Journey to Ixtlan" over a period of about a week and my thoughts, perceptions and mind state were certainly quite different from baseline near the end... but that could be the mystical abilities of Castaneda's words ~;)

Anyways, now to the purpose of this post:

I would like to try the ointment recipe in order to increase the potency of the dosages that I have been consuming without having to get the shitty after effects that I have had with higher dosages of seeds orally (which I am assuming is coming from the atropine and other nasties).

My spiritual beliefs require me to abstain from consuming meat prior to major psychadelic experiences in order to improve the result. I respect the power and danger of Datura use and have no intention of letting myself weaken in the face of "the green temptress" (this name coming from a trip report on erowid if i remember correctly).

I was wondering if there was any alternative to using organic soot? I assume that vegetarian shortening a/o oil can be used to substitute the lard (or perhaps even something wonderfully soothing like a burt's bees product) but I do not know what would be a suitable substitute for the soot. Would a certain type of ash be sufficient?

Essentially, what is in the organic soot that is required? toasted proteins, a caustic residue, some minerals, broken down fats? any educated guess/conjecture would be appreciated. Thanx so much
 
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