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Phenethylamines The Big & Dandy Bromo-Dragonfly/DOB-Dragonfly Thread

^ yeah damn right $250 worth of drugs has no business dripping in the nook of my fridge! :D ;) it was sealed but it fell over then somehow the seal got loose... oh well, shit happens, its been cleaned up... and yeah, i remember those reports, however they were always second hand. with this drug its always 'a friend of a friend' or 'someone i know'. so far, only me, crook and yaestrom have reported anything and nothing has been favourable. i allegedly had the r isomer which is supposedly active at 0.4mg, I had 3 times that amount, and, for me, nothing happened but keeping me awake and with a headache. i wish i had the same non interest as you Jamsyhd :)
 
I have to say it has a HUGE bodyload at doses above 100mcg, accompanied by wild hallucinations and severe delusion.

However, it is wonderful at the 25-100mcg range. This isn't the one to be a hero with, trust me I been there and you pay a really huge fucking price for it. At smaller doses it is terrific though
 
^ I'd totally disagree with you. How did you ingest it?

My experience with 250mics sublingually was very pleasent, certainly none of the things you describe.

Most of the reports I've read would suggest you are unusually sensitive to Br-DFLY.
 
I think Shulgin reported activity IV at 200-400 mcgs. I just won't go there. :) His wife, Ann, says the sex is wonderful, though. *shruggles*
 
I may be really sensitive to it, or the blotters I got may be really really potent, because no one I know could handle more than three of em. They were the radiant heart design that some people call "love parade"

There is one report on erowid that matches my experiences v well, Trans psyche railroads aren't short I feel like some sort of deep connection with this dude.
 
Ray K. Hessel said:
I may be really sensitive to it, or the blotters I got may be really really potent, because no one I know could handle more than three of em. They were the radiant heart design that some people call "love parade"

There is one report on erowid that matches my experiences v well, Trans psyche railroads aren't short I feel like some sort of deep connection with this dude.
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Ah right, blotters. So how exactly do you know what was on the blotters and how much of whatever it was? Where do you get the 25-100mic figure from since you just said maybe the blotters were "really really potent"?

Since every other "serious" report on Br-DFLY I've read shows very variable responses, but certainly not that active, I'm inclinded to believe you didn't have Br-DFLY, or certainly not the amount you think you did.

If Shulgin says the activity is 200-450mcg, then I'm inclinded to believe him rather than someone who got some untested blotter. :\
 
The prescence of bromo-dragonfly on blotters, despite being rumored for months now, has yet to be proven. None has ever been tested and posted. As far as I can tell, the rumor started on the shroomery, and has just taken off among "common wisdom" with nothing to back it up by way of proof. If the "heart" blotters all have the same substance on them, it only makes sense that there will be some agreement about their effects. People seem to be using other "blottor bromo" reports to compare to their own, rather than the scanty data out there from people using known, pure materials, which indicates very low oral activity at doses up to 1mg.

Of course, one possible exception is the plain white blotter that clown in Sweden was selling, more reasonably assumed to be bromo-dragonfly as it ws advertised as such. User reports on those, too, indicated very little activity.

I'll be happy to eat my words if someone produces an analysis of the "heart" blotters, but I don't believe they're bromo-dragonfly.
 
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The only lab tested blotter posted on bluelight was DOB. So I guess you could call it "bromo" blotter, if you wanted to confuse the matter further.

Here: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=214014&highlight=bromo+dragonfly

This whole bromo-dragonfly on blotter rumour is just that, a lot of rumour, just like djfriendly says. Since Br-DFLY is difficult and expensive to make, I would highly doubt that it has made it onto blotter in the US. Much more likely that people had some of the DOB (or possibly DOI) blotter that was floating around at the same time that the reports of "I had some blotter that wasn't acid OMG it must be bromo-dragonfly" started appearing.

Course, if you have link to some lab tested Br-DFLY blotter that would change the situation completely. But unless you do, stop spreading groundless rumours.
 
I'd like to make a plea to start calling this material DOB-dragonfly, as calling it "bromo-dragonfly" begs the question of whether one is discussing the dragonfly version of DOB or that of 2C-B. Although 2C-B-dragonfly has not yet shown up on the market, the term still leaves confusion. The suffixes "fly" and "dragonfly" do not denote whether or not the compound is alpha-methylated.
 
18 year old boy dies from homemade bromo-dragonfly

Ok so I just found this article in a norwegian newspaper.

It says a boy who they previously though died from GHB in an institution instead died from bromo-dragonfly, a hallucinogen similar to amphetamines and LSD. It was apparently also homemade. His two other friends also tried it, but they were fine.. And the guy who they think gave it to them is being charged with murder.

I don't know much about this bromo-dragonfly, so do you think this is accurate?
 
fjern said:
Ok so I just found this article in a norwegian newspaper.

It says a boy who they previously though died from GHB in an institution instead died from bromo-dragonfly, a hallucinogen similar to amphetamines and LSD. It was apparently also homemade. His two other friends also tried it, but they were fine.. And the guy who they think gave it to them is being charged with murder.

I don't know much about this bromo-dragonfly, so do you think this is accurate?
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are there post mortems and coroners reports in norway? I think a death due to something this unusual would be noted somewhere. then again who knows what the stuff that as been offered as bromodragonfly by certain scandinavian vendors is.

I have heard from 2 sources that the UK Forensic science service has recently come across 2-cb fly.

anyone got any more on this story, there is no doubt that bromodragonfly can kill by the same mechnism as DOB in overdose. the greater potency of the dragonfly probably means that the lethal dose is proportionally lower, (depending on the theraputic index)

would really like to see more on this story.

another question is dragonfly the aromatic version ie benzodifuran rather than terahydrobenzodifuran?
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I am not familiar with the d-fly chemistry but I'm under the impression that they are not exactly easy to cook up in your kitchen?

F&B empty your pm box ;).
 
I never got any bromo-dfly because equally experianced people told me not to waste my time... Was expensive compared to other novel compounds as well. Long live RC's ;p
 
Here's my try at a fairly accurate translation:

The 18 year old male who died after taking drugs in an institution in Trysil ealier this winter died of a homemade drug similar to LSD and amphetamine.

The police are thus wrong in their original assumption that the 18 year old died after using the dangerous drug GHB, writes Hamar Arbeiderblad.

The 18 year old died Saturday the 3rd of February after ingesting a drug at the institution where he lived. According to the police investigation the man ingested a chemical substance called «Dragonfly» (Bromo-benzodifuranyl-isopropylamin), a hallucinogen which affects the central nervous system, the paper writes.

Two other young people ingested the drug but none of them suffered any serious damage.

A friend of the 18 year old whom the police suspects provided him with the drug is charged with manslaughter.
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Den 18 år gamle gutten som døde etter å ha ruset seg på en barnevernsinstitusjon på Trysil tidligere i vinter, døde av et hjemmelaget stoff som minner om LSD og amfetamin.

Dermed stemmer ikke politiets antakelser om at 18-åringen døde etter bruk av det farlige stoffet GHB , skriver Hamar Arbeiderblad.

18-åringen døde lørdag 3. februar etter å ha ruset seg på ungdomsinstitusjonen der han bodde. Gutten skal ifølge politiets etterforskning ha brukt et kjemisk stoff som kalles «Dragonfly» (Bromo-benzodifuranyl-isopropylamin) et hallusinogen som påvirker sentralnervesystemet, skriver avisen.

To andre ungdommer ruset seg også på stoffet, men ingen av dem fikk alvorlige skader.

En kamerat av 18-åringen som politiet mener ga ham stoffet, er siktet for uaktsomt drap.
 
Thanks for the translation, Redeemer.

This story still sounds a little fishy. First of all the mention of homemade obviously seems a little absurd. Secondly, how did the cause of death change from GHB to Br-dfly? I think the two would be very hard to confuse. Maybe it was a combination ... there's really not enough evidence to draw any useful conclusions from this report.
 
Damn Norwegians and there lacking of evidence to draw useful conclusions.

What kind of instsitution was he attending?
 
I think Norwegian articles on illegal drugs follow the same unwritten rules as drug stories from all other countries do in that it is allowed add words such as 'homemade' and 'dangerous' to pep up the article in exchange for jounalistic accuracy.
 
The Teeny and Weeny Bromo-Dragonfly Thread

I've noticed there is no Big and Dandy thread on Bromo-Dragonfly that I could find, and there are no experiences (that I could find) on Bluelight, so I figured I'd start one (if one already exists, delete this post and PM me). It's a phenylethylamine and its full chemical name is Bromo-benzodifuranyl-isopropylamine. It is active at 100-800 micrograms according to Erowid, although it says there is a "euro batch" and a "2006" batch and the doses are completely different (Erowid's Bromo-Dragonfly Dosage Page).

Erowid Bromo-Dragonfly Vault
Wikipedia Bromo-Dragonfly Information

SWIM recently found that it is going around. SWIM will definitely need to use liquid measurement to dose this one, right? SWIM's thinking that liquid measurement would be easiest. By making it a 50-100mcg of ABDF per 1ml of solution and dosing that way I think would be the best way (correct me if I'm wrong). Dissolving 10mg into 1000ml of 80% water/20% ethanol would make a solution of 100mcg/ml, correct? If there is a better solution to store it in where it will degrade slower, please tell me. Also, will I need to keep this particular RC airtight/light-proof in the freezer? How stable is this chemical and how fast does it degrade?

Anyone have any experience with this chemical (also known as ABDF or DOB-Dragonfly)? What are its effects like (I know it lasts 10-24 hours)? What other psychedelic would its effects be most similar to? Is it stimulating?

Lets get this thread moving and to expand, and a mod/admin will probably add it to the Big And Dandy archive. Get some intelligent discussion going.
 
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