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The Big & Dandy bk-MDMA (Methylone) Thread

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Don't snort it. Average dose is around 150-250mg orally which is the best way of dosing it, in my experience. Plugging is good too. Not a fan of it (great for 30-60 minutes of feeling amazing then hours and hours of fiending and the comedown from hell :|) but some love the stuff and maybe you're one of them :)

Merging with the main M1 thread.
 
any major dude said:
Also, most of what I've read seems to have some conflicting reports, even within the same user and same report; that is the lasting stimulation, but relatively little desire to do anything (at least physically) with that energy... could someone elaborate? The dosage also seems to vary rather wildly... is the large "attack" dose and booster dosing (as recommended on erowid) later actually a good strategy, or will this just lead to using too much product and unpleasant vasoconstrictive effects?

I'm probably going to try this soon and after the low dose safety tests, i'm guessing the therapeutic range to be ~100-160mg? How nasty is insufflation?
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When I first tried methylone, it had been a very long time since my previous brief occasional experiences with entactogens in the form of MDMA. I also had no history of stimulant use (er... aside from a caffeine and nicotine habit). I found c. 150 mg oral to produce a mild but pleasant effect, and somewhere between 180 and 220 mg oral to provide more full-on effects. Towards the top of that range there was more likelihood of persistent stimulation after the brief (c. 30 minutes) more entactogenic phase. At that time, I considered the persistent stimulation an annoyance, and I would have assured anyone that there was no point taking any methylone after the initial dose, because I found it would just extend the stimulation without rekindling the loveliness of the entactogenic phase.

In recent times, using both methylone and mephedrone, I have come to enjoy the stimulation that both of these substances produce. I'm not at all sure that is a good thing to have learnt to enjoy. My new pattern of usage (learnt with mephedrone; transferring somewhat to methylone, now that I've sworn to avoid mephedrone due to its worrying effects on heart on the following day) is more like a 250 mg oral attack dose, followed by insufflation at a rate of between 50 and 100 mg an hour.

I guess it depends what you're after. If you're interested in entactogenesis, I'd suggest taking an oral dose of between 160 and 220 mg and not touching any more for a couple of weeks. I guess that sort of dose, at the lower end, offers pretty much just the entactogenic phase, but at the higher end might leave residual and uninteresting stimulation after itself. If you're more interested in the stimulation itself, you could take the other (presumably rather less healthy) route of taking a higher initial oral dose and boosting with insufflation (or just repeated oral administrations) to keep the stimulation at an enjoyable level.

ETA: Re: how 'nasty' insufflation of methylone is... it's fine, in my experience. The drip's not too nasty tasting, nor does it make my nose or throat feel sore. Well, a little pain, maybe. :) But not sore and inflamed, like my current batch of 2C-C does. :( (A previous batch of 2C-C was absolutely fine...)
 
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does methylone vary a lot like mephedrone does? does it have any discerning features? i've had mephedrone that's been sweet smelling, sour chemical smelling etc. do you get powder and crystal forms of methylone?
 
yes different batches of methylone can vary in appearance, smell, texture depending on the synthesis route used, any unwashed chemicals left over etc.

im not sure if it comes in xstal and powder though. Ive only seen powder.
 
The batch I have now is very fine sparkly crystals.
Before it has always been a powder ranging in colour from yellow/brownish to clear white.
 
I dont know what to tell you. Its impossible to know exactly what it is through an internet forum.

Only way to know for sure it to get it tested.

Maybe ask you supplier if he may have sent the wrong stuff, or do some experiemtns and see if it fits the profile of m1.

thats about the best advice i can give.
 
Does anyone know whether methylone has any anaesthetic properties, and - if so - whether they would be noticed with oral administration? I ask because most of the time I insufflate anything, I have usually had some methylone (or, at times, mephedrone) prior to insufflation; and I usually find I experience little or no pain or discomfort (including when I've had only oral methylone prior to insufflation). Today, I have insufflated 2C-T-2 without prior administration of methylone, and with subsequent fairly fiery pain in the nostril; on several previous occasions I experienced literally no discomfort from insufflating the same or larger quantity of the same substance (from the same batch) while under the influence of methylone. I'd find it hard to believe that methylone's mood-enhancing properties alone can account for this (i.e. that I was still in pain but somehow didn't care). The difference in experience is so striking.
 
Anyone combined Methylone with 2C-D around 2.5hrs after dose?

...I'm really hoping it significantly extends the duration like it does with MDMA.
 
Is Methylone primarily a serotonin releaser, like MDMA and MDAI, subject to the same recommendation for waiting long periods of time between uses?

This thread in ADD ( http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=474089 ) seems to suggest that methylone acts as a reuptake inhibitor, which makes it less fun, but also not presenting the same issue with depleting serotonin as MDMA.

I rather like this drug, and certainly am hoping it's not as sensitive to frequency of use as MDMA is.
 
Stormin' Norman said:
Methylone releases about 1/3 the quantity of serotonin and also has less serotonin reuptake inhibition vis-à-vis MDMA.
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what I still don't get: the dopamine release should be about the same as those of MDMA, so methylone should show much more dopaminergic activity than serotoninergic activity. but wouldn't that make it much more of a stimulant, while most trip reports say that it is more relaxed than MDMA?
 
Stormin' Norman said:
Methylone releases about 1/3 the quantity of serotonin and also has less serotonin reuptake inhibition vis-à-vis MDMA.

As Methylone releases less serotonin, I assumed there is less serotonin depletion. Considering that Methylone releases less serotonin in the first place, I image that frequent use will diminish the effects.
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don't forget that doses of methylone are usually higher than with mdma, so you make up for some of the missing serotonin release by using a higher dose.
 
TheAzo said:
Is Methylone primarily a serotonin releaser, like MDMA and MDAI, subject to the same recommendation for waiting long periods of time between uses?

This thread in ADD ( http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=474089 ) seems to suggest that methylone acts as a reuptake inhibitor, which makes it less fun, but also not presenting the same issue with depleting serotonin as MDMA.

I rather like this drug, and certainly am hoping it's not as sensitive to frequency of use as MDMA is.
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I find that repeated use (less than one or two weeks between uses) turns it from a lovey gorgeous entactogen into a straight stimulant. I even found it effective as a study-aid after several days excessive use; not something I'd have said of it when it was working 'properly'; i.e. in a MDMA-like way.
 
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I find that repeated use (less than one or two weeks between uses) turns it from a lovey gorgeous entactogen into a straight stimulant. I even found it effective as a study-aid after several days excessive use; not something I'd have said of it when it was working 'properly'; i.e. in a MDMA-like way.
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Interesting.

So tolerance to serotonergic effects (or serotonin depletion) occurs rapidly compared to tolerance to stimulant effects.


Too bad, sounds like i'll have to go easy on it.

It's fun stuff, i like it.

Is there an effect analogous to "losing the magic" with MDMA with methylone, or is it a more-or-less short-term effect? I gather that "losing the magic" results from the neurotoxicity, which is not present (or not present to the same degree with methylone), so with methylone, i'd expect mostly short-term (weeks time scale) tolerance, rather than a permenent loss of good effects?
 
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TheAzo said:
I gather that "losing the magic" results from the neurotoxicity
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no one knows (i doubt it). we do not even know if neurotoxicity does occur in humans in non-excessive doses.
which is not present (or not present to the same degree with methylone), so with methylone, i'd expect mostly short-term (weeks time scale) tolerance, rather than a permenent loss of good effects?
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again we don't really know. if there is neurotoxicity with normal use with mdma then i'd expect methylone to behave similarly.
the only compounds that lack neurotoxicity in lab animals in large doses, where it does occur with mdma are pure serotonin releaser (/reuptake inhibitors) like mdai.

but regarding loss of magic i've heard that the magic with methylone comes back after a break of a few months while it doesn't come back with mdma. but that's only anectotic reports.
 
Stormin' Norman said:
That's right. To me Methylone does feel like more of a "straight" stimulant than MDMA and it does feel more relaxed in the sense the feeling is less emotionally intense.

Methylone doesn't give the dreamy, "monged" or "smacky" feeling of MDMA, but a relaxed, pleasant, clear headedness. It's feeling of being "cool" rather than "loved up".
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but most people claim the exact opposite! :?
 
Right now I'm the tail-end of my first trial with this substance (175mg respectively) and I am very impressed to say the least.

Very clear headed, clean stimulation. No jitters, jaw clenching, or other unpleasant side effects as of yet. I think we're gonna be good friends for a long time :D
 
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