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The Big & Dandy bk-MDMA (Methylone) Thread

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phatass said:
surely they can be both... MDMA is a psychadelic and a stim IMO
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of course entactogens have also stimulating properties, that's why I wrote "not just an stimulant". 5HT2A psychedelics are somewhat stimulating as well, for example, but no one would ever call them stimulants, as they do much more to the mind than just stimulation. on the other hand, dissociatives are more or less sedating, but have a much more complex action profile, so just calling them downers would not do them justice.
 
Has anyone else suffered vasoconstriction as a result of methylone? This happened to me, similar to what some are describing as a result of mephedrone, although mainly around my elbows rather than knees. This was after repeated redosing over a good while, >1 gram total (what can I say, I have poor impulse control).
 
hotzenplotz said:
has anyone found any supplements that work to prolong or potentiate methylone so less material is needed. Methylone is very shortlived.
I´m talking about nootropics or maybe ginko , coz that´s eaysier to aquire, without having to order from an online shop.
Maybe a bit of coffein cannot hurt, or what about piopiperin, pepper extract, anyone tried that?
Other ideas, maybe? Now that idea has been discussed before, but maybe someone has found out a wonder potentiator.
Taking anti occidants antioxidants is no bad idea at all, but it doesn´t do anything im terms of potentiation or lenghts. I know plugging is an option, but that is even shorter, than oral administration
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Sorry if this is an old post, but naringenin, a citrus bioflavonoid, is known to potentiate pretty much every orally administered active ingredient known to man. Dihydroxybergamottin may also do something similar. Equally importantly, the universal antioxidant r-Alpha Lipoic Acid does prevent MDMA-mediated oxidative damage on dopamine neurons.
 
So what is the expected toxicity for methylone? I still haven't figured this out. There probably is no research to support anything but is there perhaps some general things that could be said about the whole group of substituted cathinones and methcathinones?

Enough people are warning for mephedrone, as do I because I don't trust it one but... But apart from the worrisome acute side effects on the cardiovascular system how likely is it that methylone is every bit as toxic as mephedrone to 1) nerves 2) liver and 3) kidneys???

What do you think? Is the mild effect profile, mild side effect profile and mild comedown in general of methylone is any sign that it's not that bad?
 
^It doesn't turn my heart into anything close to the house of cards it becomes on mephedrone.
 
Have heard nobody mention anything specifically horrific about M1 and I presume the chemistry bods over in ADD have picked over the structure the same as they did with meph. Not heard anything anywhere suggesting any particular toxicity associated with it anywhere in fact. I'm pretty sure F&B recommends it over meph as being a safer option (sure he'll correct me if I've misunderstood or misrepresented him).

It is utterly vile stuff that feels like pure poison though. To me anyway. Ick. I'd pick meph over it anytime and I'm no big fan of meph either :\
 
I remember on *a vendor's forum* forum, someone get same horror story on methylone that the one we can see today on meph. Blue legs and knees and strange cardiac reaction. It was with normal dose without redosing.

So methylone could have same toxicity as meph, just at a different degre. Don't forget more people abuse from meph than methylone.
 
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I don't think so. I've never felt any such effects from methylone, and trust me, i've done my share - counting probably more than 75 times.

It's a great drug, but it's not MDMA. Nor meth. It is, like many others, a unique experience, milder than MDMA, but still with a lot to go on in my opinion. It also seems less toxic to the body.

Always take it orally. Snorting, pluggin etc. doesn't do it for me, and has uncomfortables to it.'

My favorite dose lies between 150 and 200mg. 100mg gets me in a good mood too, but over 200mg is just too speedy.
Personally, I keep it to one, maximum 2 redoses, because beyond that, the side-effects become more apparent. (overly speedy, loss of appetite, insomnia, jaw clenching, tachycardia).

I find that a few days of preloading with 5-HTP enhances the experience, and that there is typically no Tuesday Bluesday (as with MDMA).
By the way - if your product is brown/orange-ish - clean it. It's not pure.

Only if it is slightly off-white (almost not visible, otherwise clearly white) crystals or crushed crystals with a tiny smell that leads your mind towards lemon or citrus - then it's clean :)
This was 99,3% labtested from an independent source (i know everyone can say so but --)

Have had the brown stuff too, but it's not really the same.
 
Solipsis said:
So what is the expected toxicity for methylone? I still haven't figured this out. There probably is no research to support anything but is there perhaps some general things that could be said about the whole group of substituted cathinones and methcathinones?

Enough people are warning for mephedrone, as do I because I don't trust it one but... But apart from the worrisome acute side effects on the cardiovascular system how likely is it that methylone is every bit as toxic as mephedrone to 1) nerves 2) liver and 3) kidneys???

What do you think? Is the mild effect profile, mild side effect profile and mild comedown in general of methylone is any sign that it's not that bad?
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The general consensus and my feeling is that it is less toxic than MDMA and Mephedrone by chemical nature and since it's not as intense the brain effects wouldn't be as great. Also, people don't seem to binge on it as much as some others. Dose makes the poison, so that could also be a factor.
 
so where does methlyone stand in the music enhancement deptartment? Also, most of what I've read seems to have some conflicting reports, even within the same user and same report; that is the lasting stimulation, but relatively little desire to do anything (at least physically) with that energy... could someone elaborate? The dosage also seems to vary rather wildly... is the large "attack" dose and booster dosing (as recommended on erowid) later actually a good strategy, or will this just lead to using too much product and unpleasant vasoconstrictive effects?

I'm probably going to try this soon and after the low dose safety tests, i'm guessing the therapeutic range to be ~100-160mg? How nasty is insufflation?
 
i found the music enhancement similar to mdma.

my experience (with a single 200mg dose) was a mdma like high that slowly faded into amphetamine like stimulation over 2-3h which in turn faded rather quickly into a racing heart and the inability to sleep (i wouldn't call this stimulation; i was content to just lie there).
what's probably worth mentioning (as methylone metabolizes into 3,4-methylenedioxy-ephedrine) is that i used ephedrine extract quite often before i came into contact with 'real' stimulants. i finally stopped using ephedrine because all i got from it was a strange feeling and a racing heart...

i haven't tried insufflation myself, but have read here and in eadd that insufflation gives and even shorter and even less mdma-like experience.
 
^ Wonderful stuff :)

You just gotta figure out how to use it right. I find it worthless without piracetam.

I want to give butylone another chance. It just caused such bad side-effects in me. I had never been so strung out in my entire life.
 
That's the effect I get from methylone, Pepper - strung out and sketched into oblivion with a three day comedown from hell. Was much more fun combining M1 with meph . B1 and meph was also good fun. Not a big fan of any of them really though, to be honest. If I ever get some piracetam I may review my disdain but the rabid shilling of piracetam by some folks (not you, of course :)) put me right off trying the stuff really :\
 
Shilling as in touting and pushing it as some miracle cure for everything?

I know what you mean. I'm sure I've mentioned it before but the I find it only has effects in the department of potentiation. I haven't dabbled with mixing psychedelics with it though; I've read a whole lot about potentiation to a "scary" degree; but it sure does wonders with methylone.

My last stint with B1 involved a 100mg dose 2 hours after a 140mg dose of M1. All was good until the peak faded. I was sketched out of my mind for 2 straight days. It was the longest I had ever been up. I finally ended it with some alprazolam; looking back now I don't know why I just didn't take the alp 6 hours into it when it was obvious what was happening.

My brain was a mess; 10x worse than any MDMA hangover I had ever had. I couldn't look anyone in the eye for a week. :\
 
Precisely that kinda shilling, Pepper. Just put me off the stuff same as the Spice shills put me off trying Spice before it was known what was in it.

The experience you describe sounds similar to my experience with M1 used alone. Felt like I'd been stabbed in the kidneys for three days afterwards and could barely bring myself to open the curtains let alone speak to anyone :\

Worst. Comedown. Ever.
 
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[=DAlright heres my problem my friend somehow got a gram of methylone and he wants us to try it out tomorrow but the only problem is I have no clue about this shit other than what it does. And since hes coming in a couple hours I in no way have the time to look up all I need to know. So what Im mainly wanting to know is wats the best dose for full effects. Whats the best way to be taken and how to take it. Like if its orally can I just parachute it with toilet paper like I do rolls or do I have to use a cap. Can it be snorted and if so how much do I lower the dose. And if the best way is rectally what is the best method? thanks to anyone that replies.=D
 
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