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The Big & Dandy Basic Mescaline/Cactus Questions Thread - Round Two!

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After preparing a 12" cutting using a blender and putting it in a pot on the stove, a froth developed and overflowed on me! I lost much of the froth. Please tell me that the froth didn't contain the bulk of the active substance in the cactus! What's left has been boiling for a couple hours and it looks like it's going to turn into about 12 oz of snot like consistency.

Did I screw up by not paying close enough attention to my boiling cactus? Is my cactus juice a lost cause now?
 
Hmm, well, I would think that the amount lost would depend on the total percentage of water weight lost from boiling over. I suspect it would be about that percentage less of a dose. Mescaline is pretty stable I think so boiling it would not destroy any like it would with tryptamines. I could be wrong with any of this.
 
I cooked the pureed concoction for 2 and a half hours adding more water a few times when it reducing to a point where more water was needed to keep it simmering evenly.

I drained it through a cloth and got about 20 ounces of juice that I drank down over the course of about 45 minutes. All I had to eat that day was some fruit in the morning and I had gone to the gym to purify my system in anticipation of the experience.

At about T+3hours, I felt a little physical stimulation but that was about the extent of it. :( No visuals, no mind or body trip.

I ordered 3 12" clippings from a pretty reliable source and I could see they were obviously fresh when I cut up the one I prepared last evening. I know that that the content of active compounds can vary greatly, but I thought I'd at least get a taste of what san pedro can do from an entire 12" clipping

Should I have cooked it a full 4 hours? Did I lose all of the active substance when I let the froth boil over and out of the pot? Should I cook up both of the remaining 2 cactii next time to get a stronger dosage next time?

Any suggestions are welcome. I won't bother ever trying this again if all 3 cactii do nothing for me.
 
I think what happened was that you lost some of the mescaline in the boiling over, and a 12" cutting could very well be a pretty theshold dose to begin with (it varies by individual cactus so it's really hard to say).

Maybe try 2 cuttings next time... probably a good idea. And make sure to be more attentive to the boiling (in general as a kitchen chemist - this is very important). If it doesn't work, don't fret, and look for another source of mescaline. I have had good luck with dried cactus chips, core removed. It will work if you get enough, and it's definitely worth it. :)
 
Thanks! I'll prepare the other 2 next weekend and I'll be sure to keep an eye on it when it starts boiling.

One more question... as you cook the concoction down, do any of the active ingredients boil out and escape with the steam? Should you keep the pot covered to minimize evaporation of active ingredients?

thanks!
 
Hey guys! Here is my advice/experience. The first time i tried san pedro I boiled 2 12 inch cuttings down to a brown/black/green tar,which tasted like vomit(no really just like puke) and the only effect I had was the urge to paint all night(I was 19 then) also boiling the cactus stunk up the house(mom and dad not too happy). So my 1st try was kinda a let down. 2nd try,(age 26) I bought 3 12 inch cuttings of san pedro, cut them and dried them in the oven at a low heat(although I guess i could of used a high heat now knowing that mescaline is heat stable) then crushed them into a fine powder and stuffed them into 200(plus or minus 60) big gelcaps and split them with my girlfriend. Being a ex-pill popper I could wolf down 10 caps at a time(also,I fasted all day before hand), I finished eating my share in about a hour. My girl was taking a pill with a gulp of water so she got full fast and did not want any more(she had about 50 caps) so I had the rest of her`s too (weeeee!) About 2-3 hours into it I was tripping so nicely.....better than acid,mushrooms or any 2c-whatever. I was in a fantastic head space. At one point I went to the bathroom to deuce and on our toilet is a basket and under the basket is a towel. Only under the spell of mesc. i "realized' that this was a creature who lived with us in harmony. Never had any chemical kept me so lucid and in a fantasy at the same time. Anyway,(now 27) I just bought 18 inches of P. torch and plan on drying,grinding,capping and eating them all for one trip. I`m not worried about an "od" of mescaline as I have plenty of valiums and xanax about to help with any unforeseen mishap. Plus my girlfriend will be there(although probably fucked on 2c-b,2c-i,2c-t-2,or just weed)and the fact that I`m a big guy(6`2,230lbs). So I would recommend to others to ovoid the shit taste and just dry and cap them. It probably takes longer to kick in(washed them down with O.J and grapefruit juice to help break down the caps a little faster) but i had no upset tummy and after fasting all day it filled me up nicely(in a odd kinda way). Also just to mention. I bought mescaline pure before(1 gram) and split it into 4 hits and the effects were way more "stoning" compared to what I felt from the cactus plant. Maybe it was bunk or a poor synthesis. anyway that`s my bit to share.
 
Thanks for the advice, but I'm not going to stuff 60 gelcaps full of powder. If I were to bake the cuttings down and grind them into a powder, I'd simply mix the powder in water and drink it. The blender and boil method seems to be the most popular, so I'm going to give that another try this time with 2 cactii and boil it for 6 hours instead of just 2 and a half. Wish me luck!
 
AfterGlow said:
Thanks! I'll prepare the other 2 next weekend and I'll be sure to keep an eye on it when it starts boiling.

One more question... as you cook the concoction down, do any of the active ingredients boil out and escape with the steam? Should you keep the pot covered to minimize evaporation of active ingredients?

thanks!
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No, the active ingredients do not boil out... they are solids and only liquids evaporate, and thus as the water evaporates the concentration becomes more and more strong. The reason they escapes when it boiled over was because liquid boiled over, but steam will not contain anything but pure water. Covering the pot will just make it harder to not have it boil over.

And FYI, keep it down to a simmer. Once it reaches boiling, turn it down immediately so it's just lightly simmering. It's gentler on the extraction and will eliminate the worry about boiling too hard or boiling over.

If you ever get dried cactus/cactus chips (my favorite form), if you have a strong stomach, just powder it and mix the powder into a couple of shots of water. Then take each shot serpataed by 5-10 minutes and immediately chase it with water or some juice, and then peanut butter. Peanut butter seems to work really, really well in eliminating the lingering bitterness that will be hanging out in your mouth. I'm pretty sure boiling mescaline will not hurt it because it doesn't break down until higher temperatures, but the powder method just seems to work better to me, and it's much easier to prepare (no hours of boiling).
 
San pedro cactus

San Pedro cactus in the witches market, La Paz, Bolivia are the way to go, sod european holidays, and the rest of them for that matter.
 
Alright, getting close to that time. Just about everything in order before my first Peruvian Torch chip experience. I'm incorporating lots of advice found on these pages. Thanks in advance to those who have been there before.

My remaining concern is about my stomach. It's not the strongest.

Any advice on how best to deal with that ? Apart from going in on an empty stomach, I've seen some accounts of folks who've taken sea-sick pills to counter the anticipated nausea.
 
Stomach problems

I find that a small meal an hour beofre works great to eliminate stomach problems. Not talking about a 16 oz steak but small piece of fruit and a piece of toast aprox 1 hour before. Also, lots of water.

Last time testing the effects of San Pedro, we were camping in the forest. Only one of our group ended up pucking 2 hours into it. Geuss what, he was the only one to not eat anything that morning before engesting the cati.

Just my two cents.


"Fry tell I die"
 
I took 1 or 2 Dramamine tablets to help with the old guts and everything worked out well. Get some Tums too,me and my friends always have some on hand when taking any of the 2c drugs just in case we get a bit of an upset stomach.Those work wonders. Anyway you take your cactus,good luck! i hope everyone gets what there are looking for! And let me just commend those out there that can drink that shit, that has to be one of the most horrid tastes ever,so my hat is off to you gents!
 
Last evening I prepared my other two 12" clippings. They seemed to produce more moist goo as I chopped them up. So I was encouraged.

I pureed it and boiled for about 6 hours. This time I lost no froth, stirred often, and ended up with about 22 oz cactus juice. It was darker and richer than my previous week's broth. I drank it down over about 2 hours. I felt some nausea which eventually passed.

At about T+2 I felt much more physical stimulation, which was more like needing to move around and not feeling comfortable sitting still. It was not the kind of amazing physical sensitivity that you get from MDMA. But that's ok, I was more interested in the head trip and what I could learn about myself. Unfortunately, that never really happened. My spacial perception was slightly altered. But my thinking remained pretty much normal. No epiphanies or enlightenment. Visuals were nothing special. Lights were a little bright and text was a little blurry to read. But no color enhancement or trails or movement like I've experienced on 2C phens.

Oh well... it's not something I'd keep trying unless I could somehow be guaranteed I was getting high quality product. Perhaps I'll keep an eye out for those dried cactus chips. It was disappointing, but still worth trying on a long weekend off!
 
did you boil the entire time? i did that my first time with no results, then the second time i just used a light simmer instead of a boil, worked a lot better.
 
I'm sure a proper trip report is in order, but I can say it was down the hatch Saturday for me and my friend - each of us doing a 50g dose of P. Torch chips. As first timers, we were impressed with many things which I'll write about later. For anyone contemplating something soon, I'd suggest you get under 50 grams if you want to move about in public. Were were more or less legless and mostly speechless. On anything else, I might have feared the consequences of being that far gone, but there was no big price to pay for either of us.

In short, I'd do it again...and will post a trip report from this experience a bit later.
 
very light boil / simmer sometimes there were small bubbles peculating, sometimes not. I went out a few times. I tried to keep it cooking enough so that it would reduce down but not so much that I had to watch it for 6 hours solid. oh well

thenightwatch said:
did you boil the entire time? i did that my first time with no results, then the second time i just used a light simmer instead of a boil, worked a lot better.
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Questions

Can you end a mescaline trip with Benzos? like with acid. What effect does benzos have on mescaline or san pedro? I read somewhere benzos don't "stop" mesc trip like with acid. Note i have had lots of trips, phens, tryps etc. and used benzos to end some of them or calm donw end of night and sue for sleep. But with DO* and dragon fly i have found benzos don't work and make things worse. Like the bad trip worse and worse.

2nd question can you snort synthetic mescaline?
 
I find boiling down the sand pedro extract without acid gives that black goo/tar freebase which is hard to ingest or cap up. Using acids like HCl or citric acid doesn't seem to hel it not ending up as a tar goo, might change it to mesc HCl or mesc citrate.

I tried every way to have san pedro. Best way for those that can't drink the goo is extract it or:

the best most i found was to cook at like ~220- 280 degrees i think that Tar boil/cook it down to black powder then cap.

I found mescaline san pedro like a full body orgasms like my hands, arms, legs felt like the the head of my penis getting sucked off great mdma euphoria but i talked like slurring words drunk but thought i was speaking fine. Anyone else found mesc like this?
 
Is cacti a good party drug to take at a rave?

A few of my raver friends found a neighborhood where there's alot of san pedro growing on peoples front yard. They wanted to get there at night after a rave and chop off several of the whole cactus, to take home and make a tea.

Then they will dose it right before hitting up a rave. Is it a fun party drug?

-PLUR
 
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