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The Big & Dandy Basic Mescaline/Cactus Questions Thread - Round Two!

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The other psychoactive alkaloids found in mescaline cacti besides mescaline^^ Hordenine for example.
 
Greetings. This is my virgin post, but I've been all the way through this thread.

I have 100 grams of Peruvian Torch chips on the way. This will be my first experience with mescaline. It's been 25 years since my last hallucinogen trip, but I'm not out of touch with drugs.

There will be three of us. The other two are pretty experienced, but again not with mescaline (one did it many moons ago). So, will the 100 gram bag do us for a first time out ?

I don't want to go light with the chips, so what's the downside of going too hard the first time ? Just physical (nausea, etc.) ? From what I've read here, the cactus experience doesn't appear to tax the user in the same way that LSD might - not much mention of 'bad trips.' Rather more on getting past the stomach upsets.

Also, we love music and hope that mescaline can enhance it. Seems though that if we're inside listening to my big rig then we're missing something. I see the trips are lengthy though. Is it a good plan to try to do both, the music and some time in nature ?
 
I'm no great expert on these matters but from what I can understand it "ought" to do three of you for about a medium level trip. Obviously tho there are variations in the alkaloid levels of these plants.
 
28 grams was a very enjoyable and rewarding experience out in nature for me. I didn't have full-on visuals but everything was indescribably beautiful and colors were amazingly vibrant. I spent the time with 2 people who weere not tripping and had no problems handling myself at all. Mescaline needs a pretty high dose to be at the sort of inte sity level you might think of from mushrooms or LSD. For me it's a calm and beautiful experience of feelings and emotions, rather than an intense ego-destroying trip. 33 grams would be a great time, a moderate-level trip as B9 said.
 
Delsyd said:
how would one go about determining how much of their cactus extract is mescaline and how much is other alkaloids?
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By knowing the concentrations of all alkaloid contents including mescaline inside the specific cactus you're extracting and than you need to know how well each alkaloid extracts along with the type of extraction that you are doing. The contents always vary a bit per size of cacti so it's not a perfect measurement system but it should give you a close enough idea.
 
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how long of a 1 & 1/2 inch thick t-brigdesii would be a good dose?

ive been growing this thing for months and months now and its only 14 inches long... and is there a way to get it to grow another branch or something. i noticed 2 shoots off of the bottom of the motherplant after it got cut in half (by a rodent or something). if i did this to the 14 inch one would this happen again?
 
I'm embarking on my journey.

About 1/3 of a cup of San Pedro is finished, chased each sip with chocolate ice cream. They were right. The taste is unlike anything I could have imagined - unbearable, if not for the fact that it has no aftertaste. If it did, I'd not be able to do this.

I simply boiled it down this time. Next time I -will- be doing an ISO extraction. I'm planning on spending the first half of the trip indoors, where I'm comfortable and safe.. but later my friend may be able to take me outdoors somewhere so I can enjoy a natural setting around dawn.

I'll keep updating ;)
 
Eh, something must be up with either the basic boiling down of the material or the cactus I had. The effects are mostly fringe; body load, misty/airy feelings.. when I'm typing this however, my hands feel very resistant, like I am pushing them through an invisible, intangible force. No real visuals or anything outside of some minor breathing surfaces, and some shadow movement. That is about it so far.

I find myself hungry, though.. strangely. I am eating Beef-a-roni. I don't know why. It's really good though.
 
Sounds like you've received a threshold dose. The potency of cactus varies widely between specimens, making dosing difficult. That said, mescaline takes a good 4, 4.5 hours to really reach peak effects, so you may have a little to come still. Actually I see that you're only a little over 2 hours in... mescaline really does take about 2 hours to properly start.

Whatever it is that happens, try not to overthink it, and be present in the moment, and enjoy what life brings to you. That's what mescaline in particular is actually all about, in my experience. :)
 
Hello! Just woke up.

Well, upon waking, I inspected the plant-material left behind - it is very green still. I think that quite simply, we barely got any of the mescaline out. More water should have been used, with perhaps an acidic solution in it like lemon juice.. and it should have been left to boil longer. It was left in the care of my roomate during my work day yesterday, but he was just following my instructions - we were just feeling it out, more or less.. based on the Erowid boiling-down guide.

Next time, a larger bulk will be ordered.. equivalent to two 18" cuttings. I will perform an ISO extraction on them, and do multiple lengthy pulls to ensure maximum dosage. Oh, that taste.. that taste was so unholy. I am glad to have challenged myself to drink a big cup of it though. I found my stomach was able to handle it all, and I never felt like vomiting afterwards. Now I feel like I've "earned" the extraction route.

When I closed my eyes, and sat alone in my candle-lit room, I found myself feeling like some being was trying to speak with my, coercing me to close my eyes. I did so, and felt it making the connection.. but I opened my eyes a few times defiantly to communicate that I was still of the mindful presence to maintain control of my environment. After a short span however, I allowed it to come over me and I experienced what I can only describe as an "astral octopus" lashing its aurorea-borealis-looking tentacles over me with the pace of the music - it was very sexual. I was feeling intense sexual pleasure at moments, I could have orgasmed given enough time.

Maybe I will write a short trip report on this. Overall, a threshhold experience, as you stated Xorkoth. Interesting, mildly insightful, and more important.. motivating. =)
 
Bodhisattva, I'm wondering if you escaped the nausea because it was a threshhold experience. If the dosage had been higher would you have noticed the stomach troubles then ?

I've received my 100 g bag of P. Torch chips from the vendor and I'm about 3.5 weeks away from my first experience. I do not have a really strong stomach. I'm leaning toward the Xorkoth method (shotglasses with just enough water) and apart from fasting (how far in advance ?) would taking time between the 'shots' be the way to go ? My first-timer dose could well be half the bag. If that worked out to say 6 shots...would I get less nausea if I took them 15 minutes apart...75 minutes from the first one to the last ?
 
When I used the shot glass method, I waited about 5 minutes between shots. I had 3 shots I believe. After each one (like RIGHT after so as to taste it the shortest amount of time possible), I drank some water (or maybe it was orange juice, can't remember) and ate some peanut butter off a spoon. The peanut butter worked really well to get rid of the taste as long as I made sure to cover as much of my mouth with it as possible. I would say that by 5 minutes after a shot you would know if you were starting to feel too much nausea to take another, and if you were you could wait longer. Laying down helps me, and there's a pressure point on the underside of each wrist, just below the wrist bones between 2 tendons in a natural groove that forms. If you press it hard, your nausea suddenly becomes "transparent" feeling and is much easier to banish. My wife somehow discovered that or learned it from somewhere a couple of years back and it really works if you find the right spot.

For the shot glass method, you need to have at least a moderately strong stomach I think. I have always been resistant to nausea, personally, and if chased properly I received only very mild, transient nausea starting at about 45 minutes in and ending by maybe an hour and 15 minutes in. I suspect someone prone to nausea could never keep it down though. But actually I have tried the cactus slime-tea method as well and the snot-like texture of it was so nasty to me that it was much harder to keep down than when I used the shot glass method.
 
I got nausea from drinking snot, not enough to vomit though. With mescaline extract I have I feel none really eating 500mg
 
anyone ever deep fried fresh cactus chips? im thinking quarter inch clices with the middles taken out to give you something similar to psychoactive onion rings
 
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anyone ever deep fried fresh cactus chips? im thinking quarter inch clices with the middles taken out to give you something similar to psychoactive onion rings
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you try it but don't forget the cheese dip and also ranch maybe! =D
 
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