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The Big & Dandy aMT Thread (3rd incarnation)

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i read all the warnings about danger of combining aMT and stimulants but generally would be safer to take it with something active mainly on dopamine (speed - and i know that it affects seretonin a bit too) or something with stronger seretonin action too (4-fa, methylone)?

i am not talking about full doses of both, more like 25mg-30mg aMT freebase and half oral dose of chosen stimulant. Some people did similar mixes without feeling any problems. Does it mean that they did their body no extra demage? Or does mixing mentioned above definitelly causes some extra demage (more than would standard doses of both chemicals caused separatly) no matter how easy it feels on the body?

thanks.
 
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psood0nym said:
Sorry kids: there's no way to hit the pleasure button ad infinitum. Sucks. It would be cool if there was some kind of synthetic serotonin/dopamine/norepinephrine you could just keep replenishing your brain with. Of course, that would probably end bad, too.
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Damn those pesky biofeedback loops our brains have :) If you endlessly resupplied your monoamines, I think your brain would start producing more receptor sites, causing the same amount of a given monoamine to have less of an effect
 
there was some discussion on what to mix with freebase when plagging. So would I be ok with water and a few drops of winegar? And could I get some problems if I put too much or too little winegar? Cheers.
 
^"Winegar, tee hee. Are you German? I ask because you spelled vinegar that way twice in a row. The only problem may be mild "ring sting". If you get have a little vial, like one of those 1 cm diameter cylindrical ones, drop enough 5 percent vinegar to submerge it then maybe twice as much water swish it around. If it's taking too long to go into solution heat it lightly (3 second zaps in the micro until it's dissolved or pan frying your vial work fine for this).

As to you other questions, it'd be safer with something more exclusively dopaminergic like regular D-amphetamine because aMT is a serotonin releaser and you could run into sertotonin syndrome. I've used it with 4-FA and been fine, some have even used it with MDMA and been fine, but at the same time there's reports on Erowid of combining aMT and MDMA and people thinking they'd die... I doubt these dangerous cases had much to do with aMT's MAOI activity, which is weak -- more likely due to serotonin release (so pretty much just like ODing on MDMA alone, sizzling brain). Something feeling easy on the body does not necessarily mean ANYTHING about the damage it is or isn't doing. You can't tell, only guess from animal tests, theorized mechanisms of contraindication, and hospital reports.

Re: what is it like?: Low doses are like a slow rolling more gentle MDMA. The euphoria gets stronger as you go higher but so does the psychedelic side. If you want just the euphoria and entheogenic side you're best off mixing with something else. 4-FA and it had me grinning through the roof.

DPT and it or 4-AcO-DMT and it were both better than candy flipping for me (high doses of all), but they were definitely serious trips where a lot of the euphoria emerged from realizations/feelings of awe/etc. rather than the type where you just sit there and start feeling great no matter what like MDMA/meth/opiates -- granted, there is definitely some of that non-committal type euphoria with aMT alone, just not the trembling/crying/ "holy fuck I didn't think I could feel like this as a human"-type euphoria.
 
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I am just interested, whether I can use phosphoric acid for conversion of freebase to salt for rectal usage. Can anyone see any possible problems with that?
 
how many days is advisable to put between using MDMA and using AMT, if i'm taking the MDMA first? i once took AMT and then took MDMA 2 days later and while it was undoubtedly the strongest and most euphorically fantastic roll of my life, it gave me a monster headache for a few days afterwards and i am fairly certain it was a pretty neurotoxic experience (and one i'll not repeat). so it seems to me these are two substances that should be fairly time-separated if one has both available for recreational use (i have used both several times, but never in anywhere near as close proximity as that one time).

on the flipside, i'm fairly certain taking MDMA first (chronologically) will dull AMT's potential effectiveness for several days thereafter. would taking AMT 6-8 days after MDMA be OK and lead to a fullfilling/full-effects experience, or should i wait longer?
 
psood0nym said:
Sorry kids: there's no way to hit the pleasure button ad infinitum. Sucks. It would be cool if there was some kind of synthetic serotonin/dopamine/norepinephrine you could just keep replenishing your brain with. Of course, that would probably end bad, too.
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Oh maaaaan that would be so sweet. Although I think the world's GNP would instantly plummet to zero. Except China, they'd would make a killing this wonder-chemical. CURSE DOWN-REGULATION :X
 
anybody tried the new amt pellets? there samples being sent out now apperently
 
Fuck me, I just wrote a big and detailed trip report but lost it cos I got logged out :(

The short of it is this - I've had a bit too much by now, 150mg in the last 16 hours, but I've had a very fun day indeed! It's been trippy and quite mental. I met someone new, had unexpected sex, and had all sorts of little adventures. All seems like a funny dream. It has been a long time, almost 10 years, since I was such a mess. Back then it was on pills, and this feels similar to, but different.

Anyway, overall I say good!!
 
Retarded, I know, but I finished off the rest of my aMT, meaning that I've had a quarter of a gram in nearly 24 hours. It's been a great, fucked up day, but not something I can repeat any time soon, just cos it's really whacked me sideways. Still much fun :)

edit: some time later, as this last dose is really taking hold, i realise that there is no top to this, if you see what i mean. it's like each dose has just piled on a bit more, building up the mentalness. Strange and lovely! Music has become increasingly beautiful - I can follow several intricate trails of music all at once, with a profound appreciation of it's loveliness, all in perfect clarity. Magical
 
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I've taken AMT yesterday, 30mg rectally. And that was really pleasant experience, not very psychedelic, almost no OEV, but the empathy was exceptional. Very nice stuff for any occasion at such dose. No nausea or any sign of bodyload. After 3 hours 18mg of 2c-d rectally and the experience totally changed. Good feelings almost dissapeared and mind state changed quite a lot. Almost any communication led to problems and was not pleasant at all, quite significant difference to the previous AMT. No synergy, 2c-d simply took over. After next two hours 180mg of M1, which is my help in such situations. The experience returned to the + zone within an hour and continued for some time. When M1 started to fade out, I was feeling I would like to take more of it, but it was not very unpleasant or urgent. 2 hours later sleep without any problems. AMT was really great!
 
Holy shit, i took like 60mg of freebase in couple of 30mg doses, all i can say that wow im tripping bawwwwls, hurr! :D
 
This must not be the most original question but is there a big difference between oral HCl salt and oral freebase? Isn't the freebase more prone to causing nausea?
If so, wouldn't it be smart to throw your dose in a cup of OJ and let it salt in there instead of 'in vivo'?
 
Aww, hopefully I'm going to be getting some of this beautiful sounding stuff at the end of the week. Can't wait.

Where I'm getting it from sells freebase. Was thinking of smoking about 10-20mg and using perhaps 40mg orally to boost this. Yeh? Otherwise I might just take a 50mg oral dose and forget the smoking, what do ya reckon?
 
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