The Big & Dandy aMT Thread (3rd incarnation)

[Jesusgreen]

If you have the freebase rather than the salt then it can be smoked. I'm not sure how well it would work in a blunt/joint/cigarette though, you'd be better off trying to vape it off foil.

 

[Scunch]

FWIW I've never experienced a bad AMT comedown. It's been very gentle and the afterglow can only be described as uplifting. It's a risk Hara but I personally found AMT to have purely anti-depressive qualities.

 

[Jesusgreen]

Although there has been a lot about dosage here and in the past threads, I thought I'd ask a specific couple of questions pertaining to how I'd like to use it. How much of the freebase would you take for an MDMA-like long-lasting "party" experience, e.g. a concert or something. How about for an utterly mind-blowing out of this world intense trip? I was thinking the 15-20mg range sounds nice for MDMA-like effects, but I'd like some people to verify that before I go ahead and purchase some

 

[sn23]

I was thinking the 15-20mg range sounds nice for MDMA-like effects, but I'd like some people to verify that before I go ahead and purchase some

Sounds about right, IME. Maybe you need a tad more, depending on your sensitivity obviously. 15 mg of the freebase sublingually/p.o. seems to be just on the verge of being too much for paleobotany lectures. (will never forget the professors look while leaving in the pause, I'm sure he knew )
On a side note: if you don't want to smoke your dose it is probably wise to dissolve it in a few drops of vinegar before diluting and drinking/plugging. And don't learn the hard way that putting freebase amines under your tongue not necessarily results in faster absorption rate but will likely lead to caustic burns and marble sized swollen tissue for more than a week.

 

[Chemical Wizard]

not to mention, I could not even imagine holding aMT in my mouth for any amount of time considering how strongly it smells. I have to store it in a glass jar seperate from everything else because it's so stinky.

 

[sn23]

Just has a relatively faint indole-y / tryptamine-y / DMT-reminiscent smell. lab grade Indigo smells kind of similar but stronger than aMT. Taste is not delicious, but what do you expect :D

 

[Cyanoide]

AMT is a drug that is intriguing, but I'm not sure if I'll ever try it. I've read about it a lot but there's something that's keeping me away from it. Many people seem to report about blissful experiences with different combinations with AMT. I'm concerned about the nausea. I've already found out all 5-MeO's (except 5-MeO-DMT) produce intense nausea in me. I actually have 5-MeO-AMT but I think that stuff is going to stay in the freezer longer than I live. AMT seems to produce nausea in so many people I just dread the thought of having to vomit for hours to finally achieve a psychedelic state. And what psychedelic state?

Even after reading many trip reports this compound seems elusive to me. "The MDMA of psychedelics". I don't like MDMA at all. I have occasional hedonistic tendencies, and while I more than anything would want it to be a "psychedelic hedonism", I'm wondering, wouldn't 4-HO-MET which for me is very pleasurable and euphoric but not deep or insightful be enough? Is there something special about AMT that no other compound has? The very pronounced empathogenic properties? The intense euphoria? Every compound has its own peculiarities, that's why I don't think it's possible to "create" the characteristics of AMT by combining other compounds to achieve the same state AMT does.

This is not a should I take or not post, I'm experienced enough with tryptamines to know what I want from a trip. It's more about me pondering the popularity of this compound and what it potentially could give me as someone who prefers deep and mystic, insightful experiences. I can trip with a friend or two and have great shared experiences. AMT could be great for a shared trip. But the profile of AMT does not seem to fit my other side, the introspective side, the side of me that wants to be immersed in a deep psychedelic trip. I've had fantastic shared trips on LSD and 25C-NBOMe. I've stood with friends, gasping for air while witnessing a star filled sky. Filled with awe. There has always been present a feeling of spirituality, moments when I drift into eternity. A certain cosmic and mystic feeling. Is this possible with AMT?

What is the magic of AMT?

 

[Albion]

I found the magic of AMT lay in combining it with methoxetamine. On it's own though, I find it rather boring. I'll c&p what I wrote in another thread:

I put my initial bad experiences with aMT down to a bad synth. A year later, I bought some more, from a different vendor. It was alright. Not entirely unpleasant, but the euphoria was mild, and the body high was weird. Lots of swirly colours and tracers everywhere I looked, but I didn't care for them since the accompanying euphoria was lacking. Combined with MXE, the aMT enhanced the MXE trip and resulted in probably the single most euphoric and profound experience of my life, but that's another story. On it's own, aMT does little to keep me entertained. Oh and it outstays its welcome by about 10 hours.

I know Knockando argued that AMT turned music into something wonderful indeed, but I've never experienced this myself.

AMT also makes me cold and shivery.

 

[IamMe90]

Although there has been a lot about dosage here and in the past threads, I thought I'd ask a specific couple of questions pertaining to how I'd like to use it. How much of the freebase would you take for an MDMA-like long-lasting "party" experience, e.g. a concert or something. How about for an utterly mind-blowing out of this world intense trip? I was thinking the 15-20mg range sounds nice for MDMA-like effects, but I'd like some people to verify that before I go ahead and purchase some

IIRC you dose on the higher side like myself, usually. 15-20 is rather low for me, 35mg produced what I would describe as a very extended mild roll with very few psychedelic effects except for a nice enhancement of music. I'd imagine you'd have to take upwards of 80mg for an intense trip. For reference, 150mg of my ideal strong dose of 6apb and I believe you preferred the 200mg range.

Granted, I will warn you that at 35mg the nausea on the come up was still brutal, so I would take it a couple hours before concert going/partying - it does last a good 12 hours after all.

 

[Jesusgreen]

150mg 6-APB was perfect for me. I haven't tried higher yet. I've heard 80mg+ a few times with this too. I'm not necessarily looking for very intense with this like I am with a lot of chemicals though, a nice euphoric dose that'd be perfect for a festival or something would be best. I'd probably wait until I had a few experiences under my belt before pushing the dose high with this one, given it's long duration.

 

[PepperSocks]

Has anyone here tried 5-10mg /day over an extended period of time for antidepressant purposes? Not suggesting it's a good idea, just curious.

I was going to chime in on this a while ago.

This has been a somewhat common experiment for those with a stash of aMT who would like to try it as an anti-depressant. I did this a while ago. I find I have more anxiety than I have depression. Although most anti-depressants are also indicated for anxiety I found aMT made anxiety worse. It was stimulating so I can see it being good for depression, but it's bad for anxiety.

10mg is starting to trip. I only used 3-5mg per day for about a week or two and then quit because I was getting more and more nervous.

There's a thread in ADD on this, do a search, it's a good read on the topic.

What is the magic of AMT?

Magic of any psychedelic I guess. That empathogenic warmth. Use it too often, you get used to it, and you become physiologically immune to the 5-HT agonism. On the same token withdrawal would be bad. Xorkoth has experience with long term aMT w/d, apparently it's not fun. Brain zaps, the whole bit.

aMT does have a good empathogenic side not completely unlike MDMA, and I could see one losing the magic the same way one loses it to MDMA.

AMT also makes me cold and shivery.

All psychedelics do this on come-up. Although I do agree aMT is bad for it. Last time I felt so crappy in that it felt like acute opiate withdrawal. I took a little bit of kratom and it smoothed it right out.

 

[Cyanoide]

Magic of any psychedelic I guess. That empathogenic warmth. Use it too often, you get used to it, and you become physiologically immune to the 5-HT agonism. On the same token withdrawal would be bad. Xorkoth has experience with long term aMT w/d, apparently it's not fun. Brain zaps, the whole bit.

aMT does have a good empathogenic side not completely unlike MDMA, and I could see one losing the magic the same way one loses it to MDMA.

So it was kind of what I guessed. The empathogenic warmth. The magic of AMT. I've used and abused MDMA in the past too much to have any sort of interest in it anymore. I think I'll let the thought of AMT go, I'm not that type anymore. There are so many other compounds that are more suitable for me nowadays. While in some ways an intriguing compound, it lacks the depth I grasp for now.

 

[Scunch]

I've found a lot of magic in AMT personally. The euphoria is nice, but I can just sit in a dark room listening to music the whole trip having in depth conversation with a friend. I've found it deeply introspective, though I haven't taken it by itself. I've never been so content to just sit and think for 12+ hours. During the peak the entactogen and euphoric qualities become very dominant in that awesome roll around and get lost in your senses kind of way. The nausea can be bad but I have a VERY weak stomach and have only puked once from AMT out of like 4 or 5 trips, and that was one of those quick satisfying purges that completely dispelled all nausea. Outside of that I had nausea that lasted a good half of a trip without puking when I dosed about an hour and a half after eating a hot dog and 2 cups of hot chocolate (with whip cream). The other times the nausea at 40-60mg doses wears off about a half hour, and is very bearable if I lay down with my feet elevated. I don't know if a therapeutic trip is what you're after, but AMT feels highly therapeutic and it has a great afterglow.

Anyone else find that 60+ mg orally is overwhelming? During the peak of my last 60 mg trip I had so much euphoria that it frankly became dysphoric. The concept of feeling TOO good never made much sense to me until that night. I've also felt like I didn't get much out of 50-60 mg that I wouldn't have gotten out of ~40 mg. With alot of drugs more is better but it feels entirely unnecessary with AMT.

 

[lolusername]

What would be a good oral dose of AMT to get some nice visual eye-candy on?

 

[Jesusgreen]

Scunch, that's with freebase I take it?

I have 100mg on the way now. I'm a little worried about getting the dose right though, as some people are advising me to take 80-100mg, while others are saying 40-50mg. If I take 40-50mg and it's underwhelming I'm left with another underwhelming dose, and if I take 100mg and it's overwhelming - I can't take a lower dose next time. Hmm! I might try smoking it rather than taking it orally as it seems to be a lot potent with that ROA anyway, allowing for at least one dosage experiment

 

[Chemical Wizard]

try 30, and if that's not enough, keep 20 mgs on hand to smoke. And then the next time after that if you enjoyed the previous aMT experiment, jump right in at 50, or maybe 40 and then smoke 10 ???

 

[kingme]

just be prepared for the aMT smell... i mean the stuff reaks in powder, the smoke feels like burnt plastic mixed with cyanide (well not really, but it is a really pungent smell). it also stays in your mouth (the smell) for quite a while. maybe my technique aint that great though, ymmv...
and jesus, it also depends what you want from your trip. 20mg might just be a sweetspot for a night out with a few friends enjoying the music, while 60 will be full on swirly awesomeness (or puke-o-rama, depending on your stomach)

thankfully, ive found it is more rewarding and feels better for my mind at lower doses... but thats what i get with most chems anyway (the less the better). also, after 2 trials with it smoked, ive given up and now only do it orally.

 

[Jesusgreen]

I'm very worried about being underwhelmed. I do want a visual experience, but I'm mainly looking for a euphoric or entactogenic experience, something appropriate for a music festival for example - rather than a flooring trip that keeps me in one position for the next 16 hours

Maybe what'd be more useful for me is if you guys contributed with at what doses various effects start?

E.g. "visuals start at xx mg" "mindfuck starts at xx mg"



Thanks again

 

[kingme]

i have limited experience, so remember that.

however, with no tolerance, to social, entactogenic properties appear at 15mg.
anything above 30mg produces CEVs at least.
havent done much above that due to some body load issues... but im sure others will come by to share their experience

 

[cannibalsnail]

Mild stimulation starts at 5mg

Entactogenic/Euphoric starts at 15mg

CEV's start at 30mg

OEV's start at 50mg

Seriously strong psychedelic trip starts at 80mg