The Big & Dandy aMT Thread (3rd incarnation)

[Sepher]

Well worth bearing in mind aMT is an MAOI and as such mixtures involving stims should be avoided.

I know from a harm reduction POV we should be stressing combos are bad kids, m'kay, but I think its MAOI properties are sometimes overstated. I mean, it's a massive serotonin releaser / serotonin receptor agonist in its own right, so if its action as an MAOI was anything but very weak, wouldn't we have to be telling people not to do AMT with, um, AMT? :lol: It certainly works really well with 6-APB anyways FWIW.

People talk about taking over 50mg to get past the unpleasant effects, is this right? How long should I wait after a 4-aco-dmt trip to try this one? And what dose should I start with?

I can handle pretty intense trips so this one sounds like I could dose fairly high given some experience. Keep in mind I'm not a big fan of half-tripping, in fact I'd rather be sober.

For me it's not worth doing less than 50mg, no. It's just dirty stimulation with few positives at lower doses. 80mg-100mg can be really quite intense, with very strong OEV patterning, colouration, sparkles and tracers, with well-defined, highly detailed CEVs. It's worth remembering though that it has its own character, and experience with other psyches doesn't always count for much. It sometimes seems like it's presented as some kind of trippier version of MDMA, in that it's always euphoric, but bad trips are quite possible on it, and it can be absolutely brutal if you dose too high and get on the wrong side of it. Real crazy-town territory. I'd start at 50mg, see how it affects you, and work up slowly from there on subsequent trips. I've gone as high as 250mg in a single protracted session before now, but personally will never go over 100mg again. There's no need to go all out heroic with it. Doesn't add much going higher than that, but increases the chance of negative effects.

 

[Jakeperson]

That last sentence is true with a lot of psychedelics.

Yeah I was thinking of starting with 50mg to get past the nausea etc and to have a semi-decent trip. See how I go, hearing lots of good things about combinations and it sounds like a wonderful base chem. I hate half tripping!

Another Q, is it worth turning into the acetate for plugging or is the freebase not so bad orally?

 

[Sepher]

I use the freebase orally and tolerate it pretty well inasmuch as I don't suffer massively from what I would call real nausea, it being more a constricted feeling round my throat that passes once I've peaked. I do highly recommend pre-dosing on Loperamide though as it absolutely rips through my guts. Suspect plugging is probably more comfortable either which way, but symptoms I get are not anything like so unpleasant or detracting from the trip as to warrant a trip to the chemist for a syringe and further messing about. If you're used to plugging I'd probably give it a go.

 

[PsychedelicPeptide]

I feel like it hits my gut pretty hard no matter whether it is plug or oral, particularly at larger doses. Eh, maybe oral is more prone to causing the dreaded stomach churning but there are so many factors in all of this. Ginger tea made from the fresh root helps with stomach problems as well.

 

[InterzoneAgent]

I feel like it hits my gut pretty hard no matter whether it is plug or oral, particularly at larger doses. Eh, maybe oral is more prone to causing the dreaded stomach churning but there are so many factors in all of this. Ginger tea made from the fresh root helps with stomach problems as well.

Try taking it on a completely empty stomach, even if plugging. I plugged today 70mg's on empty stomach and had no nausea whatsoever coming up. Last times i plugged 35 and 50 mg's, maybe 1-3 hours after eating, i got extremely nauseous for 2 hours, after the pukefest it's just wonderful tho. Smoked a joint after an hour or so after dosing, don't know if that lessened the nausea. Didn't seem to hit me nearly as strong as previous 50mg, the come up took much longer (2-3 hours). I wonder why? I plugged the freebase suspension in water as before. Maybe it didn't absorb properly...

I could try the vinegar trick to make the freebase dissolve, but don't have any at hand and don't really have any other need for it right now. I have some 1000mg ascorbic acid (vit-C) tablets, which i have used for dxm extraction. Could these work if i dissolved one in small amount of water and added that to the aMt-water mix, or just dissolved the aMt-base straight to the acidic water? Regarding oral dosing, is there a risk of vomiting the stuff out before it gets absorbed? I mean as i have gotten violently sick just from plugging, i think the oral route would be a disaster.

aMT + MXE is widely considered to be a treat. I had an amazing experience on this. The dose of MXE was fairly high and taken on the tail-end of the aMT experience.

i want to try this so bad. I can imagine it to be fantastic, i remember reading about your experience on mxe thread sometime ago, do you have a link to it? I imagine it would make the mxe experience more clearer and focused?

aMT I can't believe i haven't sampled this one before. I imagine it would go really well with other psychs as many have said in this thread. In fact it almost begs to be comboed with something I have only smoked weed with it, but that is great fun nonetheless. I also noticed I could chain smoke cigarettes like i'm on opiates on aMT, and i don't really feel like smoking (tobacco) at all on other tryptamines. The first 35 mg dose i took was actually comboed with opiate. I had drank some poppy pod tea in the morning and took aMT sometime in the evening. It was ok, but wouldn't recommend it since the poppy tea kind of owerpowered the aMT and i could feel that something was definitely up but the effects were overshadowed by poppies drowsiness and made me feel just kind of "fucked up", for lack of better wording.

It's interesting that some people get intense trips from 30-40mg's, for me even now that i'm on 70 mg's the high is very subtle, but ah so very nice. Spend the almost entire last trip reading various topics on bluelight with unsupressed appetite. This could work probably as a study aid, as the high is so controlled but makes everything so damn interesting. Most visuals i have yet gotten from it have been tracers and mild breathing walls etc. But they are not what aMT is about in my opinion. It's stimulating yet at the same time so chill. I haven't gotten any strong euphoria either, but it still feels so good.

What's people's opion on redosing? Should i try vaping some maybe 10-15mg's, as this doesn't really feel too much. Gonna smoke some weed now anyways%)

 

[Transcendence]

I tried 52mg of the freebase orally a couple days ago. I didn't enjoy it at all. I took some metoclopromide so the nausea wasn't bad, but I felt like I never came up all the way. I just felt ill and ungrounded for 10 hours. No real visuals or euphoria, not much of a change mentally or increased interest in anything. I had high hopes for AMT, so I found it disappointing. I don't know how the fuck people do this stuff everyday or get addicted to it.

I'll definitely give it another shot though. I'll try converting the freebase to HCL and boot 80 mg. Cause right now I can't believe this stuff is called the Rolls Royce. Give me LSD or 2CE or DOx anyday. I'd even prefer 2C-I. I seriously found 50mg of 2CC to be much more psychedelic in everyway than 50mg of AMT.

 

[LSDreamer13]

How do you not vomit and get nausea with this substance?

 

[Transcendence]

You fast and take anti-nausea drugs. Even then it's not guaranteed. I have a strong stomach and I usually don't get sick even on stuff like 2Cs. Never thrown up from drinking in my life. Even fasting and taking metoclopromide (drug given to chemotherapy and radiation patients) I still felt a hint of nausea and I'm fairly certain I would have vomited several times if not for the meto.

 

[InterzoneAgent]

Tripped again yesterday and had magnificient time. Went and bough some vinegar first then proceeded to plugging. Made a mixture of 0.5ml of vinegar and 1,5 ml of water and added that to little bit over 60 mg's of aMt. Dissolved really nice. Stomach was completely empty and it caused only slight discomfort for very short time. After two or so hours, decided to take the rest 40mg's of my stash orally. I threw the powder inside cigarette paper and bombed it. No nausea with this ROA either on empty stomach. It seems vital for me to have empty stomach with this compound.

So over all little bit over 100 mg's was consumed but no visuals or anything really psychedelic appeared this time either. No strong euphoric rushes either. But still goddamn it feels incredible. It's so smooth and stimulating in the absolutle perfect way. Somebody mentioned that it's like a psychedelic with training wheels and i concur that. It has become my favourite tryptamine or perhaps ultimate favourite of all substances. In fact i used to love opiates more than anything and be addicted to them on many occasions, but after aMt they feel kinda boring. On the other hand it differs much from other tryptamines i have tried. It's not deep or psychedelic so if i want those kind of effects i'll definitely rather dose with mushrooms or something, but aMt for me is just pure bliss and enjoyment. This kinda feels like i'm on a very low dose of some psychedelic and have underdosed and that usually feels disappointing and annoying. But aMT has other side to it, it brings upon such a great mood lift and feeling for me. I'm basicly smiling all the time and get active and get very interested in various things like i'm on amphetamines. The stimulation is much smoother tho, but it has an amphetamine like quality to it. It supresses my appetite completely and smoking weed on aMT doesn't give me munchies at all. I like that. For exmaple on ayahuasca i hate the fasting to prevent vomiting because i'm very hungry during the trip but still don't feel like eating while on aMT i have no need to eat. The feeling is so unique and perfect. No headaches or difficulties with sleeping for me either. Jaw clenching was probably the only side effect i noticed but i don't really mind it, it's not even so bad as with other drugs.

I see lot's of people bitching about the duration and while i can understand that, I myself love it. In fact I would want it to last even longer and never end.:D I found the oral route to drag a bit long on the comedown though after the best effects have faded. So in that sense i like plugging better. It's like the difference between snorted and IM ketamine. Smoking weed on the comedown was a good cure for it and made me sleep nicely. It would be nice to have some visuals also with aMT but that would probably distract from the focused feeling. Plus the visuals can be brought on by combining it with some other psychedelic so it doesn't matter so much.

Even though it's totally different drug and different effects I find the feeling of aMT in some way to resemble pregabalin which i love. It makes my mood so perfect, relaxed and comfortable but also stimulated with a topping of psychedelic wonderment.

Will be definitely getting some more in january. The only weird thing i noticed about my aMT freebase was that it doesn't smell bad at all. Only when i dissolved it into water-vinegar mix i noticed some smell. Could my stuff have been cut? It's definitely aMT though because all the other sings seem to match it and i got it from a very reputable vendor.

 

[psood0nym]

How do you not vomit and get nausea with this substance?

I've never gotten nauseated IMing the hydrochoride (20mg IM ~= 50mg oral). That said, a friend of mine has, so go figure. I think you just need to do trial and error with different methods to see what works for you, and hopefully eventually you won't puke. Ondansetron is probably your best bet for an anti-nausea drug without it's own trip-affecting side effects if you can find a cheap source... Staggering the dose might work, too, but it'd take forever staggering with oral since the onset is so long. Staggered IM dosing would get around that better, as you're plateaued within about an hour.

 

[Transcendence]

For some reason I'm enjoying the sensation of smoking AMT. It tastes a lot like DMT (pretty much like a nursing home). Might not sound nice but...err. It doesn't hurt, but it's very sharp and impossible to hold in the hits. I smoked 10 mg. Not much effect other than a lift in mood, very slight euphoria and stimulation. I felt it almost immediately and an hour later not much has changed. I decided to smoke more.

EDIT

Has anyone tried sublingual AMT? I've read nothing about it.

 

[Jesusgreen]

Really dumb question but, regarding smoking it, is there a foolproof way to smoke it for someone who absolutely sucks at vaporising off foil? I've lost JWH-x and AM-x before due to burning it or inhaling too fast/slow and given that I only have 100mg of aMT I'd hate to do that if I did experiment with smoking any.

Thanks in advance :D

 

[Transcendence]

I would use pyrex if you can get any. Any type of long glass tube or vial should work. Even a lightbulb. Just make sure to clean it out with salt if its white.

 

[Sepher]

The only weird thing i noticed about my aMT freebase was that it doesn't smell bad at all. Only when i dissolved it into water-vinegar mix i noticed some smell. Could my stuff have been cut? It's definitely aMT though because all the other sings seem to match it and i got it from a very reputable vendor.

I've seen two versions of the freebase, one a dirty, dark orange, and more recently a bright, light orange that looks rather nice. The darker one had a stronger smell, strong enough to be off-putting even once it was dissolved in a vodka and coke, still smelling quite strong in the glass. The bright stuff I didn't really notice the smell. Did 100mg of the bright yesterday and had nowhere near the gastro-intestinal aggravation I've had in the past, and very little nausea.

For some reason I'm enjoying the sensation of smoking AMT. It tastes a lot like DMT (pretty much like a nursing home). Might not sound nice but...err. It doesn't hurt, but it's very sharp and impossible to hold in the hits. I smoked 10 mg. Not much effect other than a lift in mood, very slight euphoria and stimulation. I felt it almost immediately and an hour later not much has changed. I decided to smoke more.

Yeah, it's hard to keep down smoking. As soon as it hits your lungs they're wanting to get rid of it. Even chasing tiny amounts it's hard to keep in long enough. I've gone off chasing it. Get a more immediate kick but it's more dirty stimulation than psychedelic. Following it on foil is almost impossible too once you're up on an oral dose and trying to chase a little more for a boost. I just struggle to focus close up on it and co-ordinate chasing the run cos of the visual effects. Might as well just set fire to it and hope to catch a whiff of it. :lol:

 

[PepperSocks]

Best vaping device I've used so far and it's super cheap; plain borosilicate glass test tube and a straw of some sort, a pen tube works fine. Just put the chemical in the bottom and chase it around with the flame. It'll boil and then you start inhaling. Heating too fast will make it burn before it boils IME. Heat too slow and it spreads out too much before boiling; making chasing it a pain.

Only thing is unless you have access to simple lab supplies, it would need to be ordered which is a pain. If you happen to find a way to get test tubes, choose a size and grab a bunch, they make great vaporizers for all things.

 

[Transcendence]

Should AMT freebase be orange?! Mine is a dirty grayish white powder.

 

[Sepher]

^ Never seen it, but think you're getting the HCL version then Transcendence, which I'm led to believe comes in various shades of dirty white / grey. Meant to be less potent, having fewer molecules gram for gram, freebase being something like 20% stronger FWIW?

 

[PepperSocks]

My freebase is off-white like any other chem and it's stayed that colour going on 3-4 years now.

Of course any colour indicates impurities. Also, aside from molar mass difference, HCL salt can't be vaporized.

 

[Transform]

For those "smoking" it, are you smoking it or vapourising it?

Freebase tryptamines are known for their lower stability, and it wouldn't surprise me if the did not survive in a cigarette or pipe.

I would recommend a lightbulb vapouriser, they are incredibly easy to make and highly effective and preventing oxidation.

 

[sn23]

Has anyone tried sublingual AMT? I've read nothing about it.

Quoting myself from a few pages back, talking about sublingual AMT freebase.

On a side note: if you don't want to smoke your dose it is probably wise to dissolve it in a few drops of vinegar before diluting and drinking/plugging. And don't learn the hard way that putting freebase amines under your tongue not necessarily results in faster absorption rate but will likely lead to caustic burns and marble sized swollen tissue for more than a week.

I'm not sure how much of it was absorbed sublingually, as the dose was swallowed after about 45-60 mins and the comeup was slow, peaking around 4 hours after taking the powder in the mouth.

I advise against sublingual dosing of the freebase. A week of eating soups due to every movement of the tongue (talking included) being very painful was the result.
Can't add anything about the hydrochloride, but I'd just dissolve it and plug.