The Big & Dandy AMT / αMT Thread - 4th Rush

[justinsayno]

A friend of mine completely inexperienced, never once done a psychedelic and smoked weed a handful of times, was going to try it with me at 30mg, dya think its a good starting psycehdelic

No.
Because of the body load [ possible nausea, shaking, restlessness ] at 30mg thats pretty much all i'd expect to happen. Start wiith the classics IMO

Also, the 'start small and build up' approach is wise when using r.cs [ AMT just about qualifies as an RC ] but you're denying your friend the opportunity of a earth shattering 1st trip.
With the classics [ shrooms / acid ] you can dive in head first and not worry about physical dangers or being the unluck 1 in 1000 that ends up being the next RC statistic

 

[Okami]

No.
Because of the body load [ possible nausea, shaking, restlessness ] at 30mg thats pretty much all i'd expect to happen. Start wiith the classics IMO

Also, the 'start small and build up' approach is wise when using r.cs [ AMT just about qualifies as an RC ] but you're denying your friend the opportunity of a earth shattering 1st trip.
With the classics [ shrooms / acid ] you can dive in head first and not worry about physical dangers or being the unluck 1 in 1000 that ends up being the next RC statistic

Shaking and restlessnesss at 30mg? Really? Normal dosages that my friend group are doing are 30mg in the experience of like 8 people none of them got those effects and all got visuals, although not particularly intense ones. Half of us experienced nausea but that goes away as you start to come up so its not really that much of a problem.

As for earth shattering trip, do you really want one first time? You can have it be meaningful and enjoyable without being earth shattering. Another friend of mine who'd only done acid tried aMT at 30mg and had a positive life changing experience.

 

[stratofortress]

First time aMT user here...

Dosed 40-60mg (eyeballed - yeah, i know) over 2 hours ago after a light breakfast of cereal. Still not feeling a thing. Reputable vendor - red, brick dust consistency, pungent odour.... Is this normal?

 

[justinsayno]

^ you asked a question, but it sounds like you've already made up your mind!

well i've never done AMT at anything less than 50mg and it makes me shake like a mother fucker.
i've read so many reports of ppl underdosing and having a mediocre experience, but it sounds like you've had success.

As for the 1st time trip question...i stand by my comment.....my 1st time was acid, and i count that as the first day of my life. I'd spent the other 15 years walking around with my eyes shut.

anyway, it sounds like you're being sensible, treating the drugs with respect so no doubt your friend is in good hands and should have a whale of a time =-]

First time aMT user here...

Dosed 40-60mg (eyeballed - yeah, i know) over 2 hours ago after a light breakfast of cereal. Still not feeling a thing. Reputable vendor - red, brick dust consistency, pungent odour.... Is this normal?

in theory. never seen it happen though. next time disolve it with a drop of white vinegar and a couple of drops of water, stick it in a syringe and squirt it up your arse....you'll feel it very quickly that way IME

 

[stratofortress]

I wonder what would be a safe time to leave between re-dosing? It's going on 4 hours now and still nothing. Anybody have experience in this area? I'd still be taking sub-heroic doses even if i did re-dose, so I suppose the worst I'd be in for is an unpleasantly intense trip..

 

[Sepher]

I would be inclined to leave it there and get on to your supplier. You should be tripping. If you've done that amount and got nothing from it 4 hours in I'm inclining towards you not having aMT. In that case I don't think you'd really wanna dose further cos we don't know what you're taking?

[EDIT] Just a thought. You had anything else serotonergic recently? Could it be cross-tolerance? [/EDIT]

 

[stratofortress]

Hey Sepher, thanks for reply.

I kinda intentionally forgot to mention that I'm prescribed an SNRI. However, having checked half-lives, I assumed I'd be OK to go.

Oh boy am I tripping now though. That call to my supplier can wait. Odd thing is, I seem to only be able to get effects through smoking the stuff. Right now that's fine with me.

Edit - Should mention that I smoked the amt right before typing this post. It kicked in pretty quickly. I think.

 

[Transform]

I think you've set yourself a nice baseline with the oral dose and brought yourself up with the vaporised one. You said you eyeballed it and in my experience aMT is very low density so it's possible that you just set yourself a dose which was very subtle.

 

[Okami]

^ you asked a question, but it sounds like you've already made up your mind!

well i've never done AMT at anything less than 50mg and it makes me shake like a mother fucker.
i've read so many reports of ppl underdosing and having a mediocre experience, but it sounds like you've had success.

As for the 1st time trip question...i stand by my comment.....my 1st time was acid, and i count that as the first day of my life. I'd spent the other 15 years walking around with my eyes shut.

anyway, it sounds like you're being sensible, treating the drugs with respect so no doubt your friend is in good hands and should have a whale of a time =-]

Ha sorry if I came across like that. The guy from disregard everything i say said he got an intense body high that left him shaking and I said I'd never got that and he said it was because I hadn't done a high enough dose.

Reason why I think this is better for a first time round is Acid here is really unreliable and expensive. You have no clue what your in for and whether it'll acutally be lsd, not to mention that its expensive and hard to find. So ideally we'd just buy a tonne of one batch and then just know how strong that batch is and be able to adjust for all future trips, but unfortunately we lack the means to do so.

Other options avaible where we sure of what we're getting,are lsa/2c-b/k (if you count it) but I personally don't like 2c-b that much, I find the body load to be very unpleasant at high doses and the actual high itself I think the least interesting/enjoyable of any psychedelics I've done. LSA was my introduction and although overally it was a great experience lack of visuals queues made me not realise I was tripping for the first half of it.

Edit: Gawd sorry for this being all horribly of topic.

 

[IamMe90]

Ha sorry if I came across like that. The guy from disregard everything i say said he got an intense body high that left him shaking and I said I'd never got that and he said it was because I hadn't done a high enough dose.

Reason why I think this is better for a first time round is Acid here is really unreliable and expensive. You have no clue what your in for and whether it'll acutally be lsd, not to mention that its expensive and hard to find. So ideally we'd just buy a tonne of one batch and then just know how strong that batch is and be able to adjust for all future trips, but unfortunately we lack the means to do so.

Other options avaible where we sure of what we're getting,are lsa/2c-b/k (if you count it) but I personally don't like 2c-b that much, I find the body load to be very unpleasant at high doses and the actual high itself I think the least interesting/enjoyable of any psychedelics I've done. LSA was my introduction and although overally it was a great experience lack of visuals queues made me not realise I was tripping for the first half of it.

Edit: Gawd sorry for this being all horribly of topic.

I don't think it's fair to your friend to prevent him from trying 2c-b as his first psychedeilc just because you don't like it, given that most people love 2c-b and react extremely favorably to it. In fact I'd say I can't really think of a much better starting psychedelic besides good LSD or MDA.

 

[Okami]

I don't think it's fair to your friend to prevent him from trying 2c-b as his first psychedeilc just because you don't like it, given that most people love 2c-b and react extremely favorably to it. In fact I'd say I can't really think of a much better starting psychedelic besides good LSD or MDA.

What in that made you think that I was in any way preventing him from trying it? If he brings a bomb of 2c-b to his slips I'm not going to tackle him and wrestle it out of his hands. I've shared with him appropriate internet sources and some trip reports.

Edit: I will also link him this discussion as well, so don't he'll be fully informed.

 

[adam west]

ive got a gram of this stuff and its gonna be the only thing i do for a while now. i want to try it and if i dont like it i will flush it away or give to someone else. can anyone suggest a way i can weigh it as the oinly scales ive got access to are 0.1 and even then theyre quite dodgy. would i have to disolve all of what ive got? and even then how long would it keep potent?

also can anyone recommend something to do whilst using this stuff? as ive never tried it i would be staying in and probably just listening to music, but anything that could make me enjoy the trip even more would be appreciated.

 

[Solipsis]

Well regarding trip activities, I think often plans end up not being followed and something always comes to mind. But just as well, why not write down some passive activities and some active ones? I highly recommend activities that may be deemed childish like drawing with crayons or fooling around on a playground. Or then at least the walk there as something active if you get stimulated.
In my case, it mostly boils down to facilitating the right music to drift away into reverie or actual sleep.

You should really buy a milligram scale, they can be cheap as dirt for example the most expensive one from dealextreme is still a mere 30-40$ . Check the scales thread, may cost you a little bit of waiting time for some vendors but don't cut corners man.
I think it is quite possible AMT solution will become very smell at best or become partially hydrolyzed or oxidized or something. May still stay active then if you are lucky. No reason why you couldn't dissolve a mini amount in a mini bit of water and wait and see? Meanwhile get that scale though. Faster you are the less you have to wait. If you can afford the AMT you can afford the scale.

 

[adam west]

thanks for reply solipsis. i did used to have better scales (2 decimal points) which got dropped in water and ruined a few weeks ago, and have had the amt for longer than that so yeah i fucked up. i suppose im being a bit of a cheap skate really, as i wanna have a big break from everything after ive tried this and in a way any kind of equipment would probably just encourage me in stuff like this, maybe. i did think about trying my best at dividing into 10 piles of 100 mg each being weighed and then splitting a pile into 5 and consuming one (estimating a 20mg dose), but its just stupid even thinking about doing that really.

 

[stratofortress]

Obviously don't just take my advice at face value, but personally I found amt to be a lot weaker than I had been expecting (see above). If you're desperate for a taste of this substance, smoking little sprinkles off tin foil until you feel something certainly won't be the most dangerous thing you'll ever do in life.

 

[Morkin]

If you're desperate for a taste of this substance, smoking little sprinkles off tin foil until you feel something certainly won't be the most dangerous thing you'll ever do in life.

Would you mind going into details? I hadn't really consider smoking this, so skim-read this thread regarding oral dosages only. But frankly, smoking sounds easier, quicker and cheaper... (how could you resist such a combo!?)

 

[Sepher]

Because it will tear your lungs out, stamp all over them and rip them to bits, and when they're in tiny little agonised shreds attempt to stuff them back in your rib-cage! It's really hard to get down and keep in. Causes an immediate massive spasm soon as it hits the bronchi for me that now makes it impossible for me to chase it. I've managed it in the past and its effects seem quite different smoked.

You'll get an almost immediate tryptamine hit to the brain and it's a lot stronger mg for mg smoked but it is lacking in the full psychedelic effects you'd get with a high enough oral dose. Leaves me feeling nastily wired with the dirty stimulation thing you get during the come up with an oral dose without ever breaking through it to the nice, warm, happy place where everythings calmly serene, intensely visual and massively euphoric. Its main use for me is kicking up an oral dose that hasn't quite got where I want to be but even there it's questionable how much of the good stuff it adds.

 

[Jesusgreen]

^ I found vaping it really nice but I'd agree that it's significantly psychedelic unless you vape a really high dose - it's more like a slightly more colourful and less stimulating version of MDMA for me when smoked.

I find it easy to inhale, I don't really feel it in my lungs - but the trick is to vape 1-2mg at a time then repeat. However, I did notice after a session it felt like I'd smoked a pack of cigs to myself over the last few hours, so it probably isn't all that good for your lungs and I'd advise caution - however my lungs are rather very easily inflamed/irritated so it could just be me, I'm not sure.

It's worth noting that this is with the freebase, I'm not sure if the HCl can be vaped decently or not.

 

[Sepher]

I think the synth has a lot to do with how easy or hard it is to vape JG. The orange stuff I was getting a couple years ago wasn't bad, would regularly chase it but more recent synths seem particularly difficult to get down. The very pale creamy tan stuff available UK of late is almost impossible for me to get down. And no the HCl just instantly burns to a frazzle when I tried it the one time I had it, doesn't even melt as such. Definitely not chaseable.

 

[Okami]

I think the synth has a lot to do with how easy or hard it is to vape JG. The orange stuff I was getting a couple years ago wasn't bad, would regularly chase it but more recent synths seem particularly difficult to get down. The very pale creamy tan stuff available UK of late is almost impossible for me to get down. And no the HCl just instantly burns to a frazzle when I tried it the one time I had it, doesn't even melt as such. Definitely not chaseable.

Interesting I have some orange stuff.... Don't know whether its freebase or hcl