The Big & Dandy AMT / αMT Thread - 4th Rush

[Sepher]

Recommending ginger tea here too. I don't suffer from nausea much anyways, but half a teaspoon dried ginger in a little hot water made sure there was none whatsoever last coupla voyages out. Good stuff.

Nub, minimum 50mg to get properly psychedelic effects, no need to go much over that for a first trial. Weigh carefully. Dose / response curve can be steep, producing wildly different effects at only 20-30mg over whatever your sweet spot proves to be. Increase dose on subsequent voyages slowly if required. Don't redose. Waste of time more than a couple of hours in ( and it will take that long to properly gauge full intensity anyways ), producing mainly more in the way of negative effects and adding to duration.

 

[Morkin]

Thank you gents! I'll get myself some ginger tea & will probably start at 50mg using my scale.

Though the original 15mg dose I was going to do is properly cautious, I'd really like to experience some sort of trip, rather than just a low-level "flavour" that lasts a couple of hours. I'll take the risk. Excited!

Cheers!

 

[Survived Abortion]

@Sehper. 50mg is way way more than "minimum to get psychedelic effects". More like "the Hoover Dam just busted open the gates of serotonin in my brain and now I'm screaming headlong in to the land of OZ with euphoria, visuals, and luscious body-highs for 12 hours straight". For some of us at least.

@Morkin: Just to let you know, as stated above, that individual sensitivities vary. 50mg for me is a strong trip and I'll be rolling my balls off harder than ever. It's a relatively safe dose nonetheless, and it seems that aMT is one of those drugs with a very broad dosing spectrum. I'm thinking you've probably already dosed by the time I posted this though, so bon voyage if that's the case!

 

[Sepher]

SA, as in all things YMMV is the rule but there seems to be a general consensus that at doses below that it's more of an unpleasant, dirty stim than it is a psychedelic. Definitely true in my case, and according to lots of posts I've read from others with similar experience. I find it's two different drugs at doses above and below 50mg, I have to go higher than that to get past the unpleasant negative effects.

I'm pretty uncomfortable during the come up but all the negative effects disappear as I hit peak and I'm left with blissful, serene euphoria with a calm, lucid headspace and great visuals and music appreciation, very recreational. Never get there with less, just feel nastily wired for the duration without the big serotonin kick it produces at 50mg and up. Very variable though and some will be more sensitive than others. 10-20mg either way can make a hell of a difference, 100mg perfect for me, 20mg over that could be, and has been on occasion difficult. Demands respect this stuff. Novices expecting some kind of MDMA-like experience with added visuals as is often made out could well find it very much has a dark side if not treated with appropriate respect!

 

[Morkin]

@Morkin: Just to let you know, as stated above, that individual sensitivities vary. 50mg for me is a strong trip and I'll be rolling my balls off harder than ever.

You're totally right of course. I'm thinking of going for 40mg.

I have to wait until this weekend until I can dedicate 12 hrs to this stuff, so I've not done it yet. However, I'll write a report for you all when it is over.

5'11', 140lbs, mid-thirties male

10.30am - woke with an empty stomach. Did the usual libations, then popped a veggie-cap of 40mg & chelated magnesium.

12pm to 2pm - went across town a few times running errands (on foot & via transit), anticipated the come-up would occur by the time I got home. Was amused to feel the typical tryptamine "come up" sensation while out and about - faster than the two hour time given for this substance. The City is snow covered and everything is white and radiant. Was strangely pleasing to see how everyone in the street was unbalanced, shivering, hiding in their clothes, noses red. Everyone had an air of vulnerability and comedy. I felt energised and had no problems slogging through the snow. A massive truck nearly slid off the road towards me. It had a giant doughnut on the side and I chuckled to think of what an undignified death that would be. Did not think twice to help a woman stuck with a push-chair in the middle of the snow-clogged road and her thanks were heartfelt. I believe I'd have done this anyway, but with a little less buoyancy.

2pm - back at my flat, eyes massively dilated - makes me smile. Stimulated feeling - a bit sweaty and shaky. My girlfriend invites me back to bed and the sex is warm and sensual. Afterwards I shower - the hot water feels very good and the water droplets on the sides of the shower seem to have their own "life". They seem to shimmer and shake, tinier versions appearing, slowly shaking upwards, sudden rivulets cutting through them. It is beautiful and I watch it all for a time.

3pm - 8pm - I eat some pomegranate seeds, chelated magnesium and drink water. Looking at the white, featureless floor, I see those LSD-type patterns moving across it. They are not very vivid, but seem to be part of all of my tryptamine trips. Was planning on going to the art gallery, but no longer energised & unexpectedly lethargic. Spend the afternoon enjoy my girlfriends company, eat some nice chocolates & listen to music (no noticeable audio/flavour enhancement) - good, relaxed mood brought on by being high and bit of fun with the haze of visuals that can be made out (light is also more vibrant and there are some tracers) and which lasts for hours.

8pm - feeling tired. Face sort of aching, though I've only had mild jaw-clenching and not chewed gum. Take some painkillers for a dull headache. Some constipation on the toilet (not at all normal for me). Buy some liquor to ease the come-down.

10pm - tension and pain gone, feeling tired, fall asleep about midnight.

I was relieved that I didn't experience nausea (no need for the ginger tea I picked up!) and surprised at the lack of energy. I expect that - and the visuals - will intensify when I increase the dose next time - though I suspect extra body-load will accompany it to. Today (the day after) felt a bit run-down and listless. Will probably do 80mgs next.

 

[justinsayno]

. Demands respect this stuff. Novices expecting some kind of MDMA-like experience with added visuals as is often made out could well find it very much has a dark side if not treated with appropriate respect!

fuck yeah

 

[psood0nym]

2pm - back at my flat, eyes massively dilated - makes me smile. Stimulated feeling - a bit sweaty and shaky. My girlfriend invites me back to bed and the sex is warm and sensual. Afterwards I shower - the hot water feels very good and the water droplets on the sides of the shower seem to have their own "life". They seem to shimmer and shake, tinier versions appearing, slowly shaking upwards, sudden rivulets cutting through them. It is beautiful and I watch it all for a time.

Like your style. Think you should keep writing. Not for the grammatical distillation. For the heart.

 

[Morkin]

Thanks psood0nym.
I feel it is the least I can do. If anyone can gain a little guidance before they try, or find it interesting to compare to their own experience, it was worth the minor effort. Plus, it is quite fun for me to look back on these things. Chems are a bit like a vacation for me, so these writings are somewhat like postcards to myself

 

[Survived Abortion]

Thanks psood0nym.
I feel it is the least I can do. If anyone can gain a little guidance before they try, or find it interesting to compare to their own experience, it was worth the minor effort. Plus, it is quite fun for me to look back on these things. Chems are a bit like a vacation for me, so these writings are somewhat like postcards to myself

Yeah great report man. I found aMT to be somewhat lethargic too, but in a nice way.

Demands respect this stuff. Novices expecting some kind of MDMA-like experience with added visuals as is often made out could well find it very much has a dark side if not treated with appropriate respect!

In all honesty dude, this stuff is about the least dark psychedelic I can possibly think of. There's just nothing bad about it at sensible doses. I've felt on the verge of a manic-type high for a few moments but it passes as long as you realize what it is. I've also felt like I was going to pass out because the serotonin rushes were so intense - or else my brain was in need of glucose - but there was never anything dark or sinister there. My last experience (transdermal) was just completely lovely all over.

 

[Solipsis]

Hold on, you dosed transdermally? How much and how was it?

And no I don't think AMT is dark either but I have hardly ever been so dreamy as I was on this. Half a day could fly by in a blur and I also kept falling asleep. Which was a waste...
Reminds me of MDAI but it is clearly stronger and more psychedelic, it is just that serotonin sedation that completely overrules any stimulation for me. Freaky.

 

[Morkin]

My last experience (transdermal) was just completely lovely all over.

Yes, please let us know the details!

 

[Survived Abortion]

^Okay, I know some people are going to call bullshit on this but I'll report it anyway.

I tried injecting it into a couple of bananas for my friend and I to dose at a Rodrigo y Gabriela show. [Yes, really 8)] It was a solution of 30mg/ml aMT freebase in vodka. Unfortunately it didn't work at all and the liquid came straight back round the sides of the needles and ran onto my fingers. I was chatting with my friend and I must have left it too long before I washed my hands - the smell was there for a couple of hours even after washing.

Anyway, I wasn't expecting it at all, and I didn't even know or think aMT could be absorbed transdermally, but on the train to London for the show about an hour later I started getting serotonergic rushes. I couldn't focus on the conversation or follow what my friend was saying. It was then that I clocked what it was. I have no idea how many milligrams I absorbed, but we got to travelling on the tube in rush hour and I was coming up with my face squashed against the train doors. Saturated colours everywhere. Eye-popping shades of yumminess throbbing from all the people heaving though the the brightly lit tunnels, and from everything else I set my eyes upon. My attention was drawn to skin, clothing, and the cartoonish carriage furnishings. The river, the buildings and the lights outside were more subtly enhanced.

The head-space continued to manifest with a steady climb of empathic euphoria as we goofed around London seeing the sights. I would say somewhere between a + and ++, but it's hard to tell with empathogens. At this apparently low dose I was simultaneously alert and relaxed, like I would expect of a normal dose except much less intense; an over-easy zen-like state as if my head was bobbing along on puffy clouds. A slight erotic push, and deft motor skills as if local gravity was lowered a notch. Handed a 5ver to a homeless beggar and she erupted in elation, sending muslim prayers to the sky, which left me glowing even brighter. Rush hour never looked so pretty.

The venue at the Old Vic Tunnels was trippy enough, because it was the Mexican Day of the Dead festival, and there was all sorts of weird shit going on in there. It ebbed and flowed in waves through the night until T+5.30 when my friend and I (he had taken 4-FA on the train to keep up) decided to dose 4.5 milligrams of 5-MeO-MiPT before the show. I was initially concerned about the interaction, but I gauged the dose as having been low enough and long enough since dosing the aMT not to cause a problem; the effects of the aMT had pretty much all but worn off by this time.

It is difficult to tell the degree to which potentiation (if any) occurred because I hadn't hitherto taken a dose of moxy that low, but I was rushing hardcore a few songs into Rodrigo y Gabriela's set, to the point of feeling like I was gonna puke a couple of times. Having said that, their music is so un-freaking-believably awesome that I'm sure I would have been rushing to some extent even if I was sober. And 5-MeO-MiPT can be pretty powerful even in sub 10mg doses.

I didn't sleep until T+21.30 post aMT dose and T+16.00 post 5-MeO-MiPT.

This was nothing like the "dirty stimulation" that many others have described of low-dose aMT. To me, this was lovely, and I can only think it would have been even lovelier with a slightly higher dose to really get it to pop. Perhaps the ROA had something to do with this; I don't know, but after this I am very keen to try more low-dose experiments. I can easily see why the Soviets intended this to be an antidepressant drug at such doses.

It deserves more transdermal experiments, and next time I am going to measure a known dose and administer it the same way, sans bananas.

 

[Morkin]

Awesome - thanks for sharing!

I think it is possible you got hit with bananadine LOL!!

 

[Survived Abortion]

Haha yes! Screw the aMT, next time I'll just smoke the banana skins.

 

[Sepher]

In all honesty dude, this stuff is about the least dark psychedelic I can possibly think of. There's just nothing bad about it at sensible doses. I've felt on the verge of a manic-type high for a few moments but it passes as long as you realize what it is.

Yeah, maybe dark was a bad choice of word. It was mania I was driving at. I've experienced mania a couple of times at high doses as it approaches peak, I think thanks to the massive stimulant push. Thinking can become very accelerated and tangential and I've found myself spiralling in on thought loops that have been VERY bleedin' far from rational. That's the dark side I was hinting at.

 

[justinsayno]

^ no its not dark as such. But Sepher's line about people expecting it to be like MDMA with visuals was spot on. Its a shallow psychedelic but it is still psychedelic...
it surprised the hell out of me...i think if i'd been alone the 1st time i took it probably would've had a bad time....

 

[Splitz]

I've seen aMT bite inexperienced people in the arse. I never find it dark, but others have. I've sat there, rushing away, while they're across the room saying 'why the fuck is there blood coming out of the walls? Ahh I don't like this'.

I've never once felt a moment of darkness with this stuff, and I do it a lot. But just because the likes of us find that to be true, it's not going to be for everyone and I've seen evidence of this. So I think Sepher was wholly right, even if his own experiences don't quite match what he said.

Most would agree for the biggest part that aMT is full of sunshine and happiness and warmth. But like any psychedelic it still needs to be respected. It still feels to me like a classic tryptamine, where you're not given everything on a plate and have to kind of build a relationship with it.

 

[Morkin]

Blood coming down the walls? That'd be fucking rad! %)

It still feels to me like a classic tryptamine, where you're not given everything on a plate and have to kind of build a relationship with it.

You mean in terms of setting?

Was thinking of taking this into an art-gallery or museum. Any experiences with that?

Going to have a nice 80mg drinky-poo next weekend (too busy this weekend).

 

[Okami]

I've seen aMT bite inexperienced people in the arse. I never find it dark, but others have. I've sat there, rushing away, while they're across the room saying 'why the fuck is there blood coming out of the walls? Ahh I don't like this'.

I've never once felt a moment of darkness with this stuff, and I do it a lot. But just because the likes of us find that to be true, it's not going to be for everyone and I've seen evidence of this. So I think Sepher was wholly right, even if his own experiences don't quite match what he said.

Most would agree for the biggest part that aMT is full of sunshine and happiness and warmth. But like any psychedelic it still needs to be respected. It still feels to me like a classic tryptamine, where you're not given everything on a plate and have to kind of build a relationship with it.

A friend of mine completely inexperienced, never once done a psychedelic and smoked weed a handful of times, was going to try it with me at 30mg, dya think its a good starting psycehdelic, since I felt quite straight headed on it compared to even just weed.

 

[Morkin]

A friend of mine completely inexperienced, never once done a psychedelic and smoked weed a handful of times, was going to try it with me at 30mg, dya think its a good starting psycehdelic, since I felt quite straight headed on it compared to even just weed.

For sure, start slow and careful. Some people (like myself) are "tryptamine hardheads". I remember one occasion after a mushroom-fest, my friends were tripping to the point of being totally useless, while I felt fairly sober & ended up being their goddamn nurse LOL. I expect others can be sensitive (or even allergic) so take it easy the first time & go from there.

Also - best to keep sleeping pills handy in-case you need to kill a bad trip. Have shit that your friend likes on hand (music, furry shit to cuddle, whatever - chances are, you won't need it tho)