The Big & Dandy AMT / αMT Thread - 4th Rush

[Jesusgreen]

You're not gonna want to be eating on it, no. Typical serotonergic stimulant in that respect, yes. Even drinking can be something of a chore and something I forget to do altogether quite often.

I'll have to say that if you start tripping with an empty stomach I'm not quite sure this is true - my first aMT trip made me more hungry than any amount of weed or anything else ever has and nothing, I repeat nothing has ever made food taste that amazing! :D

 

[Wubb]

I'll have to say that if you start tripping with an empty stomach I'm not quite sure this is true - my first aMT trip made me more hungry than any amount of weed or anything else ever has and nothing, I repeat nothing has ever made food taste that amazing! :D

So true, i cant stop eating when i do amt everything taste so good, fruit juice is amazing ! Once on a high dose of amt and 25i-nbome i almost started crying as i was eating my dinner, i couldnt believe anything could taste that good and the fact that i had made it just sent my emotions off,Lool
I looked over at my girlfriend with a tear in my eye and said ' i cant beleve anything can be this beautiful'
Never felt like that on just 25i alone

 

[kingme]

just wondering, does anyone else get diarrhea from aMT use? at lowish doses (10-15mg) i never had this problem, but with anything above 20 it can get pretty ridiculous.

and id just like to add, aMT + 2C-B is an awesome combo. just make sure you have a significant other around....

 

[MrFister]

I've had this substance sitting around for a long long time and i've never worked up the courage to try it. Dosed 15 mg about 6 and a half hours ago, and went for a pretty amazing run. I've had a somewhat negative experience though, and I really wish I was sober by now. Its too trippy to be a good stimulant, and too stimulating to be a good trip. Eating was phenomenal however, I never had troubles with it today. No nausea whatsoever either. I feel generally uncomfortable and can't seem to find anything interesting enough. Wouldn't attempt this substance again

 

[Sepher]

and id just like to add, aMT + 2C-B is an awesome combo. just make sure you have a significant other around....

QFT! Dosed around ~50mg aMT about four hours into a 2mg 25B-NBOMe trip being sure I was well settled into peak effect there and it really took the euphoria and visuals up a level. Think I could have dose higher on the aMT as it goes but was a little cautious not wanting one to overly drive the other, staggering dose always the way forward too I've found combing aMT with anything that has a stimulant effect in the past. Good combo, no negatives whatsoever to report at that dose, will definitely repeat.

 

[DubNaut]

dosed 25mg for first time
coming up on the 2 hour mark

definitely had a tryptamine taste
slight stomach discomfort

edit: my pupils are slightly dilated
can't really say much, feel anti-depressed

 

[kingme]

it always amazes me how most people need so much while i get good effects from lower doses. seriously though, i will try a higer level in the future, but for now, i must say, 20mg can get me quite trippy, though probably not as visual as some may like.

also, now, a couple of days after my trip with it, i must say, for all the empathogenicity, energy and general rollyness of the trip, not only do i not feel the suicide tuesday, but my mood is up and im feeling awesomely refreshed...

glad to report the shits i had were gone by the evening of the second day, and but for a slight hungover and tired second day, there were no negative effects that was able to discern.

 

[DubNaut]

about 3.30 in it seemed i was having an allergic reaction
my eyelid was slightly swelling.. took benadryl
i also had a MASSIVE headache overnight and into today

only noticed slight visuals at 4 hour mark,
will up the dose after a few more small trials
to see if the headache and allergy is from the "amt"

 

[Okami]

about 3.30 in it seemed i was having an allergic reaction
my eyelid was slightly swelling.. took benadryl
i also had a MASSIVE headache overnight and into today

only noticed slight visuals at 4 hour mark,
will up the dose after a few more small trials
to see if the headache and allergy is from the "amt"

As for headache, I've only done amt once, but I bought a gram and plan to do more, but I got an awful headache as I started to come down, that lasted for 2-3 days after the trip. One thing i noticed in the following days was smoking weed made it worse, a friend did amt yesterday and is saying the same thing, headache half way through and still one today. So the headache oculd be from th amt.

Does anyone else get headaches? They make me worry about the potential neurotoxicity, something thats actively causing pain can't be a good thing. Is it safe to take paracetamol or ibuprophen with amt?


Also on a unrelated note, I saw in the dangerous combinations thread that amt is dangerous with alcohol, why is that?

It seems to me there seems to be a predigious against alcohol, now I'm sure amt is dangerous with alcohol otherwise there wouldn't be a warning, but I remember reading a guide on bluelight (fortunately can't remember what drug it was for) where they warned against combing the drug with alcohol because it was far too dangerous (they really stressed it) but then said one of their favourite combinations was it with GHB. Now again I dont know my organic chemistry but from what I do know, It doesn't make any sense to me that GHB would be a-okay and alcohol not.

 

[Survived Abortion]

Alcoholic drinks such as beer and wine are not recommended with aMT because aMT is an MAOI, and there is tyramine present in those drinks.

Your headache may have been caused by a number of factors, such as muscle tension, dehydration (if you were not drinking - I remember forgetting to drink much water whilst on aMT) and general comedown symptoms. I don't think the potential neurotoxicity is anything to be concerned about for occasional dosing, as long as you allow yourself time to replenish afterwards.

 

[Sepher]

^This^ exactly! There was some discussion of this previously, my similar comments to above here:

I do tend to get a bit of a thick head towards the end of the trip, usual stimulant comedown type thing, and I tend not to drink very much when I'm on aMT, if at all, and do tend to sweat a little so there's possibly a bit of a dehydration thing going on there too, but I don't suffer anything more than that very mild headachey feeling, and nothing much to report during the come-up or peak so far. Nothing I wouldn't consider par for the course with any stimulant or psychedelic out there really, not just aMT.

 

[Achten]

I've never had a headache but the thing is you have to drink before you get thirsty.
I always have a bottle of water with me so I can sip it. If it's empty, I'll get another one. Eating bananas, apples and nuts also helps your body deal with the side effects.

 

[Okami]

Alcoholic drinks such as beer and wine are not recommended with aMT because aMT is an MAOI, and there is tyramine present in those drinks.

Your headache may have been caused by a number of factors, such as muscle tension, dehydration (if you were not drinking - I remember forgetting to drink much water whilst on aMT) and general comedown symptoms. I don't think the potential neurotoxicity is anything to be concerned about for occasional dosing, as long as you allow yourself time to replenish afterwards.

Muscle tension causes a headache? I pretty much always have a bottle of what with me that I sip at when I doing pretty much any drugs (especially psychedelics cause it feels really cool to drink, I become so aware of the fact that my mouth is full of water instead of air and it feels really weird). And I've never had headaches from comedowns of anything else remotely similar, speed, MDMA, LSD. Would there be any problem with me taking a painkiller mid way through the trip to stop the headache?

Anyway I read again on this forum, but I can't remember where, that aMTs MAOI effects have generally been greatly exaggerated and based of a mild suggestion that it might be by Shulgin. Not that I'm encouraging people to drink of course, I don't want to drink whilst doing aMT I don't think there's anything to be gained from it.

 

[Sepher]

Muscle tension causes a headache?

Sure does. Tension around the shoulders, neck, face absolutely can cause headaches. Guess what tends to cause muscle tension around the shoulders, neck, face? Serotonergic stimulants. Ask anyone who's spent their night gurning on E! Painkillers, ibuprofen, paracetamol absolutely no problem. In fact I often take a couple as part of my pre-dosing anyways, along with loperamide.


Moving on, some thoughts on aMT + 6-APB combo on the 6-APB thread that may be just as relevant here.

 

[Okami]

Hey I was wondering dose redosing aMT work? Specifically, can I take 30mg wait 2 hours and then take another 10mg if I don't think it's strong enough, or is it like LSD and won't have an effect by that point?

 

[Jesusgreen]

I'm not sure about oral but redosing vaporised aMT definitely works but the tolerance rises very quickly. You could always dose 30mg and if it's not enough vaporise 2-4mg or so as a booster. With vaporisation you can work your way up slowly and see if it's not working, so you don't waste a load - but if you go with oral then I'd just take it and see what happens.

However, 2 hours isn't enough to judge the strength of an aMT trip imo, I don't peak fully until a good 3-5 hours into the trip.

 

[Okami]

The one and only time I had aMT I peaked really quickly, I felt it after half an hour and had definately peaked by 2. It's especially weird since it takes me way longer to come up on acid. I was planning on doing it at a rave so definately can't vape

Can aMT be insufflated? Never heard of this is that because its not water soluable.

 

[Sepher]

Okami, snorting freebase is nasal rape of the worst kind! HCl should snort but I've only ever had freebase to test. I don't believe it absorbs very well, no, or didn't seem to when I tried it, not being water soluble as you say. Dunno what it's solubility is in lipids, that might help some get across the membranes. Maybe someone else could expand on that. On the whole I wouldn't recommend it. Most painful stuff, the freebase.

Redosing doesn't seem to work so well, especially once you're more than a couple of hours in. 30mg + 30mg redose at +3hrs will not produce anything like the effect of a 60mg single dose from the off for instance. It will mainly add to duration without adding very much to peak effect. Vaping does seem to produce a kick but it's mainly to stimulation, not to psychedelic effects. IME this is, FWIW.

 

[Morkin]

This thread is fucking huge...

I'm going to try some AMT this weekend. Can anyone please summarise the wisdom here? E.g. dosage & ways to minimize the nausea? I won't be smoking nor snorting it, but will bomb it with cigarette-paper or put in a gelcap. I understand that being an MAO inhibitor I should avoid cheese & wine... Any other hints..?

Really looking forward to it & will report!

 

[Nub]

I'm going to try some AMT this weekend. Can anyone please summarise the wisdom here? E.g. dosage & ways to minimize the nausea? I won't be smoking nor snorting it, but will bomb it with cigarette-paper or put in a gelcap. I understand that being an MAO inhibitor I should avoid cheese & wine... Any other hints..?

The sweet-spot for most ppl seems to be 50 mg. aMT is a really week MAOI so you dont have to worry about food. Just eat a light meal some hours before dosing and remember to drink a lot of fluids during the trip. Best way to combat nausea is to plug it, but if u dont want to do that then ginger tea and weed helps.

And remember to allergy test it first. Also its a good idea to try a smaller dose like 10 mg just to be sure youve got the right stuff. 10 mg should produce threshold effects. You can check erowid for effects list, http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/amt/amt.shtml.