The Big & Dandy AMT / αMT Thread - 4th Rush

[WhiteDream]

QUESTION:

I have my aMT in a baggy. I want to transfer the powder into a dark amber vial. Should I keep put the baggy IN the amber vial (for double protection from O2), or should i pour the powder down? I don't want to fiddle around with aMT's prone-to-degradation molecule

 

[Achten]

If you have 1000mg aMT in freebase, and want to store it for several years, is it best to make it into a salt? If yes, can you use citron acid? If yes, how long will the salt keep its potency? I plan on putting 1000mg into gelcaps; going to take a long while, but I hope that if I store it in gelcaps, in a dark container, the gelcaps (with aMT) should stay potent for atleast a year. Will they? Or should I make it into a salt, and THEN into the gelcaps? Because I'm thinking, it's hard to fiddle around with crystal salts, and getting them into gelcaps, isn't as easy as it is with powder.

Thoughts?

I have 2 batches:

The old one is (was ) 500mg, and was kept in a closet, away from light, and most but not all air and heat. I have this for 1.5years

I have a newer batch, for over 1.5years, 1000mg. This was kept in the freezer for over a year.

I tested both a few weeks ago.
day1: old batch @ 5mg (activity has not changed since first try)
day5: new batch @ 4mg (this was actually my first test with this batch, 10hours after ingestion I realized I was feeling VERY good.

Both are now in the fridge and I hope they last me a lifetime !

When I take 5mg my pupils stay normal. I've never taken a high dose

I use 3-7mg for 15 hours of solid mood and motivation enhancement. Slight music and other sensory input appreciation is noticable. At this dose there is SLIGHT pupil dilation, but nothing too serieus. I don't think people would notice. They might make a remark that I look so happy. From 9mgs I have massive pupillary dilation. People might ask "WTF did you take?"
10 - 20mg for a trippy night at home (sometimes as a base for other tryptamine or phenethyalmine). Don't expect to sleep the first 24hours.
20 - 40mg: 25ish to go clubbin' ; 30-40ish for at a festival. I never go above 40mg, don't feel like it (yet). Don't expect sleep...

 

[Amt tma]

@ survived abortion Thanks buddy will probz just leave it lol.
Btw can I eat any food I want since the maoi is quite weak?

 

[WhiteDream]

Thanks Achten! I'll store the aMT in a amber glass vial in a very cold place.

 

[Achten]

Besides I wouldn't convert to hcl, since the freebase keeps pretty long as well (i hope) AND %-wise you need less.

 

[psood0nym]

From everything I've heard the HCl is more stable than the freebase. The freebase does break down. If you store it in a vial in the fridge it should keep for a very long time, though -- if it's in a baggie in a drawer or something though it might start turning after a few months, though. It'll all depend on how much moisture and oxygen gets at it from what I've heard. And while the freebase is more potent by weight, if you convert you'll still have as many doses as before it'll just weigh more because of the additional weight of the HCl. There's more about the pros/cons of conversion earlier in this thread. If you search for my name "psood>zero<nym" with the thread tools box you should find it.

 

[Amt tma]

Just read vodkas and gins the safest on maoi so just going to drink that lol

 

[Transform]

It may have the least chance of interaction, but it's also far from the safest. Alcohol is a very dangerous drug.

GHB, benzos, psychedelics and dissociatives will usually be fine and frankly, low doses of aMT aren't strongly inhibiting and could be used with small amounts of stimulants if you for some reason felt the need.

 

[Splitz]

Just thought I'd add something about aMT that seems interesting. I've found that the stuff recently has started giving me more visuals. Before they'd be minimal- distortions and things. Whether I'll get them or not is still not a given, it's unpredictable and to be frank I don't take aMT in search of a visual experience.

But, a few times recently, I've had pieces of moss on the floor spring up into completely 3D forms, thought paving slabs in shadow were stairs, thinking that there were flowing rivers on the forest floor that weren't there and other rather mental things that have pleasantly surprised me. Classic psychedelic visuals such as trails have also been very pronounced where they weren't so much before recently. Hmm.

 

[Sepher]

^At what sort of doses? aMT has always been stupidly visual for me, really quite beautiful, filled with light at the 80mg +/- 20mg range? Not quite LSD / mushroom visual you understand. Entire universe springing from a single point of consciousness visual all the same.

 

[Splitz]

^ 60mg and higher, but 80mg or higher makes it much more likely. Anything under 60mg these days and I just 'roll' for a day, and I'm likely not to see much except eye wiggles and slight moving patterns/barely discernible trails. Perhaps I'm gaining a tolerance.

 

[IamMe90]

Well when I did aMT at 35mg there were pretty much no visuals besides very slight breathing and lame CEVs. I still enjoyed the experience very much, but yeah.

 

[Sepher]

IamMe, yeah, anything less than 50mg ain't worth doing IMO. It's just dirty stimulation at that dose. I always aim for 80-100mg to get the full effects, anything much over 100mg being too much and psychosis territory. Very fine line with this stuff!

 

[Splitz]

I've gone over 100mg without ill effects (not that I recommend this), and I personally enjoy aMT at all doses, from 15mg mood and motivation boosting to full on psychedelic punch in the face. I think of it as a Swiss army knife of sorts. Good occasional anti-depressant, fantastic empathogen, and a fairly decent trip.

On monday I took around 30mg and spent the night with two good friends on MDMA, and while my rushes weren't as intense as theirs we were on the same wavelength, and it was fantastic. The only trouble was I was still going in the morning when they were on quite a comedown. I made them plenty of cups of tea and helped nurse their psyches back to health

I think also that while it can get very psychedelic, it falls short in this regard (as one would expect) against the likes of what some people might call 'proper' psychedelics. A jack of all trades, master of none? I wouldn't say so because there's a multitude of reasons why I prefer it to MDMA: duration, lack of harsh comedown, not over stimulating. These are definitely a worthwhile trade for the more moderately more intense rush, euphoria and love of le mandy.

 

[Jesusgreen]

^ Your post gave me imagery of this starting quite the trend...

Just as a group of people drinking have the designated driver who stays sober so he can get them home safely, a group of people rolling would have a designated AMTer who keeps going all night so he can be in a lovey happy mood to help them through the rough morning after.

Although I've seen plenty of discussion on dose, duration etc, *qualitatively* how does smoked AMT vary from oral?

I feel this is important because a shorter duration with stronger effects per dose would be very useful at times for me so smoking would seem like a win/win much of the time - however, sometimes changing the ROA changes the quality of the trip. For example with 2C-E, I love it when I dose it orally but when I snort it the trip is usually superficial, not very engaging mentally, and feels much more synthetic and unpleasant.

 

[justinsayno]

YMMV.
just a quickie. Tried AMT [ 50mg freebase, diluted with water + vinegar and plugged ] Most reports describe this as 'roll' like experience, becoming more visual towards the end.
I found it to be visual within minutes, some ppl say that its not a 'proper' psy when compared to LSD etc. I can kind of see where ppl are coming from, however the potential to get the Fear is still there.
I had an amazing time, but was overwhelmed. I usually trip alone but ended up phoning friends and hung out.
One thing i did notice during the first hour or two [ before i phoned my friends ] was it was more 'panicy' than LSD. If i'm having a bad time on acid its usually a catatonic despair, with the AMT i felt a lot more adrenaline and was fighting the urge to go to hospital for a valium....guess thats related to the stimulation.
So, in a nutshell, glad i took it, but didnt respect it, was very lucky to find the right friends

 

[Morpheus19]

Although I've seen plenty of discussion on dose, duration etc, *qualitatively* how does smoked AMT vary from oral?

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It really feels like another drug. For me, it lacks all the nice, warmth euphoria and empathy I get from it when taken oral, and instead it feels just like some mild stimulant and mood-boster with a long duration.

 

[Sepher]

^This. It really lacks all the positive psychedelic effects I'd get from oral doses over 50mg, not being at all visual or particularly music enhancing for instance, and just gives all the nasty, dirty stimulation feeling really quite wired effects I get from a high oral dose come-up before things settle down. Given most people seem not to like the come-up, myself included, it's not something I can really recommend. I don't even smoke to try and boost a previously taken oral dose any more, because I don't think it does boost it in the exact way I want it to. Even at fairly high doses ( ~30mg perhaps? ) smoked it doesn't seem possible to get anywhere near what I want from aMT. I don't think it's accurate at all to talk about a certain smoked dose being in some way equivalent or comparable to a certain oral dose because of the difference in effects.

 

[IamMe90]

Would you say the nausea that accompanies oral aMT is reduced, exacerbated or roughly the same when smoked?

 

[Sepher]

I tend to not suffer from nausea very much really with aMT, or not what I'd call nausea exactly. More of a tightness or constricted feeling around the throat than a feeling of actually wanting to vomit. I'd say that constricted feeling is definitely more pronounced with high doses smoked than high doses oral though. Make of that what you will?