The Big & Dandy AMT / αMT Thread - 4th Rush

[Morpheus19]

Would you say the nausea that accompanies oral aMT is reduced, exacerbated or roughly the same when smoked?

Besides the nausea I get from that nasty taste, it's hardly existent. That (and a reduced duration) is the only advantage compared to taking it orally.

 

[spiker81]

Hi, I was wondering if anyone had any tips on smoking aMT freebase. I have tried smoking 10mg in a pipe with a little tobacco and vaporizing 15mg with little effect.

I am starting to think i may have the HCI salt and not the freebase The powder is off white kinda yellowish.

 

[Zazen]

Hi, I was wondering if anyone had any tips on smoking aMT freebase. I have tried smoking 10mg in a pipe with a little tobacco and vaporizing 15mg with little effect.

I am starting to think i may have the HCI salt and not the freebase The powder is off white kinda yellowish.

The colour's irrelevant, but if try putting a few milligrams in water - if it dissolves then it's the Hcl salt (or possibly a different salt), if it doesn't dissolve you've got the freebase.

I haven't tried smoking it yet but I would have thought the best way would be the same as most other powders - smoking it off foil (google the method for smoking heroin calling 'chasing the dragon') would be the best/most efficient method. If it turns out you've got the HCL then look up how you turn coke (Cocaine Hcl) into crack (Cocaine Freebase) as the same method will work for turning AMT Hcl into AMT Freebase.

 

[kinavaras]

can someone tell me how long should i burn amt freebase on aluminium foil? Should the smoke come out like in a sec or i need to burn it for like 30 sec - 1 min

how fast do you start to feel efects of amt

 

[Sepher]

Are you burning it up on the spot Kinavaras? You want to be running it. It'll start to smoke as soon as you put a lighter to it, once it's melted that it is, so tip your foil and let it run under it's own weight chasing the melted blob. You can get quite a few lines running it back and forth on the foil out of even small amounts, 10-20mg say. A good few lungfuls, that's if you can manage to get the smoke past your throat and keep the stuff in. It's pretty harsh and really irritating for me.

 

[demon cleaner]

So to summarize whet I got so far:

Compared to MDMA, AMT:

-has psychedelic properties
-lasts much longer
-less rush, violent come up
-smoother comedown?

So even though one would be in possession of top MD, AMT would still be worth trying...?

And mostly, is it good for raves/dancing? To me sounds like it could be good for psytrance.

 

[redredred]

So to summarize whet I got so far:

Compared to MDMA, AMT:

-has psychedelic properties
-lasts much longer
-less rush, violent come up
-smoother comedown?

So even though one would be in possession of top MD, AMT would still be worth trying...?

And mostly, is it good for raves/dancing? To me sounds like it could be good for psytrance.

Come-up is only violent depending on the dose. But the comedown is pretty smooth, yeah.

Of course it's still worth trying. I've found I can get quite exhausted quickly on aMT but I'd quite like to take it at a rave at some point. On certain batches of aMT I've found that music sounds absolutely amazing (better than on MDMA anyway) but others it's been just the same.

 

[Sepher]

Music definitely is massively improved. Not too up on psytrance but things like Eat Static, Orb, Shpongle sound incredible with lots of space and depth. Not sure how it would work in a rave. The stimulation is more mental than bouncing about full of energy for me, but then MDMA only really gives the energetic push when you work it up a bit too, so maybe there's more lift to be had from it. Don't think it allows for dancing your bollox off for 6 hours-8 hours straight all the same. Not on its own.

The come-up could be quite weird if you're out. It can be a bit confusing initially as the psychedelia kicks and things start to loosen up. That passes soon as I hit peak and then the headspace is calm and lucid, with real clarity. Maybe get the come-up out of the way before you go out, aim to get to the club just after you hit peak. It's so long lasting you'll not miss anything. Still got a good 8 hours of it being pretty full on easily.

 

[Splitz]

So to summarize whet I got so far:

Compared to MDMA, AMT:

-has psychedelic properties
-lasts much longer
-less rush, violent come up
-smoother comedown?

So even though one would be in possession of top MD, AMT would still be worth trying...?

And mostly, is it good for raves/dancing? To me sounds like it could be good for psytrance.

Worth trying? I think aMT is actually better.

 

[Achten]

I used 30mg from a previously tested batch a few days ago.
By tested I mean I know it's 99,98% pure aMT and 3mg gives me a confident mood lift, over 10mg we go into euphoria territory. +25mg gets visual

Marvellous, social, sexy, confident, reliable.
First hours of the peak were primarly social, talking talking talking, meeting new people, empathy.
After 3-4hours it got more psychedelic, goes together nicely with weed. Did I say nicely ? I meant they are made for eachother.
Dropped at 6pm, peaking around 9pm and came down around 10am, went to sleep 11:30pm (after being awake 36hours that night, got up next morning at 10:30am , feeling EXCELLENT.
We want dancing from 23pm-6am and ate bananas, apples and nuts throughout, drinking only water and one gulp of cola at the end. People were giving us the weird eye, but we didn't care, and ended up sharing fruit and love !

This is truly the rolls royce of psychedelics.

edit: every three hours we had a magnesium pill !

 

[Smoke ice]

I tried Amt yesterday and took 30mg and then 30mg 2 hours later, all i got was heavy physical stimulation, fuzzy cartoon like vision and just felt empty or like it was going some where but wasn't, no euphoria or music appreciation, slight empathy and occasional hullicinations. It wasnt intense at all, at hour 7 i was getting frustrated and smoked 4mg.

After an hour i couldnt stand up or i went verry light headed and blue, i eventually passed out and woke up 15 hours later still feeling effects. Is this Amt or did i get something fake? or was it because i was expecting much more, i take 15mg mirtazapine and 150mg seroquel at night but stoped a week before the experience. any ideas?

edit: the drug did start to kick in at the 1 hour 30 mark so thats why i dont think it was anything else. And i do get mood up life from taking 10mg

 

[Survived Abortion]

I just answered this in the thread you made, but had I know you'd cross-posted it here I would have answered it in the Big and Dandy. You don't need to post your question twice on the same forum to get it answered. Anyway, since the other thread will probably get very little response, I will cross-post the answer I gave to your cross-posted question:

The kinetics sound about right, as do the physical effects, especially for such a dose. It seems like the mirtazapine and/or seroquel is blocking the euphoric and psychedelic effects of the drug, leaving you with only physical stimulation andn emotionally neutral alteration in headspace.

Although you stopped the mirtazapine and seroquel a week earlier, it's quite possible there were significant amounts still active in your system. The half-life of mirtazapine is 20-40 hours, meaning that if you have been taking it for a while, it would take more than a week for your body to eliminate the amount that has built up in your system to an ineffective concentration. You would probably need to wait at least two weeks, but probably more like a month if you want to get the full effect from aMT or similar compounds.

 

[Zazen]

I've seen a couple of reports of people doing 100mg+ and I'm thinking of pushing it, maybe 75-80mg.
Most reports are 25-50mg and I've tried it many times mostly 40-50mg and it seems nice but wondering if higher doses will correlate to more trippyness without a higher increase in body load? There seems to be a noticeable difference in head space between 25,40 and 50 but the body load always seems very similar, hence wanting to push the dose higher. Opinions appreciated .

 

[redredred]

There seems to be a noticeable difference in head space between 25,40 and 50 but the body load always seems very similar, hence wanting to push the dose higher. Opinions appreciated .

Body load doesn't increase too much with the dosage. Only noticable difference for me between 50mg and 100mg+ is that the nausea begins longer and lasts longer.

 

[Sepher]

I've seen a couple of reports of people doing 100mg+ and I'm thinking of pushing it, maybe 75-80mg.
Most reports are 25-50mg and I've tried it many times mostly 40-50mg and it seems nice but wondering if higher doses will correlate to more trippyness without a higher increase in body load? There seems to be a noticeable difference in head space between 25,40 and 50 but the body load always seems very similar, hence wanting to push the dose higher. Opinions appreciated .

Zazen, 80-100mg is pretty much my sweet spot. It becomes much more psychedelic at that dose, not producing anything other than a dirtily wired feeling at doses below 50mg. It becomes intensely visual, with obvious OEV morphing, trailing, colouration and patterning on surfaces and textures, and highly detailed, brightly lit geometric CEVs. The body load is quite comfortable and manageable for me, the stimulation being more mental than physical. Actually feels more comfortable than lower doses because the dirty stimulation thing gives way to the psychedelia once I hit peak and settle in.

I can't dose higher than 100mg safely. I have gone higher occasionally to no ill effect, but I've also found that the stimulant push during the come-up drives the mental confusion as the psychedelic effects become more pronounced as I approach peak, and that has a couple of times spun me right out into serious psychosis territory.

 

[Zazen]

Thank you both for the opinions, sounds like it may well be worth pushing it next time then.

Sepher how much higher than 100mg did you go before you starting hitting psychosis territory? And do you usually dose on an empty stomach?

I'd like to slowly titrate the dose upwards (previous highest is 65mg) but unfortunately I don't often have a spare 14+ hours to explore my house and stare at my reflection, so I'm just trying to get the best idea of what I'm in for if/when I decide to push the dose .

 

[Splitz]

I tried Amt yesterday and took 30mg and then 30mg 2 hours later, all i got was heavy physical stimulation, fuzzy cartoon like vision and just felt empty or like it was going some where but wasn't, no euphoria or music appreciation, slight empathy and occasional hullicinations. It wasnt intense at all, at hour 7 i was getting frustrated and smoked 4mg.

After an hour i couldnt stand up or i went verry light headed and blue, i eventually passed out and woke up 15 hours later still feeling effects. Is this Amt or did i get something fake? or was it because i was expecting much more, i take 15mg mirtazapine and 150mg seroquel at night but stoped a week before the experience. any ideas?

edit: the drug did start to kick in at the 1 hour 30 mark so thats why i dont think it was anything else. And i do get mood up life from taking 10mg

I highly doubt the mirtazapine played any role in this experience. I am on 30mg daily and don't stop it to take psychedelics. There's reports of mirtazapine blocking the effects of psychedelics, and some of it potentiating those effects, but I find no difference in my trips. And I munch a fair bit of aMT (and other psychedelics besides).

The seroquel is much more likely to interact in this way.

 

[intensecycle]

I tried some 50 mg AMT freebase on a festival recently. It was nice warmth and empathy, slight euphoria, no nausea, no stimulation, but some chest tightness and body load(although it was extremely hot weather at this time and I'm prone to feeling body loads when it's hot).
Overall, methylone/MDMA/AMT feel very similar to me, but AMT is less pushy then methylone, more relaxed and calm. MDMA is the same for me, but this might depend on dosage.

 

[rowedini]

aMT....what are your thoughts?

I've recently become very interested in aMT.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alphamethyltryptamine




What are your experiences?

Any information on aMT would be appreciated.

 

[Achten]

I'm no mod but maybe you should check Erowid or the big and dandy before you post generic questions ?

edit: but yeah, it's awesome .

5mg for 15hour mood lift
30mg for 20hour party