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Dissociatives The Big & Dandy Amanita Mushrooms Thread

swilow said:
^Sweet, well I just "found" some dried a. muscaria so will have a go- probably just a lil amount first; on a benzo taper, so wondering if it will intefere as such; only one way to find out.

I'll probably not mix it with cannabis; too anxiogenic for me atm, but is it hard to smoke? Does it require some dried herbal matter to burn? The mushrooms I have are utterly dry as a desert....

Thanks for your prompt reply matey :)
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Definitely start off with one bowl, because by the time you finish the first bowl pack, you'll be like, "Wow, this stuff actually works =D" Don't hesitate to keep packing more though, I found myself repeatedly smoking more because the effects are so desirable.

That's interesting that you say you're on a benzo taper, I always found consuming Amanitas to have properties which felt very similar to benzodiazepines, mostly in very low dosages (less than a gram).

Smoking it is not really hard at all, seems to respond very well to a flame. Whether it be butane torch or a regular bic lighter (I would use a butane if you had one though). The smoke it produces, isn't the most appetizing, but I got used to it very quickly. It has a very Earthy, soil taste to it.

I don't think it's necessary to add any extra herbs to it. The more dry, the better it seems to burn.

Additionally, If you have a bong or waterpipe, it really helps with the taste.

Btw, no problem on the promptness, A. Muscaria has definitely helped my life out greatly. I honestly think I could say, it assisted my life drastically, for the better. If I could ever provide the same experiences I've had with it to others, then I'd be more than willing to do so.
 
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^Cool. Yeah, I ditched my bongs as I "quit" pot recently (just smoking little one-hitters for now) but I have an nice pipe that I'll use.

Bit worried that it may have rebound effects re: benzo's, but I may as well experiment; I presume I won't die so whats to lose? :D

The few times I've eaten a. muscaria I eiher felt nothing really- or quite a huge weightfullness/heavy limbs and mild visual weirdness; kinda ghostly forms of nothing ness. My concern is the dopamine surge after the GABAergic properties have worn off; me and dopamine are not close anymore....

Thanks again mate :) Will report back in a few days wghen said smoking has been done :)
 
swilow said:
^Cool. Yeah, I ditched my bongs as I "quit" pot recently (just smoking little one-hitters for now) but I have an nice pipe that I'll use.

Bit worried that it may have rebound effects re: benzo's, but I may as well experiment; I presume I won't die so whats to lose? :D

The few times I've eaten a. muscaria I eiher felt nothing really- or quite a huge weightfullness/heavy limbs and mild visual weirdness; kinda ghostly forms of nothing ness. My concern is the dopamine surge after the GABAergic properties have worn off; me and dopamine are not close anymore....

Thanks again mate :) Will report back in a few days wghen said smoking has been done :)
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I know what you mean by "quit," as I "quit" too ;). It's been aout six months now, going strong! Not sure if or when I want to start up again, but I keep having dreams about smoking, it's actually starting to become pretty awkward.

I don't see why you would have a rebound effect, there really shouldn't be a relationship between the two. Like you said, you really have nothing to lose, if anything it might help your recovery. I don't know the frequency of your benzo use, but I do know recovering from them is no easy task, especially if you've been taking them for a long time now.

That seems like a common theme amongst most people who have tried A. Muscaria; Some visual distortion, a bit of delirum, drunkenness, followed by drowsiness. The key with A. Muscaria I found is preperation, and periodic usage. They seem to work much better in lower dosages, using them day-to-day. Rather than trying to have some mind-blowing spritual awakening. I used to cook with them all the time, and add them to everything I drank, on a daily basis for almost a year.

It wasn't until my body "familiarized" itself with the substance, before I was actually able to start the "entheogenic" dosage trials. Even then, I only had these powerful experiences on it a few times. To me there's something about A. Muscaria in lower dosages that makes more sense.

As far as worrying about the dopamine after you come down, I wouldn't sweat it, really. I think you might be overstating the after-effects it will produce :\, but again you know how your body responds to substances more than I do. Don't anticipate it though, I really doubt that happening at all.

Anyway, good luck on your A. Muscaria smoking ventures and hope all goes well while you ween off those benzos!
 
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Fly agarics advice wanted

I am going to try Amanita Muscaria mushrooms for the first time in a few days and want some hints and tips! 8o i will be buying from a relyable head-shop so don't need to worry about picking the wrong species

how can i reduce the nausea?

is tea the most affective method of preparing?

will it be alright to mix with other chemicals later on towards the end of the trip (weed, k, booze?)

as background info - i smoke skunk daily, drink beers regularly, have done lots of mdma, ketamine, uppers, 2CB, some herbal/legal highs and have tried psilocybe mushrooms and acid a few times so i am used to various psychedelic and other effects. i am just slightly worried about the fly agaric, but also so intrigued and fascinated by the mythology surrounding it 8(:X
 
There's plenty of info here in the Amanita thread that should give you some pointers :)

They make a delicious tea - really is tasty - which is the only way I've used them. I didn't get any nausea but ginger is good for settling stomachs and worth a try maybe. I found them a bit of a disappointment really - rather like a lowish dose LSA trip - but have only tried them a couple of times.
 
Amanita powder extract better????

Ive been curious in trying Amanitas...I know they are not a lot like other mooshies, but Ive heard the powdered extract, taken orally than smoked with a mixture damania extract can be a decent trip??

any people know or prefer the difference between powdered resin extract or pull shrooms???
 
Not that I've tried an amanita extract, but I have that more favourable results are obtained from pure mushroom.

Gonna merge this with the Amanita thread. Peace :)
 
thanks...i only ask because. I have heard that smoked amanita extract mixed with damiana is a very nice buzz. Ive just been on a bit of a journey to try everything. shroomies are my fav, but id like to try other things to just see the differance.

can you eat the powdered extract?? i assume you can? but ive heard lots of postitve reports on smoking it ...even i think mixed with some wormrood extract..
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Any experienced Amanita users- do you prefer Siberian, Latvian, Washington or some other variety of Amanita Muscaria? I can't decide which to buy. I assumed Siberian would be best since it has extensive history of use by certain groups of vikings and a lot of forumgoers have recommended it over any other muscaria strain.

But recently I've been hearing more and more good things about Latvian and Washington Amanita muscaria. One thing that turns me off about the Washington grown Amanita is they're so much more expensive than any other variety. Siberian muscaria I find are so often sold out but Latvian is very available and cheaper than Siberian or Washington strains.

Is it true European harvested Amanita muscaria tend to be a cleaner, more clearheaded, euphoric, stimulating trip than American harvested? And am I right to think the dosage range on quality Amanita tends to be 5-15 grams? I was thinking of starting with a 10 gram dose.

I've eaten really, really low grade Amanita pantherina twice and found them really clean and clearheaded but extremely mild (these were almost entirely stems and shake and very little caps). The second time I ate that batch of pantherina I ingested around 20 grams and 708 mg of DXM and still found the experience underwhelming (yet fun but not ego dissolving).

Also, what substances combine best with Amanita muscaria in your experience? I'm looking for gentle, clean stimulants I can combine with muscaria as I hear the trip can be extremely sleepy at times and I already suffer from Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. I'm thinking Yerba Mate, Japanese Sweet Flag, Hydergine, Sulbutiamine, Korean Red Ginseng, Eleuthero, Siberian Rhodiola, Maca or Cacao nibs might counteract the sleepiness of Amanita while hopefully not dirtying the trip. Any thoughts?
 
from reading reports, I've gained the impression that american fly agarics tend to cause more side effects. probably they contain more muscarine?

I would never buy fly agarics, because I like to collect mushrooms anyways (also the edible ones), and they grow everywhere anyways.
 
So, I have put ten grams of siberian Grade A caps into tea, I know i properly prepared it. Probably going to drink it all right this second. Will report trip later...
 
I live in lithuania, u can find tons of those amanitas muscarias.Its everywhere.I want to see those things like color enchanchements,strange visuals with light MJ high.But i dont want to trip out.Ive tripped my ballz out when i was on liberty caps and i was at home but im plannin go to school on amanitas, wont i get a bad trip or stuff like that for a first time??? well i would definetly take mp3 with me and it would be nice to see some cool color enchanchements and stuff in math class.I want to get euphoric,up lifting,get slight visuals(not to see bugs n shit) but like i said some color stuff n shit.And get a slight MJ high.How long does it lasts when smoked???? how much of those skins do i need to smoke??? I would go and get sum of those amanitas tommorow.do i need to dry the caps before peelin the skin and smokin??? or could i just take a fresh cap and peel the cap and then put it in a joint with some cherry tobaco??
 
Glad to see you made it over here, Aivaras :)

It's been a long time since I smoked Amanita so I really don't remember the quantity. Not too sure of the duration either, to be honest. I mostly just kept smoking it in joints until I was happy and then let it fade. Really don't remember how long it takes to fade though.

I suspect it would be extremely difficult and not much use to smoke the caps fresh - I used to dry them and just crumble a bit into the joint. That's the whole cap but I know some people suggest that only the skin is worth using. Not sure if that's the case but I used to use the whole cap.

They grow everywhere here too so I may have to refresh my memory. Have one dried cap from last year that you've just reminded me of too :)
 
Ok i will definetly try to pick them up and dry tommorow.
I've read that if you smoke the the skins u get euphoria,kind of MJ buzz but not as strong as MJ,sleepy.Some say that u get some color visuals but some say it doesnt work.I dont want to eat them because i read that u get nausea and thats the only thing i dont like about it.I hated nauseas when i've get them from the first times i smoked weed.Im thinking into eatin about 7g's but i afraid that i wont be able to communicate.And i dont really like LONG trips.If smoking does somewhere like eating just not as long im happy and gettin tons of them if i will be able to find them at the time like now.
 
Smoking them is a bit less of a "trip" than oral dosing from what I recall, Aivaras. Also doesn't last as long. It's trippy but pretty mellow - not a million miles from smoking weed. I didn't get any nausea from Amanita tea but also didn't get very strong effects from either Muscaria or Pantherina - more a kinda slightly trippy drunk feeling. I found it quite similar to LSA in many ways. I don't have a great deal of experience with Amanitas and have never really explored high doses though.
 
whats the active compound in amanita muscaria?
My headshop sells (well did in the summer, im not sure now, havnt been in my headshop since then) it but i always thought it was psilocin or psilocybin?
hows it compare to shrooms too, seeing as i havnt tried mushrooms and grow season isnt for a few months im looking for an alternative. (LSD isnt an option atm)
 
3.3 The toxin(s)

3.3.1 Name(s)

The main toxins are: ibotenic acid, muscimol
and muscazone.

These three toxins are found in certain species of
mushrooms throughout the world. They are related and
are all isoxazole derivatives (Eugster, 1979).
Ibotenic acid and muscinol are mainly responsible for
the toxic effects (Takemoto et al., 1964; Bowden and
Mogey, 1965; Eugster et al., 1965; Muller and Eugster,
1965).

3.3.2 Description, chemical structure, stability

Ibotenic acid and muscimol have similar
structure to glutamic acid and GABA (Krogsgaard-Larsen
P. et al., 2000).

Muscimol

CHEMICAL NAME: 3-Isoxazolol, 5-(aminomethyl)-
CAS REGISTRY NUMBER: 2763-96-4
SYNONYMS:
3(2H)-ISOXAZOLONE, 5-(AMINOMETHYL)-3-
HYDROXY-5-AMINOMETHYLISOXAZOLE
3-Hydroxy-5-aminomethylisoxazole-agarin
3-HYDROXY-5-AMINOMETHYLISOXAZOLE-AGARIN
AGARIN
5-(Aminomethyl)-3(2H)-isoxazolone
5-(Aminomethyl)-3-isoxazolol
5-Aminomethyl-3-hydroxyisoxazole
5-Aminomethyl-3-isoxyzole

Agarin
AGARINE
Muscimol
Pantherin
PANTHERINE
RCRA waste number P007
OTHER NUMBERS: 6036
NIOSH/NY3325000
NY3325000
(Ref: IPCS INTOX CD-ROM, 2000, 1)

Ibotenic acid

CHEMICAL NAME: 5-Isoxazoleacetic acid,
alpha-amino-3-hydroxy-, monohydrate
CAS REGISTRY NUMBER: 60573-88-8
SYNONYMS
alpha-Amino-2,3-dihydro-3-oxo-5-
isoxazoleacetic acid
alpha-Amino-3-hydroxy-5-isoxazoleacetic acid
hydrate
alpha-Amino-3-hydroxy-5-isoxazolessigsaure
hydrat
Amino-(3-hydroxy-5-isoxazolyl)acetic acid
Ibotenic acid
Ibotensaeure
Isotenic acid
Pramuscimol
OTHER NUMBERS
NY2100000
(Ref: IPCS INTOX CD-ROM, 2000, 1)

The toxins are thermostable and are NOT destroyed by
cooking.

3.3.3 Other physico-chemical characteristics

Molecular weight:
Ibotenic acid: 176.15
Muscimol 114.12

3.4 Other chemical contents of the fungus

Bufotenine (Waser, 1979)
Amavadin: a vanadium compound (Kneifel et al, 1986).
Stizolobic and Stizolobinic acid: L-DOPA oxidation products
(Chilton et al. 1974; Bresinsky & Besl, 1985).
Muscaflavin, Muscaurin: colorant principles (Depovere & Moens
1984)
Muscarine (Eugster, 1979)
source
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Just substitute "trippy chems" for "toxins" - mainly muscimol and ibotenic acid, I (possibly mistakenly) believe. Also, bufotenin (5-HO-DMT) in small amounts.

The effects of Amanitas are totally different to psillycybins - more of a drunken, dissociated state than a "traditional" psychedelic state. There are descriptions of it in this thread if you care to take a read through. If I were to compare it with anything it would be a lowish dose of LSA.
 
Fly Agaric - Help?

Bought six fly agaric, ready to be eaten caps from an online vendor. Could someone please recommend how many to take and what sort of effects to expect? I've heard they are different from the psilocybe semilanceata mushrooms. Thanks! :)
 
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