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The Big & Dandy 6-APB Thread (Part 1)

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Xorkoth said:
The reason we do not allow any vendor discussion at all is because Bluelight is seen as a respectable place. If we start allowing talk or where and how to get drugs, versus just discussing their effects and properties, we could be shut down, or lose our reputation as a respectable site where real information can be found and trusted.

Again, no amount of arguing about it in this thread will accomplish anything except infractions. We hate to give infractions in PD and we hardly ever have to... until this 6-APB fiasco we hadn't given a single one in recent memory. But we will if vendor discussion keeps happening.

Please have fun here and discuss non-vendor aspects of 6-APB. :) And that's all.
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Shambles said:
Loads of places are selling shonky "6-APB" which frankly could be anything... except 6-APB. There are apparently Chinese synths now available but have heard nothing good about them - either out and out fakes, (possibly) 6-APDB sold under false pretences (would be good but only if they were honest about it) or very poorly synthed 6-APB that is probably best avoided until they get the synth right.
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Shambles said:
I haven't seen them yet but I'm thinking they will probably be capsule shape (could be any shape but that's what I think of as a pellet) and solid all the way through. Basically funny-shaped pills, I suppose. I'm pretty sure they will be distinctively branded to mark them out as legit... for a lil while until the copycats come out anyway
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I don't mean to have a go, but if the mods are talking about vendors and speculation then how are the other members meant to follow the rules. Even if the mods are only walking the line, it only seams to lead to other members crossing the line and out and out talking about vendors.

It is getting harder to actually know what the rules are as these posts probably would have been deleted when this thread was originally cleaned up, and probably still would be deleted if they were not written by a mod.

I don't think it is all that bad to touch on how drugs look so that people can be a bit more sure what they are actually taking, but speculation seems a bit pointless. It has been proven in this thread before that a little bit of speculation ends up with a load of vendor discussion following it.

Maybe it would just be better to not touch on details about appearance, or vendors, or pills vs powder until it actually is readily available and there are some hard facts to go on.
 
In my opinion, pointing out that powder is almost certainly fake has enough HR value to be acceptable cos fuck knows what people are being sent cos the question is asked so often - it's not just to stop people getting ripped off so much as pointing out that taking 100mg of an unknown drug that almost certainly isn't 6-APB even though it is sold under that name could be extremely dangerous. Similar with the pellets thing - the same way we have the Regional Pills thread and stuff: to differentiate the Good from the Bad. Posts that go too far down that road are removed whether made by mods or other members. And other mods can also decide to remove, for example, my posts that are too near the line - mods aren't above the rules and can overrule each other if needs be (although that would usually be dealt with through discussion and agreement behind the scenes)

Dean said:
wonder if crushing them up and snorting is effective???
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Well, as everybody who's snorted the stuff has reported either little/no effects or just plain nasty effects even from pure powder I would say no. But people obviously will anyway.
 
Well I ended up using my whole 2g sample of 'unofficial benzo' last night. Definatly not the real thing, felt to me like very weak mephedrone, although didnt taste/smell anything at all like it, but was very very very morish. What it was I dont know but could it be 6-APBD? As that is what the chemical formula read on the sachet even though it also said it was 6-APB.
 
It could not have been 6-apdb

Most likely meph cut to shit, maybe another cathinone but not 6-apdb
 
F1kus said:
Well I ended up using my whole 2g sample of 'unofficial benzo' last night. Definatly not the real thing, felt to me like very weak mephedrone, although didnt taste/smell anything at all like it, but was very very very morish. What it was I dont know but could it be 6-APBD? As that is what the chemical formula read on the sachet even though it also said it was 6-APB.
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You used a whole 2g in one night? Of an unknown powder? Jeez. I can't believe the stupidity of some people.
 
I'm no expert, but my primary concern would be dehydration since I sweated like mad throughout. Many have suggested strong possibilities of neurotoxicity if mixed with other stims, dunno how harmful that could be but I can imagine anything in excess is bad for you.
 
There is only speculation and not even much of that cos it really is all but completely unresearched. Limited safety tests are said to have taken place when it was being looked into for recreational purposes but I'm guessing they would be of the "does it kill you instantly?" type cos there's not been enough time to do any longterm research even if there was a desire to.

The speculation I've seen (perhaps unsurprisingly) is that it will be roughly as good/bad as MDMA/MDA as far as toxicity goes as it's rather closely related. There have been a few things noted by users in the tests so far that suggest although subjectively and chemically there is some correlation with MDMA/MDA there are also definite differences so there's no guarantee the safety profile will be in line either, I'd presume. Certainly no expert on such things though.

In short, nobody knows but some could probably make some educated guesses.
 
I chased some on foil and it works very similarly to chasing MDMA - effective at very low dose but also short lived and kinda fiendy. Probably won't be too pleasant trying to smoke the pellets though :D

Also, coupla posts of speculation and vendor/price bitching removed - not relevant. We're trying to keep this thread away from train wreckage and on-topic please, folks :)
 
ebola? said:
Eeeeeewww. You are odd. ;)
Why not, like, ethcathinone instead? It still acts nearly solely as an NE releaser, but it has a far higher ratio of CNS to PNS effects and far less direct adrenergic agonism than ephedrine.

Or why not bring dopamine to the party (pursuing a release profile closer to MDMA or MDA)? Is it that by avoiding such, you hope to minimize neurotoxicity?

I dunno. Almost all people find 6-apb sufficiently well rounded on its own, no stimulant desired...

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Nahh ethcathinone is illegal in the UK unfortunately, and its duration isnt tidily in sync with 6-apb's like ephedrine's is.
I find 15mg ephedrine works fine as a pick-me-up when I'm on extremely mashy MDMA crystals and I'm a diehard clubber so I'll definitely want to tweak 6-apb until it's speedy enough to go out on ;)
I would like to make it a little more dopaminergic but the only proper dopamine agonist I can get with any ease is amphetamine which just doesn't agree with me, I find even amphetamine pills with no other active ingredients far too jittery, spacey and emotionless. I hands down prefer ephedrine even though it's unpleasant on its own :D
 
Shambles said:
I chased some on foil and it works very similarly to chasing MDMA - effective at very low dose but also short lived and kinda fiendy. Probably won't be too pleasant trying to smoke the pellets though :D
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I was dumb enough to smoke some Molly in a bucket during my teenage years and apart from the absolutely fowl taste I noted no effects whatsoever.
Maybe it's different when vaping it off foil but I've been under the impression since then that MDMA is destroyed by that kind of heat?
 
Works fine on foil as mentioned. Also works in a pipe but not as well. You have much more control over temperature using tinfoil - direct flame is not so great. Vaping MDxx or indeed 6-APB is fairly shit as an ROA but it does work and occasionally has some use (topping up from slightly underdosing or to keep the buzz going a bit longer without wanting to extend it by several hours, for example).

Jamo: Your post was removed cos it's pure speculation that's been repeated endlessly already - it's irrelevant to discussion of the drug and its effects so will be removed however many times you post it.
 
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