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☛ Official ☚ The Big & Dandy 5-MeO-DMT Thread - Second Launch

Well yesterday turned into a bit of a mad bender, I completely forgot to check back in. I was a bit naughty, and while I understood and respected your advice on taking the 5-meo alone on the first attempt, things didn't quite play out that way. I started the day smoking strong number 3 (UK freebase) heroin. A couple of hours later, I plugged 144mg MDMA. I almost certainly had a small vape of hash during the earlier part of the day, don't remember when.

I hadn't touched MDMA since the New Year celebrations, and this was my first time plugging it. Dear lord, I wasn't really expecting much of a synergy between the opiate and MD, more just a positve/carefree headspace to launch from. However, I found myself in a state of bliss lying in the sun in my beautiful garden - the strong MDMA love/euphoria kept me grounded while the opiate had my mind wandering through surreal creations of the imagination. I have been out of practice of meditating frequently for over a year, but found I was able to enter a deep state of awareness of my wandering mind. (Difficult to explain, but trust me it was tits). I then had a couple of unsuccessful attempts at smoking the 5-meo off foil (yeah I know I was advised ahead of time, I got a bit arragont here). These quasi attempts were still interesting and soo sooo blissful - that tryptamine rush, the overwhelming sensations and clarity of everything. I can see how this underdosing phase could be terrifying from a sober perspective though, my blissed out launch pad probably helped a lot in keeping the vibes beautiful.

I dropped a tab of 1-p LSD at this point and got some advice at how to create a sort of chamber bong so as to collect and inhale all the smoke at once.

Well, now I've provided the background, I'm at a loss for words as how to explain the actual breakthrough. It mwas everything I had hyped it up to be and more, and the afterglow was absolutely glorious. Maybe I'll have a bash at a trip report at a later time, my mind is really not up to it now and every attempt I make just sounds unsatisfyingly cliche, with lots of allusions to "absolute unity" and other such pish that doesn't really paint a picture of my experience.

Anyway, thanks for all the advice. I found what I was looking for in this drug - a reminder of the awe and beauty of the world. I just hope I can use this experience to direct my life onto a more positive path.
 
I recently acquired some of this in hcl form; what do you estimate the life expectancy would be if kept at 73-77 degrees Fahrenheit, in an amber vial, in the dark and away from most moisture?
 
A solid amount of time. I always enjoyed this one insufflated and IM. It was much more game that way and seemed far easier to dose. I liked the slower onset and slightly longer duration. I could smoke DMT all day but 5-MeO-DMT wasnt as good like that for me at the time. I also enjoyed DMT IM. For whatever reason the majority of psychedelics/dissociatives seem to match really well with that ROA. I'd like to give smoking it a go again someday. It's not in the first line of things I seek though. Maybe someday when I have more money. I had a lot of good times insufflating it so it'd be nice to have again. It was definitely highly interesting. Its to bad they made it illegal in the US but it's not like the legality of a psychedelic ever stopped me before...
 
Thanks for the reply Help?!?! :)

I'm asking how long it will stay stable because to be honest, I'm terrified of this drug... I just knew I had to take the opportunity to get some because if it ever disappeared for good, I'd beat myself up for never having tried it. Trip reports make it out to be the experience of both utter bliss and utter terror in one emotion.
 
The good thing about these sort of tryptamine is while they cause extremely powerful trips they don't last long. I would simply suggest ramping up the dose somewhat slowly insufflated to get a feel for it. That's how I did it. I'm fairly certain it's pretty stable so I think it would lasts decent amount of time. It defintely warrants respect but insufflated it's much more tame. You can most defintely get out there by snorting a good amount but otherwise it's not like smoking it.
 
I should be acquiring a small freebase sample of this soon. I won't have much so I want to use it carefully and wisely. My plan is to do some allergy/safety testing titrating over a couple of trials up to 2mg, and then prepare for a real session after a break. Never tried it before.

I've read through most of this thread, and come to the conclusion that once I'm ready, I'd probably like to use a small amount of another psychedelic as a launch pad for this. I think a small dose of another PD will make it easier to adjust and get ready for a 5meo dmt launch.

A few PDs I'm considering for this launch pad are: 4-aco-dmt, 4-aco-met, 2c-d, 2c-e. Whichever one I choose I'll take a very light dose, eg for 4-aco-dmt around 6-10mg. Then I'll go for about 7mg with the 5-meo-dmt, after the peak of launch pad.

Wondering what experienced 5-meo-dmt users think of this, and what would be the merits of the different launch pad choices I mentioned. Also if there are other ones I didn't mention that are worth looking at.

Thanks
 
my vote goes for 2C-D and not a tryptamine which may sort of dull the experience by blending it with "generic" tryptamine-ness, maybe some ketamine. both more or less go with everything.
 
Very interested in trying this one. One thing im curious about is the reports of it being less visual than nn-dmt. Is there any aspect to 5meo-dmt that makes up for the lack of visuals? I hear its more of a "white out" rather than dmts intricate, fast paced visuals.

Also what would be a good dose to try it nasally? Ive smoked plenty of Dmt in the past and would consider myself experienced with most psychedelics.
 
don't know much of nasal use but one of these preparations made by indigenous people is insufflated (yopo?) and they snort a huge amount of plant matter that IIRC contains 5-MeO-DMT and DMT; I'm sure some Bluelighters have snorted it, perhaps the HCl; I strongly recommend smoking or i.m. though.

and no it is not very visual; it is actually a very, very different experience qualitatively than DMT; the only commonality they really share is the core DMT, similar usual RoA, and short duration. expect something totally different but as I've said many times one of the only psychedelics that I really felt approached the feeling of the "sacred." my trip report is linked a few posts back
 
Hmm interesting. I only thought about nasal because I read some reports of it being slightly more forgiving that way (as much as that is possible with such a beast).

Only one way to find out if I like this one I suppose... I'll start with a very small vaped dose and potentially explore nasal if I feel like it but im staying away from needles.
 
SKL said:
don't know much of nasal use but one of these preparations made by indigenous people is insufflated (yopo?) and they snort a huge amount of plant matter that IIRC contains 5-MeO-DMT and DMT;
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I think yopo is known to mostly contain 5-OH-DMT.
 
it is actually pretty much by far the most rewarding with to enter into the psychedelic states with many of the Shulgin drugs and similar (not to mention ketamine), 2C-x, DMT, and variously substituted-Ts (especially DMT, which doesn't usually impressed me all that much) are great i.m. it provides a gentle but fairly quick come up to a stable plateau with a pleasant fade at the end and tends to decrease GI side effects and generalized "body load," indeed I think this would probably be the best RoA for an actualized program of psychedelic psychotherapy, perhaps with a cocktail of something like 2C-D and a shorter acting asymmetrically 4- or 5- substituted tryptamine.

if I were to do psychedelic psychotherapy, which I have no interest in really, it would probably look like this, doses from my rough recollections and possibly totally inappropriate

all of these are of appropriate time lengths for billable hours for most payers

not necessarily given all at once

stage 0: 75mg ketamine, i.m.
stage I: 7-10mg 2CD, i.m.
stage Ib: add 100mg ketamine
stage II: 12mg 2CD and 40mg DMT, i.m.
stage III: 15mg and 25mg 4-HO-MiPT, i.m.
stages IIb and IIIb: add 150mg ketamine
stage IV: 200mg ketamine, 20mg 4-AcO-DMT, 20mg 2C-D, i.m.
stage aleph: all of that plus a higher doses of 4-AcO-DMT and 10ish MG of 5-MeO-DMT.

not quite serious but think about it
 
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SKL: Agreed that 2C-D should be a good platform for the 5-MeO-DMT to launch from. I think it would be a good fit because of it's shorter time frame, and the way it has a positive entactogenic warmth with very little psychedelia. I find 2C-D to be a bit like MDMA but without the forced unconditional love, which can feel artificial sometimes. 2C-D has a warmth and gentleness to it that should be great for setting up the stage for 5meo blast off.

I see some reports from MGS using psilocybin as a launching point, which makes me think 4-AcO-DMT might be good for this too. I find 4-AcO-DMT to be more peaceful, centering and sedentary than mushrooms, all of which seem conducive to this purpose. Unlike 2C-D, it has a fairly clearly defined peak, so that might make it more powerful as a tool, or maybe just more finicky to get the timing right.

I think you're on to something about going IM for therapy, would work better than oral given the timeframes for therapy sessions. Too bad a lot of people would be put off by needles, so many people are squeamish just getting an immunization, so it might put patients off to a bad start for a psychotherapy session to start out with a "scary" injection. Maybe in PD therapy, people like that could do oral doses, and hang out in a nice environment like a garden or something until the dose kicks in.

I'm not sure about some of the doses there tho, seem a bit high at the latter end of the stages, but I'm no psychedelic therapist! Maybe by the time a patient gets to stage III+ they have some tolerance too.
 
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Thanks for the reply Help?!?! :)

I'm asking how long it will stay stable because to be honest, I'm terrified of this drug... I just knew I had to take the opportunity to get some because if it ever disappeared for good, I'd beat myself up for never having tried it. Trip reports make it out to be the experience of both utter bliss and utter terror in one emotion.
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hi

i've had some in 2 different places:

- 20 celsius degrees most of the year. 2 months long summer at around 30 celsius. goes up to 40 for a few days: crystals stable for 10+ years

- 30 celsius most of the year. doesn't get cooler at night. 3 months of freaking hot 30-40 celsius: it melted on a particularly brutal hot season. it still works, but not practical to work with

both utter bliss and utter terror in one emotion
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only utter bliss :)

no, of course it's different for everyone. but there's nothing else than utter bliss for me. so not everyone gets the terror package
 
Anyone have tips for reducing the pain of insufflation with 5-meo-dmt? I have it in HCL.
Some ideas I have:

-The powder is kind of chunky so I chopped it up, maybe it needs to be chopped even finer?
-Maybe dissolve it in water or a bit of vodka and spray it in?
-Some reaction to convert it to another form (is the HCL form corrosive?)
-some numbing agent (K, lidocaine)
-grin and bear it :)

I haven't put a lot of different things up my nose, but this was the most painful thing I've ever snorted. It was very distracting for the first part of the trip, then I rinsed my sinuses out and it was fine and the trip manifested.
 
For me personally the best way to reduce the pain is to vaporize it instead. Both insufflation of the HCl and the freebase hurt like hell.
 
^^Yes but how does one vape it if they have the HCL, which seems to be the form it's around in now? Such as in my case, I have 500mg in HCL form.
 
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