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☛ Official ☚ The Big & Dandy 5-MeO-DMT Thread - Second Launch

Hey guys, first post here. Working my way through the first launch thread on 5-MeO-DMT trying to get a picture of the different ROA (first go). Sublingual HCL seems interesting but sounds like an almost unbearable taste. Rectal HCL in water sounds interesting also albeit a little experimental. Nasal HCL sounds a bit taxing for the nose but otherwise nice. Generally I'm not that drawn to methods that are somewhat unpleasant - of course sometimes there's a price to pay but I get the feeling that relaxing is very important for the 5-MeO-DMT experience so I'd rather go for a somewhat pleasant method to facilitate that. So that kinda leaves me with vaporizing I guess? Looking into getting a GVG or maybe an Arizer Extreme Q - any of you had experience with that one and 5meo?
 
In my experience you might find 5-MeO-DMT more than somewhat unpleasant, although it might very well be the complete opposite. Vaporizing seems indeed to be the most gentle way to consume it.
 
Vaporizing is the most intense way of doing it, it will rocket you up the fastest and produce the highest peak by far, which could be either good or bad. I haven't tried 5-MeO-DMT, but most people say you need to take enough to completely annihilate your ego, or else it will feel very unnerving and unpleasant. So in that sense maybe it's the best way, but on the other hand I have read reports of people IMing or snorting it and producing slower, less intense trips.
 
IM is definitely less intense mainly due to slower onset. I find milder effects relatively pleasant but ive seen peeps get very uncomfortable on this chemical at any dose. For me, Vaping can be incredibly unpleasant.
 
Would enhanced leaf (mullein) vaped or smoked have a different onset? Or would it come on just as strong as vaping freebase straight?
 
While it's a clever idea and has some good results with unsubstituted DMT (even more so as so-called "changa") I couldn't recommend doing that; the dose-response curve is too steep and the method of delivery too imprecise.
 
SKL said:
While it's a clever idea and has some good results with unsubstituted DMT (even more so as so-called "changa") I couldn't recommend doing that; the dose-response curve is too steep and the method of delivery too imprecise.
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Wouldn't it just be even easier /more precise to weigh out? Doing a mix of say 900mg Mullein & 100mg 5meo would yield 10mg 5meo pr. 100mg enhanced leaves. Shooting 1-2mg wrong (for 100mg mix) would in this instance not have significant effect on the amount of 5meo - whereas 1-2mg of pure 5meo would have an affect. Or is to do with 5meo possibly not being evenly distributed into the mullein?
 
yes, ineven distribution; same problem as with the "spice"/"k2" blends they sell; don't do it.
 
I see, thanks.. It could be done for a single dose I guess. If doing so could HCL be used or would it have to be freebase?
 
You should use freebase, but I think people vape HCL with success as well. AFAIK, the margin between vaporizing and burning is much narrower with HCL than freebase, and HCL is harder on your lungs (well I've found that to be true with DPT, can't speak firsthand for 5-MeO-DMT)
 
^ basically correct AFAIK but I've only dealt with freebase; conversion isn't too hard and the method you describe, putting it on plant matter, even for a single dose, is questionable as to what you'll actually be getting, I wouldn't recommend it at all. it works quite nicely for DMT, even DMT freebase with naptha which you soak the plant matter in and then allow to dry, but the DMT is much friendlier in a high dose situation and the margin for error is much, much larger; changa (MAOI-containing plants laced with DMT as such and smoked) is notable and special ... but an equivalent of any kind (even without the MAOIs) with a compound like 5-MeO-DMT with a dose at least an order of magnitude, closer to two, lower than DMT, is just not at all advisable
 
Thanks both.. HCL->Freebase: This method seems pretty simple. Is it advisable?

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- Carefully weight what you need with a 0,001 g scale (milligram accurate), for exemple 100 mg (so it can be anything from 8 to 20 doses of vaped 5meo depending what dose suits you or what state you want to achieve (from 5mg to 15mg generally, higher can be way too much for most poeple)

- Then dose half of what you just weight (in this exemple we choose 100mg) so 50mg sodium carbonate.
- Mix them and crush together in a spoon.
- Add enough water to cover the mix of base and tryptamine (distilled water is best so neutral pH and less impurities in end product.)
- Then warm up carefully with a lighter, it will bubble a bit as the water evaporate, as soon as it looks like wet but watery anymore, stop warming up.
- leave the wet mix to dry completely.
- Once dry I simply add water again to see if it was now insoluble and it is, so simply filter the water (which can pick up the excess sodium carbonate) and save the solid (or scrape them).
 
Excess sodium carbonate should usually be just as harmless as the tablesalt you will get in your product from doing that conversion. It would decompose when heated, yes, but just makes carbon dioxide and sodium oxide. You only don't want the sodium oxide to somehow get in you, for example if you are smoking the tryptamine hard and it produces sort of hot 'spatter' - though you don't want to inhale hot spatter either - trust me, been there. Other than that, the sodium oxide stays solid when heated and does nothing.

If you do want to get the excess sodium carbonate out, I would personally dissolve the freebase tryptamine in a non-polar solvent instead (like naphtha) - those dry a lot better than water and shouldn't dissolve the sodium carbonate as long as there is no water present. Seems easier.

Distilled water being necessary here depends on where you live and what the tap water is like. It would not be necessary here.

Methods like that work and are advisable I guess. I used to do this conversion in a much more voluminous solution and that causes the insoluble freebase trypt to float as oily stuff on top but it makes much more of a mess than just letting a little bit dry out.

It's also possible to do this with other bases I'm sure... but it would require different amounts.
 
Heh...guilty there of having been an elitist. Oh well, we all grow up. Re 5meo via IM...swear it was just as intense as smoking it...though I always made acetate from freebase. Maybe modern HCl is different?

Xorkoth said:
It seems to me it was the early wave of psychonauts, who tended to be a very spiritual lot and viewed psychedelics as sacraments and frowned upon recreational use without some sort of inner or outer exploration. You can see it in the early trip reports on Erowid, which is what subsequent generations used to learn about tripping, and they looked up to those early explorers. Unfortunately a lot of those people were pretty elitist about it, when I came to PD there was a whole contingent of old-school trippers, who were just really assholes, shaming everyone who used psychedelics to party or have a good time, shaming high school kids who'd come on and ask a basic question, etc. It was ridiculous. But yeah I think that's where the idea of "rules" came from. I think since then most people have realized that psychedelic use is a personal thing, it's what you make of it, they're not some divine sacrament, but you can view them that way and use them that way and that's cool for you, or you can use them primarily to have fun, whatever, nothing wrong with that. It's up to you. Personally in my early days I had some immensely profound and life-changing experiences and I tended to view them as sacraments, but as I've gotten older I now mostly use them to enhance certain activities such as hanging out with friends, listening to or playing music, and seeing live music or going to festivals. Sometimes for a good camping trip or day hike too. I don't go for world-shattering experiences anymore, because I've been there, I don't really need to go back, I've gotten the message several times over. But I don't necessarily agree with the old adage "get the message, hang up the phone". psychedelics are tools that have many possible applications, and I find that the way I use them now still brings beneficial value to my life, so I continue to use them.
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morninggloryseed said:
Heh...guilty there of having been an elitist. Oh well, we all grow up. Re 5meo via IM...swear it was just as intense as smoking it...though I always made acetate from freebase. Maybe modern HCl is different?
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^ maybe our brains are just old now? drugs always did seem better when I was younger ... drugs in general ... I know many people share that same sentiment

I, too, transformed from élitist to realist to cynic over the years, about many things, drugs and a fortiori the drug scene, which would include these "rules" and ideal "higher purpose" to tripping etc., well, that the most of all, that would really be evident to anyone who read my posts over the past decade

I lol @ the fact that we agree/share similar tastes on just about everything drug-related we've ever discussed and other things but of course are violently disagreeing about some other shit somewhere else
 
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My politics always has been against the grain around here. I still love ya even if you say silly things in other places. ?

SKL said:
I lol @ the fact that we agree/share similar tastes on just about everything drug-related we've ever discussed and other things but of course are violently disagreeing about some other shit somewhere else
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I'm not close behind you. And people tell me I look younger, too. Except I have kinda fucked up teeth, one of the parts of you that drugs aren't kind to generally speaking ... Dope definitely has this tendency to kind of preserve looks but also make you look a certain way (particular women, I think it's a bone structure vs body fat distribution thing) which I avoided by just getting fat instead :p

Love ya too bro
 
Skinny as a rail and perfect teeth. OK love fest over..gotta earn a living.

[quite=SKL;13877960]I'm not close behind you. And people tell me I look younger, too. Except I have kinda fucked up teeth, one of the parts of you that drugs aren't kind to generally speaking ... Dope definitely has this tendency to kind of preserve looks but also make you look a certain way (particular women, I think it's a bone structure vs body fat distribution thing) which I avoided by just getting fat instead :p

Love ya too bro[/QUOTE]
 
Solipsis said:
Excess sodium carbonate should usually be just as harmless as the tablesalt you will get in your product from doing that conversion. It would decompose when heated, yes, but just makes carbon dioxide and sodium oxide. You only don't want the sodium oxide to somehow get in you, for example if you are smoking the tryptamine hard and it produces sort of hot 'spatter' - though you don't want to inhale hot spatter either - trust me, been there. Other than that, the sodium oxide stays solid when heated and does nothing.

If you do want to get the excess sodium carbonate out, I would personally dissolve the freebase tryptamine in a non-polar solvent instead (like naphtha) - those dry a lot better than water and shouldn't dissolve the sodium carbonate as long as there is no water present. Seems easier.

Distilled water being necessary here depends on where you live and what the tap water is like. It would not be necessary here.

Methods like that work and are advisable I guess. I used to do this conversion in a much more voluminous solution and that causes the insoluble freebase trypt to float as oily stuff on top but it makes much more of a mess than just letting a little bit dry out.

It's also possible to do this with other bases I'm sure... but it would require different amounts.
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Thanks Solipsis! So just to make sure I understand you correctly: in the last step you add naphtha instead of water and filter the excess solid sodium carbonate and then evaporate?
 
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