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Tryptamines The Big & Dandy 5-MeO-DiPT Thread

I don't think it works for all tryptamines, but I know it works for 5-meo-dipt. And yes, I would definitely wait till the ammonia evaporates before smoking
 
I wonder if there's a way to freebase phenethylamines... smoked 2C-E could be interesting *shrugs*

But why on earth would you want to smoke 5-MeO-DiPT? I coudn't imagine that being very pleasant...
 
I wouldn't smoke 5-MeO-DiPT, personally. But if you're set on it, go ahead... but be sure to report to us about it, as I've never heard of such a method of administration for it.

The way to convert any alkaloid salt to freebase (tryptamine or phenethylamine) is to dissolve the salt in distilled water (so chlorine and others from tap water don't break it down), and slowly add a base to it. Ammonia must be a base although I wasn't aware it was. Sodium hydroxide (lye) is the most often used base for this. When you add it (drop by drop so you don't overreact it) to a solution of salts (which are formed when an acid attaches to the freebase molecule) it causes the substance to revert back to freebase.

Likewise, you can convert a freebase to a salt by dropping some acid (like hydrochloric, which will form the HCL salt) into water with the freebase floating in it.

But be careful with phenethylamines... many if not all of them are caustic oils in their freebase form.
 
Wow, thanks for the info, Xor! This could come in handy!

Double thanks for the info about phens turning into caustic oils. That doesn't sound good. :)
 
Say someone got a gram of this stuff (5-meo-dipt hcl)...

I am very experienced with a VAST amount a research chemicals, but I never had the chance to try this one until yesterday. I took 15mg to get a feel for it, a safe low/medium dose.. I noticed like almost threshold effects. Like, i had a tryptamine body bake (giggly and "the feeling"), no visuals, some stimulation, no insight, quite boring actually (I did it alone so erotic was not on my mind). It was not what I wanted.

I want to trip, not just have "general tryptamine stimulation". How much should I increase the dose next time so that the effects will be much more pronounced/prominent, possibly leading to at least a +2.5 on the Shulgin scale? 25mg? 30mg? Less? Should I try intranasal administration? What dose should I start at if I did that?

Also, what about IV administration? I've heard of it being done at 4-5 mg with nothing but good feedback. I know how to IV and I have sterile syringes and I know what I'm doing. What would be the IV dose of this substance, approximately? 3-6mg? Someone please help me.
 
Orally I find 20mg of the pure compound to be physically very uncomfortable already. As you say, there is little if any insight and yes, it is quite boring too.

Only place it shines is the realm of the erotic (tactile enhancement, delayed orgasm etc) and in Nature (I found the grass and the trees and the flowers to be outstanding even though everyhting looked quite normal). It's not trippy visuals but there is a bit of concept confusion (is the reflection the object or is it not? etc.) and it seems that the substance allowed me to feel the plants differently. They seemed more alive even though they looked the same except for some mild colour enhancement and contour sharpness.

Def. not ma favourite tryptamine. Didn't like what it does physically, and actually it made me feel kinda stupid, like my mind had been totally flabbergasted and impaired by the compound. This remained for a few days and then lifted.
 
Do your reading.

This chemical has a pretty severe dose/response curve, like most 5-MeOs do.

Just because 15mg felt like threshold doesn't mean shooting for 25mg next is a good idea. Ramp up slowly with this one because there are more than 2 or 3 reports of people losing their minds on it.
 
Xorkoth said:
Sodium hydroxide (lye) is the most often used base for this.
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No, baking soda is the most often used to convert a salt to a base. Its simple and makes such a smooth smoking mixture (with DPT at least). YMMV with 5-meo-DiPT (yuck smoking it??!?!?).

Using Lye you threaten overshooting the mark and having unreacted lye in the solution (which could make for a very harsh if not dangerous smoke).
 
In my experiences many years ago, this is how I found the dosage range

10mg = nice body buzz, feels like a good mdma pill
20mg = definitely have the tryptamine mindfuck, good body buzz, some audio distortion
30mg = total mind fuck, cannot understand any spoken words...basically isolated from interacting with anyone else

I never really got visuals from 5-meo-dipt, although I rarely ever get visuals get tryptamines period. Even large doses of 4ho-dmt or LSD produce only mental effects, not visual. YMMV.

As for smoking it, I did that a few times just to try it out, it tasted god awful but it seemed to eliminate most of the stomach discomfort related to the 5ht receptors in the gut that the 5-meo's love to latch onto
 
If you've got a gram, why not boost it to 20mg and see how you handle that... Seriously, don't take blind jumps with dose on this one... Everyone 5-MeO I've ever done has a pretty steep dose/response curve... and since we're talking about a tryptamine here, its not going to be as forgiving if you overshoot the dose.
 
I read back and saw some mentions of rectal administration for this substance, but nothing concete was ever really said. Anyone who has tried it, how much would you say the dosage was reduced, and was it worth doing? I found 5-MeO-DiPT to be decent, years ago... a little rough, but pleasant. I'm wondering if rectal administration makes it gentler like it does for so many others. And I'm also curious as to how much it reduces the required dosage.
 
Be careful on dosage. I took 11mg my first time thinking I was a hardhead and it floored me, and I wished I hadn't taken that much. With this one, more is less. many find 6-8mg plenty effective including me.
 
With rectal dosing I found you need 2/3 to 3/4 the oral dose. I usually took 15mg orally, so 11.25mg worked well rectally. I dissolved that in 5.0ml of dH2O and put it into my rectal cavity with a needleless syringe. Comeup was very rapid, usually within 15 minutes.
Nausea is practically eliminated via this route I found, due to the lack of 5-HT receptor activation in the gut.
 
Then you probably want to try something else. 5-MeO-DiPT isn't that kind of material. There is little sensory effect until you get to very high dosages...at which point the body-load becomes very uncomfortable. The effects you describe (body-high, boredom, etc) is about how I'd describe it as well.

psilocybonaut said:
Say someone got a gram of this stuff (5-meo-dipt hcl)...

I am very experienced with a VAST amount a research chemicals, but I never had the chance to try this one until yesterday. I took 15mg to get a feel for it, a safe low/medium dose.. I noticed like almost threshold effects. Like, i had a tryptamine body bake (giggly and "the feeling"), no visuals, some stimulation, no insight, quite boring actually (I did it alone so erotic was not on my mind). It was not what I wanted.

I want to trip, not just have "general tryptamine stimulation". How much should I increase the dose next time so that the effects will be much more pronounced/prominent, possibly leading to at least a +2.5 on the Shulgin scale? 25mg? 30mg? Less? Should I try intranasal administration? What dose should I start at if I did that?

Also, what about IV administration? I've heard of it being done at 4-5 mg with nothing but good feedback. I know how to IV and I have sterile syringes and I know what I'm doing. What would be the IV dose of this substance, approximately? 3-6mg? Someone please help me.
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I tried 8mg rectally yesterday and had a surpringly enjoyable experience... really nice. It had a sort of pushy euphoria that reminded me more of MDMA than anything else but methylone. Nice stuff... no real side effects with rectal dosage either. It definitely made me hot though... it felt much more like a stimulant than almost any other psychedelic I've tried.

If I had more, I'd do it again from time to time. It was quite euphoric, really. Enjoyable all around, although useless aside from recreation.

Also, it made my hearing shift down as DiPT does, except much less dramatically and still in-tune. But it was more significant than I expected... familiar music sounded totally unfamiliar because it was all being heard in a different key. And oddly, but mind was still imagining music in the proper key, but when I'd go to sing it, it would come out shifted down! Hard to wrap my head around that.
 
I noted significant auditory distortion with 11mg (orally) of this material, but none with 6mg or 8mg. 5-MeO-DiPT and DiPT are the only two psychedelics (I've tried) that do this.
 
A friend and I each ate 5mg of foxy at 9pm the other evening. Neither of us had done any RC before, though we had done other stuff at various times in our lives, so we wanted to play it safe. To say the experience was underwhelming would be an understatement.

We peaked after an hour where we found ourselves at a dinner party with heaps of strangers and it became rather difficult to maintain a conversation and we were both aware our pupils were dilated and we were jittery and couldn't sit or stand still. We made a lame excuse and left and ended up walking several km around town. I made a brief stop at a hotel to take a dump, only to realize that I only felt like I had to take a dump. Very uncomfortable. My friend tried to talk me into taking another 5mg with him, but I declined, so he smoked a joint instead.

We then headed to a casino bar and watched a band, and at the baccarat table just behind us a very serious looking Chinese gangster-dude sat down and laid over half a million dollars cash on the table and proceeded to loose it all. We both agreed that was one of those crazy things that you only witness when you're tripping.

We never experienced any CEV or audio enhancements or distortions, no insightful observations, no paranoia though, and my concentration level was not too sharp at times. I felt like I'd just drank 20 cups of coffee - and couldn't stop twitching before I finally got to sleep about 4:30am. The next day I still had some twitches which went away by the afternoon but no other effects.

The trip was rather boring for both of us, and a little uncomfortable for me. We both felt like we were on the edge of experiencing something interesting, but 5mg just didn't get us over that edge. I'll give it a shot at maybe 10mg next time, but I'm in no hurry to do it again.
 
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