Tryptamines The Big & Dandy 5-MeO-DiPT Thread

[Jabberwocky]

but you would agree there are a few similarities, yes? I find the tactile enhancement of both of them to be quite similar (5-meo-MiPT being superior though).

 

[invert]

Also, it made my hearing shift down as DiPT does, except much less dramatically and still in-tune. But it was more significant than I expected... familiar music sounded totally unfamiliar because it was all being heard in a different key.

Has anyone experienced a dose of 5-MeO-DiPT that has gone further than this, auditorily? In other words, sufficient distortion that things sound out of tune? Is there vocoding or wobbliness in sounds? Any closed-ear audials (i.e. sounds heard in silence)?

And oddly, but mind was still imagining music in the proper key, but when I'd go to sing it, it would come out shifted down! Hard to wrap my head around that.

This is very interesting indeed, and something I'd love to test at some point in a controlled experiment. Can you say whether you've had this experience on DiPT as well? I don't know enough about the neural underpinnings of auditory perception and singing; but this sounds like the alteration may be at a level of representation accessible to both perception and motor production. This observation of yours could be very significant in working out how (at a neural level) 5-MeO-DiPT (and DiPT, if it applies to DiPT as well) does what it does to auditory perception.

 

[Xorkoth]

I have not experienced anything at all like DiPT's audio effects from 5-MeO-DiPT. I find the two drugs almost completely dissimilar. 5-MeO-DiPT produced the lightest of "level 1" effects (by your definition) of DiPT's audio distortion at the most. It was just a down-shifting of pitch a step or two. It never reached any sort of dischordance at all... everything stayed in relative pitch.

And yes, I have had the experience on DiPT (every time in fact) of imagining music in the key I am used to hearing it in but when I go to sing (I am a very good singer... I hit whatever note I mean to without any sort of thought or self-correction), it comes out in the different pitch, but it feels correct. And when singing along to music that sounds shifted down, music that I am used to singing or humming to in the regular key, it would come out effortlessly in the key shifted down key, even though I'd be imagining it the same way.

It was a bit of a mindfuck to me at the time, especially considering DiPT is quite the mental psychedelic as well. Actually the mental effects seemed to directly stem from the fact that everything seemed simultaneously normal and wildly altered.

 

[invert]

I have not experienced anything at all like DiPT's audio effects from 5-MeO-DiPT. I find the two drugs almost completely dissimilar. 5-MeO-DiPT produced the lightest of "level 1" effects (by your definition) of DiPT's audio distortion at the most. It was just a down-shifting of pitch a step or two. It never reached any sort of dischordance at all... everything stayed in relative pitch.

Ah, okay... and I'm getting the impression that, even if much higher doses of 5-MeO-DiPT could take one further auditorily, the stimulation etc could make that undesirable?

And yes, I have had the experience on DiPT (every time in fact) of imagining music in the key I am used to hearing it in but when I go to sing (I am a very good singer... I hit whatever note I mean to without any sort of thought or self-correction), it comes out in the different pitch, but it feels correct. And when singing along to music that sounds shifted down, music that I am used to singing or humming to in the regular key, it would come out effortlessly in the key shifted down key, even though I'd be imagining it the same way.

It was a bit of a mindfuck to me at the time, especially considering DiPT is quite the mental psychedelic as well. Actually the mental effects seemed to directly stem from the fact that everything seemed simultaneously normal and wildly altered.

This is so very interesting. And indeed quite a mindfuck to think about, even not having experienced it (not having ever sung while on DiPT (I've no idea why I haven't!)). I thought I understood what you were describing, but the implications are quite confusing, and I'm having a hard time understanding what it means...

Let's say the piece is in C, and you have a 1 semitone pitch drop. So, objectively it's in C, and you perceive it as being in B. If the relationship between your motor representation of the piece and the sounds you objectively produced with your vocal cords were unchanged, and you were activating the motor representations in the (objectively) normal key of C (regardless of the fact that you were hearing a piece in B), then that would result in you singing objectively (and subjectively) in tune with the piece: objectively in C, subjectively in B.

But this, although it would account for your experience behaviourally; I don't think it works as an explanation, because I don't think it would be an easy matter at all to sing what you think will come out in C when you're hearing something in B. I've never tried to do that (on or off DiPT), and maybe an accomplished singer would find it easier (or harder? I don't know), but I can't imagine it being an effortless experience, even if the sensory feedback of your 'C' were 'B'.

Unless... okay, need to break this down further. 1) Sound in the world (recorded piece) --> 2) vibrations in ear --> 3) coded for frequency in auditory cortex --> 4) selection of motor response (i.e. frequency to sing) --> 5) activation of motor response (vocal cords adjusted appropriately) --> 6) Sound in the world (singing).

So what we know is that (sticking with the piece being in C, for the sake of argument), 1 and 6 were in C (because, for your singing to sound in tune to you, it'd have to be objectively in the same key). Unless physiological changes are proposed, so were 2 and 5. By your report of the pitch shift, we know 3 is in B. You believe you were selecting the motor response for the pitch the piece was normally in (so your representation of that pitch needs to go into the process as well, feeding into 4), so 4 is in C. And there's an additional offshoot to the process, as 5 will produce motor-feedback (efferent copy) to allow you to monitor performance directly (rather than through sensory feedback alone). I'd be interested to know whether you can disambiguate further the efference from the motor command: in other words, when you say it felt correct (despite sounding in B), do you mean that you were selecting the normal (in C) notes to sing, or that it felt like you were singing in C when you actually produced the note (despite sounding in B)? Or both?

Leaving aside having a piece whose key is known to you and with which you are familiar, what would your experience be on being played a single note and asked to sing it? If the result were similar to when the piece is known, you should select the note objectively a semitone above the perceived note, and they'd be objectively and subjectively in tune. Having ruled out the representation of the song itself, that would place the alteration at the level of the selection of motor command, and possibly with the efferent copy too.

Oh, but that wouldn't work, to the extent that you have absolute pitch (and I'm guessing, even if you don't have perfect pitch, you have fairly good perception of absolute pitchclass). So even a single note could be as familiar as a song, in that respect. This would be easier to disambiguate on a reasonable singer with good relative pitch production and appalling absolute pitch perception, maybe.

Yep, I'm confuzzled and fascinated by the question of how 5-MeO-DiPT and DiPT affect singing and perception of self singing.



ETA: Another thought on this: it would be interesting to know how far into a DiPT or 5-MeO-DiPT experience this effect is found... immediately, or only after a while, or initially but not forever. I wonder this, out of analogy with the extensively studied phenomenon of adaptation to spatial misalignment...

When one's vision is distorted by prism-goggles, such that everything visually appears shifted to the left of where it really is (equivalent: pitch is shifted down); it's really weird to start with: you can try to point straight ahead (equivalent: trying to sing a C, say), and you will objectively point straight ahead (you really are singing a C) and it will feel as if you are pointing straight ahead (it feels like you're singing in the normal key of C), but you will see your arm pointing to the left (you'll hear a B)...

After a while, though, your perception alters, with the end result being that - when you try to point straight ahead (try to sing a C) - you will actually point to the right of straight ahead (objectively sing a C-sharp) - but it will feel as if you are pointing straight ahead (it'll feel as if you're singing a C) and you will see your arm pointing straight ahead (you'll hear a C). In other words, as far as you're concerned, the experience is normal again.

I'm not sure which, if either, of these stages of prism-exposure (initial direct effects and adaptation) your experience is equivalent to; but it would be very interesting to know whether the experience changes after enough time singing while on DiPT, or if it starts off one way, and turns into the other.


(... of course, this isn't quite equivalent to your singing along experience; rather, the 'pointing straight ahead' task is equivalent to someone with good absolute pitch production trying to sing a C, without any reference point; whereas singing along to a song (or a heard note) is equivalent to pointing to a visual target, since your action is guided by a (shifted) target.)

ETA: (Sorry, this post's getting awful long...) Also, I left out the complexities of which modality shifts (vision or arm/motor; hearing or singing) in adaptation, since it practically makes little difference (you need relatively subtle techniques to see which has happened) and there's no consensus on what determines it, even in prism adaptation.

 

[Dr.DOB]

i had 69 on foxy methoxy today for my first time and it was simply amazing
felt much like the comeup on acid
very similar

 

[d-Dexter-25]

Some people talk shit about it and yes I did have the worst trip ever on an overdose of it but i've come to a conclusion... with 5-MeO-DiPT the 8-12mg dosage range is key and for rave events it trumps even MDMA especially if your with a girl and you two have chemistry then WOW is all I can say talk about euphoria and empathy!!! Basically used in the right dosage in the right setting with the right person it can be one of the best substances peroid!!! However taking a high dose like over 25mg to try and trip well yes you trip in a very LSD like way but the sensory distortions become too much and lead to freakouts easy cause the same sensory enhancement that it has is amplified many times over in high doses which can be really unpleasant.

The right dose though with a girl you have feelings for there is nothing better and also its great for dancing and glowsticking too!!!

 

[NexusRex]

Foxy?

I haven't run into this substance yet and i've been seaching for quite some time now. I've heard that its like a tryptamine version of 2c-b, which greatly interests me. I've been told that it is pretty difficult to make so therefore other things are made in place of it. Any thoughts or experiences?

 

[Solipsis]

Merged. Ventilate your thoughts and feelings on foxy methoxy 5-MeO-DiPT!

 

[NexusRex]

Merged. Ventilate your thoughts and feelings on foxy methoxy 5-MeO-DiPT!

thanks for bearing with me as i get used to using these forums.

 

[Solipsis]

No problem whatsoever, I welcome you to look around on your own time. This index is a very important one for the biggest threads, some of them are starting to grow subthreads as well. Many topics are already covered so you can participate with a frame of reference Try the search function as well.
Cya

 

[khem]

Thinking of trying this substance with my girl for the first time today.
I am thinking of a 10mg oral dose. I have heard from someone experienced with this compound that insufflation is the best ROA, because oral causes too many GI problems. Can anyone confirm this? I know there GI problems in some users. But would insufflation lead to less negative side effects (with the stomach)? And if so, how does the dosage correspond between oral and insufflated? If I want a 10mg oral dose, how much should be insufflated?


Should I just go oral? Also, is it better to fast prior to consume or eat a little something. If so when should last food intake be prior to dosing?

Thanks for answering some ?'s

I will post my thoughts of foxy after trial.

 

[Xorkoth]

I wouldn't recommend insufflation, as this is a pretty stimulating compound which has caused some deaths. I'd stick to oral... it works quickly and efficiently that way.

It's best to have an empty stomach. I don't necessarily think it's ever good to completely fast because it's good to have nutrition in your body to trip, rather than being starved of food for longer than necessary. But an empty stomach is essential for the most complete absorption of any drug.

 

[Mjäll]

Anyone got some fresh comparison between 5-MeO-DiPT and 5-MeO-MiPT to share? Only tried the latter myself.

 

[ungelesene_bettlek]

5-MeO-DiPT is more euphoric and erotic than 5-MeO-MiPT to me. luckily, foxy gives me no bad side effects that lots of people are complaining about.

 

[cuddlefish*]

Hello! I've been coming here for a while now and this is my first, maybe of many, posts!

Love to BlueLight, there's nothing else like it and this site is incredibly valuable.

This stuff is great in my mind and I really miss it. I got no negative effects really from 5-meo-dipt.

On oral doses of 20 Mg's there was usually a point where the body buzz would get so intense that I would have to lay down for ten minutes or so. Oral effects for me were:
Strong and pleasant body buzz, clear head, some audio pitch-lowering, unique but mild visuals and alot of fun! No side effects for me at this MoA.

I smoked it quite a bit more than I ate it in the 6-8 Mg range. This was my favorite way to use it, often on week nights because it came on and left so quickly. It would usually leave me with a slight headache but nothing that would keep me from doing it several times a week!
Smoked the 5-meo-dipt gave me a simply beatufil trypamine buzz with no other real effects but I never pushed the dose.

As far as the sexual effects of this drug I can only comment on the smoked route as I didn't have a partner while I was eating it.
I don't know about you guys but I found this stuff to have a very powerful and unique sexual effect. Almost immediately after smoking a hit I would get a monsterous boner! There was some tactile enhancement, sex was really great but not especially better than some others. One thing though is that it would make me cum HARD. HARD!!!! I would also continue with the 'spasm' part of the orgasm long after the juice had run out. It was almost disturbing!
I like sex better on 2-c's and E (can't come on E but the boner works just fine) but the 'gasm from this stuff is the strongest I've ever encountered.
Also, I can see how it might get a great sexual reputation beyond just my reaction simply based on the fact that you even CAN cum on it. I can't get it up on mushrooms and can't nut on LSD or MDMA.

I noticed another poster mentioning visuals at the "angles of objects". I got this effect from it. Anywhere corners would meet they would have angular fractal explosions coming out of them with a look that reminded me of LSD. I also got LSD-like strange attractor-fractal eyballs with this stuff but they were always very small compared to other tryps that give me this effect.

Wish I could get some more! Very light and recreational, not deep at all. Great material for anything sensual. Hot tubbing, playing music, fucking, walking (except for the couch lockey peak).
Cheers!

 

[chemanthonys69]

Ive had a unpleasent experience every time ive done this substance. The first time It was so auditorly hallucinationed that I couldn't really enjoy it. It was pretty cool i guess to hear a robot symphony. other than that I really didn't like it. This coming from someone who enjoys tripping in almost every other aspect. My second and final experience with foxy was about the same. robot voices very little visuals.. Maybe if it were more visual for me I might enjoy it. IDK my second experience I also had an insane bodyload and cramping afterwords.
Dosing
first time= 30mg
second= roughly 40ish give or take.

 

[ungelesene_bettlek]

Ive had a unpleasent experience every time ive done this substance. The first time It was so auditorly hallucinationed that I couldn't really enjoy it. It was pretty cool i guess to hear a robot symphony. other than that I really didn't like it. This coming from someone who enjoys tripping in almost every other aspect. My second and final experience with foxy was about the same. robot voices very little visuals.. Maybe if it were more visual for me I might enjoy it. IDK my second experience I also had an insane bodyload and cramping afterwords.
Dosing
first time= 30mg
second= roughly 40ish give or take.

I think you are talking about DiPT and not 5-MeO-DiPT (foxy).

 

[csrpj]

what's the short-term tolerance like? how much should one wait in between trips to have the effect back? what about redosing after the comedown - how would that work out?

what about long-term tolerance? is it like acid/shrooms/mescaline where you don't get the tolerance given you wait, or like MDMA or DXM where the magic is gone forever?

 

[dropsonde]

this RC seems like it would be fun at a rave in lower doses (little to no nausea and body load, plus it doesnt last too long) How is the cross tolerance with MDMA? Could you mix it with MDMA or would that be a no-no?

 

[Delsyd]

this was a popular combo back when foxy was popular.

Be sure to take a lower dose of each than you normally would as they will potentiate each other.