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Tryptamines The Big & Dandy 5-MeO-DALT Thread - Part 2

After reading about this chem I am interested in vaporization. I have the HCl salt available to me. Can I vape that? Or do I have to convert it to freebase?
 
Out of all the chems, I find myself craving this one most. I've been chem-free for a couple of weeks, and I'm going to make a call to Mike E. Oldes-Dalton.

has anyone tried to combine 5-meo-dalt with 6 or 5 apb? would you get a similar effect to a candyflip (mdma + lsd)

As a matter of fact, I did -- and it was great. See my trip report: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/...IENCED-quot-Let-the-Buzz-Find-the-Groove-quot

Never candy-flipped, so I can't answer that.
 
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As this is my first post, I'd like to pass along some of my advice when dealing with any such experiments.

1) You can always add more, you can Never take back.
2) Don't eyeball quantities. Spend the 20 bucks to get a scale.
3) Don't take anything without careful study and consideration of other factors.

You get the idea.

There have been mention of nootropic like affects from other sources I must agree.
Though the measurements were higher than normal (100mg+) orally, (I don't recommend unless you are experienced)
It may be possible to enhance this nootropic effect by adjusting the compound slightly, and/or perhaps even a highly controlled time released version.

Indications of affects were quite impressive. (6-8hr) 4 of which at a true +4. I strongly believe this compound has true potential with proper and careful research.

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The very young do not always do as they are told.
 
can anyone please tell me if the hcl can be smoked / chased ?

obvs i could just try myself...just dont fancy dumping acidic smoke in my poor ol lungs if there is no point or some risks im not aware of

thanks
 
obvs i could just dont fancy dumping acidic smoke in my poor ol lungs if there is no point or some risks im not aware of

thanks

Anytime you ingest anything similar to this in anyfway, you're already Taking said risks.

from what I can gather, it depends.

Figure it out.
I've got faith in you
 
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Both the hydrochloride salt and freebase forms of 5-MEO-DALT will vaporize and will have psychoactive effects if inhaled.

Keep in mind that the hydcrochloride salt has approx 12% less active 5-MEO-DALT by weight than the freebase when considering dosages.
 
Both the hydrochloride salt and freebase forms of 5-MEO-DALT will vaporize and will have psychoactive effects if inhaled.

Keep in mind that the hydcrochloride salt has approx 12% less active 5-MEO-DALT by weight than the freebase when considering dosages.
from my experience, the hydrochloride salts of tryptamines can be vaporized, but of course freebase is to preferred for this ROA. when vaporizing tryptamine HCl salts, part of it will burn, resulting in material loss and harsh smoke.

that being said, I have already successfully vaporized 5-MeO-DALT HCl, but because of the mentioned problems, I did not push the dose very far; thus the effects were nothing to write home about.
 
Yesterday M received 2 grams of 5-Methoxy-DALT HCl and dosed with it several times. M feel's the strong need to weigh in on this chemical because of all the people who said it lacks a strong visual component. It seems many people's doses are not large enough to bring out the wonderful visual and truly psychedelic properties of this great drug. M started off with a line weighing 45 mg thinking he would need a second to get visuals. Initially there was no burn, but after 5 min. when it it his throat there was an intense burning sensation. Then BAM! M could hardly stand as he smoked my cigarette and began to enter visual land. The earth was breathing with him. Every wall turned to a rubbery material that was moving quickly inward and outward as if they were lungs. As M went into to my room geometric patterns emerged everywhere! He got up close to the wall and stood up against them watching the insane patterns form and change. He had rented Django the night before but only watched half so M started it back up. Holy shit! The movie was beyond amazing sober, but watching the second half's gunfights & and thick plot and action at Candyland was orgasmic on 5-MeO-Dalt! Intense visuals lasted for about 45 minutes before beginning to decline. After about 2 hours M was becoming rapidly sober to the point it felt like I hadn't even taken a drug. M doses 20 mg orally, then 40 min. later another 10 mg sublingually and this brought him back to a beautiful, psychedelic state of mind but with far more mild visuals than before, like that of a good aMT trip. This drug also brought about a great sexual nature as well a strong entactogen state, not unlike MDMA. M bought 500 mg of aMT and received 840 mg of aMT freebase (crazy they sent him 300+ free mg) and 5-MeO-DALT blew aMT out of the water! Lately, the HCl salt is becoming rarer and the freebase is more available. M definitely prefers the HCl salt because he finds insufflation to be the most visual route with a dissociative empathogen aspect, needing only about 25 mg to do so . M highly recommends it at doses of 30-60 mg orally for those who want a more mellow trip with milder visuals and more grip on one's self. For psychedelic drug lovers, like M's self, he recommend 50-80 mg orally as this induces potent visuals and various types of hallucinations including wild visuals somewhat like shrooms. On one occasion M vaporized about 8-12 mg of the HCl on some cannabis and the effects were a bit speedier. They included a semi-rapid heart rate, a strange psychedelic glow on objects but not visuals, and a stronger dissociative effect. If one obtained several grams of freebase and wanted to convert it to the HCl salt it would be pretty simple and M, who loves chemistry plans on doing it. Hope my buddy M's been able to shed some light of this most delightful chemical...
 
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This is a useless chemical in my opinion. Slight stimulation, feel like your coming up but nothing happens.

Man, I couldn't disagree more! This chem has awesome hallucinogenic qualities and is a rather euphoric and empathogenic compound, imo.
 
Man, I couldn't disagree more! This chem has awesome hallucinogenic qualities and is a rather euphoric and empathogenic compound, imo.

It`s pretty well doccumented that 5 meo dalt doesn`t work with everyone!

Strange but true.
 
My first post,

My roommate and I ordered a gram of 5-MeO-DALT from a trusted online vendor in HCL form, after collecting our research notes we invited over trusted friends who joined in the testing seasons.

Test 1, 70mg Orally ingested.
Subject has no heath issues and has plenty of Hallucinogen experience.
Complaints about stomach pain, laying on his back makes the pain go away. Listening to music is very easy and the listener finds pleasure in the music.
Reports +.

Test 2, 70mg Orally, 20mg Nasal Insufflation.
Subject has a chronic pain disorder, Caution is used during this test.
Complaints about whole body pain, finds pleasure in music but the pain makes the whole experience undesirable. User drinks plenty of water and the pain subsides.
Reports +.

Test 3, 70mg Orally.
Subject has no known heath issues, however user has drug abuse issues that effect his day to day life.
Slight closed eye visuals, music is pleasurable and the user spends a hour listening to music on his headphones, having no desire to talk to the rest of the group.
Reports ++.

Test 4, 70mg Orally, 70mg Orally.
Subject has no known heath issues.
No effects.
Reports +/-.

On his second dose user decides to distance himself from the group. He takes a walk and returns 20 minutes later. He reports no visuals but found conversation meaningless at the time, and needed some fresh air. This is out of character,
Reports +.

Few notes where made on this substance by our group, there wasn't any clear effects of the drug other then on Test 2, where the users tolerance to pain dropped, thus causing his chronic pain disorder to act up. Has anyone else experienced pain while on 5-MeO-DALT? It'll be pointless to get everyone together again to test this drug once more, nobody really felt any connection between how they felt and the drug.
 
^really strange reports, i'd seriously question the quality of the 5-meo-dalt; or maybe chalk it off to this certain drugs variable character?

30mg orally produces intense vibing body rushes and intertwines with strange rushes of energy throughout the body; that if focused upon become euphoric
and psychedelic. On 4 different friends or so 25-35mg produces very desirable results, especially for dancing or seeing live music.

pretty cool compound, it has it's own special place in the cornucopia of psychedelia
 
really strange reports, i'd seriously question the quality of the 5-meo-dalt; or maybe chalk it off to this certain drugs variable character? ... pretty cool compound, it has it's own special place in the cornucopia of psychedelia

Quality may be questionable, though the vendor I work with has in the past been of best quality. Perhaps I'll need to dive into this substance again and give it another shot, though I won't make the order for a while.
 
20.8 mg of 5-MeO-DALT (confirmed by NMR) gave me nothing that couldn't have been placebo.
 
20.8 mg of 5-MeO-DALT (confirmed by NMR) gave me nothing that couldn't have been placebo.

Ill assume you mean dosing orally... i believe you. If you're experienced in psychs, you need to at least double your dose. Some say more. Also this compound doesn't seem to work for everyone either.
 
That was my impression too, I was just posting in response to psyke to demonstrate that even confirmed 5-MeO-DALT is impotent in at lease some users.
 
Has anyone tried vaporizing a combination of this and 5-MEO-MIPT? I obviously need to sample some of this on its own first but from my experiences with 5-MIPT and from what I here about 5-DALT there seems to be potential for some great synergy.
 
That was my impression too, I was just posting in response to psyke to demonstrate that even confirmed 5-MeO-DALT is impotent in at lease some users.

True, but you dosed 20mg, and his doses were all ~70mg; also in my post i stated at least 25mg is needed to garner significant psychedelic effects, and 35mg is recommended.

I'm pretty confident you'd feel some rushing body feelings if/when you ever attempt 5-meo-dalt again at 30mg+,
please report back if you do because i'd be interested either way!
 
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