The Big & Dandy 4-HO-MET Thread

[Delsyd]

you only need a larger dose if you want a real trip.

you can still achieve your usual 5 meo mipt effects from smoking lower doses (6-10mg)

likewise you can eat a larger dose of 5 meo mipt and achieve stong psychedelic effects that way aswell.

 

[Groovstarr]

Would someone tell me the diff between 4-ho-met HCl and fumarate ?

From what I gather it is despatched as fumarate for it preserving properties. Is this correct?

Would the dosages be different?
Currently 20 - 25mg of HCl is very nice indeed. How would fumarate differ?

 

[UnfortunateSquid]

Fumarate is roughly 75% as potent (I did work it out but I can't be bothered doing so again, it was in that region though), so 20mg HCl = 25mg fumarate, more or less.

Has anyone's 4-ho-met HCl degraded? My fumarate is fine after 5-6 months of sitting about in fridges and drawers in equal measure.

 

[Ne0]

You sure the insomnia doesn't come from the trip itself and the experiences? Or just as a side effect, regardless of method of ingestion?

Well after trip my body feels pretty uncomfortable, it's like you are sitting in wrong position. Drinking few beers takes the bodyload away and after that I can sleep. Ofc insomnia can be also from the trip itself, and I think partly it is, but anyway after few beers I can nicley fall asleep. I have had only good trips with this thou'.

I think I'm going to plug 20mg of this today, when I take this orally it start to work after 10mins, so I think plugging starts it very soon, like in 1min. What do you think?

 

[Jabberwocky]

out of curiosity, are you in shape or out of shape? I am in shape and after a trip, especially one that is very physical like in my body with yoga and stretching, exploring...I feel GREAT! Like better than ever good! There are some chemicals however that leave my body feeling 'worn down' (monoamine releasers mainly).

 

[Xorkoth]

Yeah, plugging it will make it work practically immediately. Very fast indeed. I stopped plugging 4-sub-Ts because they work so fast on me orally, it's kind of pointless and it's easier to get overloaded and have a less useful trip. And plus it reduces the duration somewhat.

 

[Ne0]

Yeah, plugging it will make it work practically immediately. Very fast indeed. I stopped plugging 4-sub-Ts because they work so fast on me orally, it's kind of pointless and it's easier to get overloaded and have a less useful trip. And plus it reduces the duration somewhat.

Hmm, yeah but 4-ho-met induces somehow strange nausea to me, just like the visuals and mind stance, it comes and goes, wave-like. So I thought if I plug, I don't get the nausea, at least plugging 5-meo-mipt took almost all nausea away. But yeah, I need to think about it.

Gaian Planes: I'm kind of out of shape and in shape.

 

[2charlyecho]

I took 25mg of 4-ho-met and it turned out to be one of the best and bizarre trips ever. Overall is was very mushroomy/4-aco-dmt. The onset was very fast, 20mins or so. It was extremely visual, much more than 4-aco-dmt. Also the visuals reminded me very much of nndmt.

The most interesting aspect of the trip were the strong audio distortions, especially some very strong echoing. These also happened in sychronisation with visual echoing.

Things appeared out of objects in a similar way to nndmt visual, very cool!
Closed eye visuals were beautiful.

I found it very difficult to sleep afterwards, but tryptamines always have that effect on me.

All in all I got a really good vibe from this substance and and although similar to mushrooms and 4-aco-dmt, its certainly something of itself, quite unique.

It could be in the top 5 psychs for me

 

[Aleph]

Totally of agreement 2charlyecho.
Similar experience I had with 15mg, extremely visual, more like to the Copelandia / 4-ho-dmt that to the cubensis / 4-aco-dmt.

 

[Propyl Power]

^ Same here too, good concise description.

It can be exquisitely beautiful, but I often feel that it's missing a little something in the spiritual department...

But as I have yet to use it in nature, I will suspend judgement.

 

[Propyl Power]

A friend recently tried a high dose of 4-ho-met, via intramuscular injection. Here's what he had to say:

"...I would like to report on the 4-Ho-MET. We took a large-sh dose at about ~37mg I.M. It kicked in the moment the plunger was fully depressed. I had intense visual distortions, much like dmt but like it was dimmer, the inner light was turned off. I had no change in general cognition. My inner dialog and general sense of self was completely unaffected. My peripheral nervous system was uncomfortably stimulated. When I removed the eye mask, every object in my peripheral vision looked like it was moving at me at great speed. This caused a really uncomfortable sensation of being constantly startled unless I covered my eyes. It became annoying really fast. I also could not sit still at all or handle being touched physically with out feeling overwhelmed. I experienced no synesthesia though, There was no feeling of journeying or of any spiritual connection or deeper reality exposed. I could basically see that the effects were limited to my visual cortex and my peripheral nervous system. It was intriguing in a sort of academic sense but nothing more, really.

The experience ended smoothly with no hang over or residual after effect though. "

 

[Mjäll]

^ That sounds weird. 4-HO-MET (orally) is among the most cognitively intense chemicals I've tried.

 

[Xorkoth]

Huh, sounds like a strange reaction to 4-HO-MET... especially with such a massive dose, and by IM. Although I wouldn't say my trials with it have altered me in the strongly psychedelic way of things like psilocin. It was more of a great speeding up of thoughts and a flow of inspiration.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Are you sure another material wasn't injected instead? Sounds weird. The speed of onset also sounds extremely peculiar. I wonder if somehow the 4-HO-MET activated receptors in the peripheral system (binded to them) instead of went central? I dunno?

Even IV doesn't happen that fast!

 

[Propyl Power]

It was definitely 4-ho-met. I too am a little surprised at the rapid onset, but then ~37 mg is a very large dose.

I am less surprised by the lack of psychedelia. Most of my experience with it has revealed a certain hollowness... Also, the person who wrote the report is unusually experienced and generally prefers large doses of everything.

Not a bad compound by any means, compared to some things it's rather wonderful, but just not quite as entheogenic or spiritually inclined as we'd hoped.

 

[Mjäll]

4-HO-MET is not really spiritual for me compared to something like 4-AcO-DMT. While the former distorts thought patterns and psychological reward to an extreme (and very entertaining) degree, the latter goes for your ego before anything else. If you want to "die", I suggest 4-AcO-DMT.

 

[willkell420]

I just got some of this to sample in fumerate form, can anyone suggest a good starting dose? How does this compare in strength to 4-aco-dmt fumerate on a mg to mg basis? Thanks.....

 

[Mjäll]

I just got some of this to sample in fumerate form, can anyone suggest a good starting dose? How does this compare in strength to 4-aco-dmt fumerate on a mg to mg basis? Thanks.....

I've sampled 4-ho-met in HCl form and 4-aco-dmt in fumarate form. I would say 25 mg of 4-ho-met Hcl is definitely stronger in its effects than 20 mg of 4-aco-dmt fumarate. I would suspect these two chemicals are pretty much equally potent when fumarate and HCl weight are taken into account - though not at all as similar in effects as I had predicted.

 

[Jabberwocky]

^ what were the noteworthy effects that 4-HO-MET had that were not present in 4-aco-DMT (for you)?

 

[Mjäll]

^ what were the noteworthy effects that 4-HO-MET had that were not present in 4-aco-DMT (for you)?

4-ho-met produced more intense visuals and more cognitive changes.

However, 4-aco-dmt made me feel closer to "ego death". This might have been due to the lower dose allowing my brain's defense mechanisms to function, though.