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The Big & Dandy 4-HO-MET Thread

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Mjäll said:
4-HO-MET is not really spiritual for me compared to something like 4-AcO-DMT. While the former distorts thought patterns and psychological reward to an extreme (and very entertaining) degree, the latter goes for your ego before anything else. If you want to "die", I suggest 4-AcO-DMT.
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Would you consider combining the two?
 
Mjäll said:
I've sampled 4-ho-met in HCl form and 4-aco-dmt in fumarate form. I would say 25 mg of 4-ho-met Hcl is definitely stronger in its effects than 20 mg of 4-aco-dmt fumarate. I would suspect these two chemicals are pretty much equally potent when fumarate and HCl weight are taken into account - though not at all as similar in effects as I had predicted.
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i think if you raise the dose of 4 aco dmt to 25-30mg you will notice the mental effects and visuals will get quite a bit stronger.

i havent tried 4 ho met yet
but im sure it great judging by all the other 4 ho/aco-typtamines i've had.
 
BreakingSet said:
Would you consider combining the two?
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I'm very careful with psychedelics, and I haven't combined any psychedelics as of now. These two are pretty similar, so it's probably no big deal, but what do I know? RC's mean risks.
 
I agree with Mjall, I have no desire for psychedelic combinations, they are more than strong enough just by themselves.

I did an experiment with 4-HO-MET last weekend, probably would have been around 18mg or so.
I'm a big fan of 4-ACO-DMT so was hoping this would be somewhat similar.

I'm still undecided about it, but there were a lot of distractions during the trip (ie. people arriving unannounced at my house etc), so I feel that I can't full judge it yet.

My initial impressions were the same as other posters, it is definitely more visual than 4-ACO-DMT. It didn't feel quite as euphoric, or as "spiritual/holy feeling" as Xorkoth wrote in his TR on erowid...

But it definitely warrants further experimentation. Shulgin was correct, this stuff definitely comes in waves. I remember getting lost in my reflection in the mirror, and then returning to baseline suddenly and thinking 'what just happened??'

Not sure if this material would cause ego-death (by 'ego death' I refer to being way too far down the rabbit hole, to the point where physical boundaries are no longer present, and forgetting that a drug has been taken. Too many people throw around the idea of 'ego death' without actually knowing what it means....it is terrifying).

All in all, more experimentation required.

Does anyone know about the stability of this compound?
I would assume it is similar to 4-ACO-DMT?
 
Still havent had a chance to sample this yet because of cross tolerance issues. For those who have tried both this and 4-aco-dmt, does 4-ho-met cause coordination problems and make you as lethargic as 4-aco-dmt. Also has anyone tried snorting this yet, or is it supposed to burn like MET? Thanks...
 
willkell420 said:
Still havent had a chance to sample this yet because of cross tolerance issues. For those who have tried both this and 4-aco-dmt, does 4-ho-met cause coordination problems and make you as lethargic as 4-aco-dmt. Also has anyone tried snorting this yet, or is it supposed to burn like MET? Thanks...
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4-aco-dmt makes me more lethargic. I am more inclined to find peace in the moment (mentally and physically) on 4-aco-dmt during the come-up, though - later on I've found myself walking in circles on the floor. This may be related to my thoughts, though, rather than direct effects of the substance.
 
I found 4-HO-MET to leave me feeling much more in control. It doesn't have that loss of coordination and fine control than 4-AcO-DMT can have.
 
Ive been sitting on both for a good time. 3 day weekends good enough...
Probably go with 4-HO-MET, Ive been underwhelmed by 4-subs before, around 20mg (MiPT, DiPT).

I LOVE 4-HO-DMT at 28-30mg. LOVE it. What would be a good dose of 4-HO-MET for me? I was going to try 20mg but in the past all other 4-HO chems have been barely +2 at that level with little to no tolerence

Has anyone taken 30mg+? (Fumarate)
 
nofx1422 said:
Ive been sitting on both for a good time. 3 day weekends good enough...
Probably go with 4-HO-MET, Ive been underwhelmed by 4-subs before, around 20mg (MiPT, DiPT).

I LOVE 4-HO-DMT at 28-30mg. LOVE it. What would be a good dose of 4-HO-MET for me? I was going to try 20mg but in the past all other 4-HO chems have been barely +2 at that level with little to no tolerence

Has anyone taken 30mg+? (Fumarate)
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I've taken 40 mg HCl at most. Extremely visual and immensely anxiety-inducing.
 
nofx1422, I obtained 4-ho-met hoping to find it a suitable replacement for 4-ho-dmt which is my favorite entheogen. I am also interested in dosage comparison and experience comparison. Please let us know once you've sampled it.
 
So has anyone combined this one yet? Like with cannabis, dxm, etc.?
 
Mjäll said:
Alcohol and nicotine... 8)
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Nicotine makes me nauseous on 4-ho-met and a little bit alcohol is only good when you come down (it relaxes muscles and makes easier to sleep). At least for me.
 
Ne0 said:
Nicotine makes me nauseous on 4-ho-met and a little bit alcohol is only good when you come down (it relaxes muscles and makes easier to sleep). At least for me.
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Yeah, did both on the come down.
 
Today is Wednesay, hopefully this Friday I will be able to sample 4-HO-MET to a larger degree.

And this time, my flatmate won't be here so there will be no distractions, yayy!!
I think I will do the usual "Shpongle followed by Simpsons" combo, because of my lack of familiarity with this chem.

On a sidenote, does anyone else find the Visualiser on Xbox 360 to be a great accompaniment to tryptamines in general?
 
This monday I took too little 4-ho-met (less than 10mg) and I got only threshhold effects, very little visuals and no changes on mind set, then I smoked some pot but didn't redose, because I want clean start (so no redosing, just right dose all in once). I'm planning to take 30mg next Monday, so I'm thinking is that too soon even that I didn't trip from last time?
 
Yeah, that's plenty of time to recover. Especially with something as short as 4-HO-MET, I doubt much tolerance builds. There was report on erowid of someone taking 4-AcO-DiPT about 7 days in a row with no tolerance build up, though I wouldn't recommend that :-).
 
cegli said:
Yeah, that's plenty of time to recover. Especially with something as short as 4-HO-MET, I doubt much tolerance builds. There was report on erowid of someone taking 4-AcO-DiPT about 7 days in a row with no tolerance build up, though I wouldn't recommend that :-).
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Yeah that's true, few months back, when I just got my 4-ho-met, I took it every four days, and didn't really noticed any tolerance.

Harmala is used to boost psilocybin right? Can you do that with 4-ho-met? Also I'm still looking for more information about DXM+4-HO-MET.
 
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