Me and my girlfriend tried this for the first time last night at 20mg each. We began to feel it within a half hour. From the time it started to when it peaked it felt very enjoyable like 4-ho-dmt or 4-aco-dmt without the lack of coordination, felt very clean in the body. The visuals where quite intense, though they didn't seem to have much substance or depth if that makes sense. With other substances the visuals seem to be alive and grow/flow. With this it just looked like a kaleidescope had been superimposed over our vision. The visuals were very pronounced but not very interesting, it was like everything looks different but so what? After the peak the strong visuals lasted for more than five hours, but the overall mood was one of, "What to do next?" We began to feel bored and uninspired. Tried watching: South Park, Speed Racer, X-files, etc. and nothing was interesting. Music was actually a turn-off, everything sounded like it was being played through a tin can. My girlfriend was concerned she had done permanent damage to her hearing at the Gwar show we saw the other night until I reminded her it was the substance we had taken. Even though she was still seeing patterns everywhere she had forgot she had dosed earlier. It felt very clear-headed to the point of thinking you were sober, but this was not the case because the mind was not working correctly. Tried to turn music down several times but was pushing wrong button on the remote, couldn't figure out how to use my key, etc. Felt delirious in thinking like high doses of Dramamine... It wasn't negative in a anxious or scary way, it was just very boring. It seemed Anti-euphoric, most tryptamines seem to produce an energy flow(Kundalini?) that makes you feel very inspired or alive. This on the other hand seemed to have turned that energy off, even had less than when we are sober. Things we usually enjoyed immensely while tripping and while sober where not the slightest bit interesting now. My Girlfriend and I both experienced almost identical states. I had been feeling this way after about 2 hours into the experience but hadn't said anything about it until she reluctantly told be that she was bored hoping that I wouldn't be offended. Some descriptive words that came to mind where junior-high trip, superficial psychedelic, etc. This stuff seemed to go straight to the senses and distorted them rather than enhancing them. I also kept coughing from the pit of my stomach, almost like a cough/gag. Ive heard it called G.I. cough reflex or something similar. The strangest thing I noticed was that I could taste the stuff in the back of my throat all night even though it was taken in a gel cap. It tasted like I was getting a drain from snorting something although nothing had been insufflated. It tasted as if the substance was somehow being excreted through my sinuses during the entire experience. Has anyone else experienced these physical side-effects?; these were the most concerning part of the experience as it made it seem "dirty" in a different way from something like amt or foxy. Thought of possible radioactivity came to mind though I doubt this is possible. We also each took a 10mg booster at the 5 hour mark hoping to add some depth to the experience, all this did was increase the brightness of the already ever present kaleidoscopic overlay. The booster also prolonged the bored/depressive state of the experience. I was not depressed in a sad kind of way, just in a way where everything was extremely boring and uninspiring. Just wanted to go to sleep...
-Any way this stuff seemed very nice at first, until plateau was reached. It was very visual but in a schizophrenic kind of way if that makes sense. I would consider using it again with a more positive substance like amt or MDxx to add a visual aspect to the trip, as the positive push from the former substance would possibly over ride the depressive effects of the 4-ho-met. I would only do this if I knew the taste in the back of my throat and gag/cough was not going to be part of the experience,or if I am reassured that this is not a harmful side effect ...
