The Big & Dandy 4-HO-MET Thread
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Morninggloryseed
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Sounds like fun! But I have to disagree that you live in the most beautiful land in the US of A... for I live in a land that is at least tied as the most beautiful.And myself and my wife and some other PDers just went camping next to the Appalachian Trail this past Saturday with a 360 degree view and provided food, fire, and massages for some hikers who were a month into the 5-6 month hike
Have you actually been to the Front Range of the Rocky Mountains?
I'll admit, I am a Western Snob. There are beautiful spots in the East, I've seen them, but they all are flawed in that they are not in that Western air. There is something about being west of the Mississippi.
^^^
Having family in Montrose and Denver CO, as well as Roanoke VA, I can say having spent a fair amount of time in these places, that they are all filled with outstanding beauty. I would be hard-pressed to pick one, but would probably have to settle for CO.
You guys have inspired me to do some hiking around Lake Superior this summer (which is closer to my neck of the woods), and perhaps fall when the leaves change. The question is which new friend do I take with me? Hmmm, so many choices...
Having family in Montrose and Denver CO, as well as Roanoke VA, I can say having spent a fair amount of time in these places, that they are all filled with outstanding beauty. I would be hard-pressed to pick one, but would probably have to settle for CO.
You guys have inspired me to do some hiking around Lake Superior this summer (which is closer to my neck of the woods), and perhaps fall when the leaves change. The question is which new friend do I take with me? Hmmm, so many choices...
phatass
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i do prefer 2C's in general to 4-HO-MET.. the latter is very mellow, very easy going, allthough as i said the close eyed visualswere insane and pretty scary and gory, i must have a fucked up mind.... the body buzz of 4-HO is more pleasant than the bodyload of 2Cx, but imo 2Cx is more fun
Can you snif 4-HO-MET? does it have a high BA? and do you have to not have eaten for like 6 hours before taking 4-HO-MET?
Can you snif 4-HO-MET? does it have a high BA? and do you have to not have eaten for like 6 hours before taking 4-HO-MET?
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psychoblast
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Any attempt on my part to enlarge my opposition to this statement would undoubtedly prove futile. (i.e., I could not disagree more). Apart from 2c-b, I have not found any PEA's to be recreational (2c-c, 2c-e, 2c-i, 2c-p, 2c-t-21). I mean, if I just wanted to be "altered," they did that, but not in a particularly recreational way. Now they did sometimes allow for valuable introspection and reflection (particularly the 2c-e), but it was still not very recreational.
On the other hand, pretty much any tryptamine can be fun (foxy, 4-ho-dipt, shrooms). What's more recreational than shrooms?
I think this disagreement can only be settled by a spam fight. I, of course, am referring to the meat product, not unwanted e-mail. As I am the challenger, you get to pick the utensil, but I get to pick the condiment. (You'll never guess, but it rhymes with letchup.)
Oh, I guess I should say something about 4-ho-met. Here it is: I did kind of like 4-ho-dipt, I found it to be less fun than shrooms, so I quit exploring it, and I am wondering if anyone can compare 4-ho-met to 4-ho-dipt?
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Mjäll
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Haha :D
Regarding the topic at hand I have only tried 2C-B out of the PEA's, but found it to be recreational to a pronounced degree, while the tryptamines tend to be less fun (and if they are fun, it's generally more of a giggle than actual fun if you know what I mean).
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Xorkoth
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For me? Most any psychedelic I can think of.
For me, mushrooms have usually been very serious and intensely psychedelic... I am along for the ride and the ride involves the universe collapsing and rebuilding itself, or my ego being sucked into the Void.For me? Most any psychedelic I can think of.
Even dmt? I´ll try a low dose of dmt soon and I´m a bit worried because shrooms cause a lot of anxiety on come up stage for me... sorry for the offtopic!
Xorkoth
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DMT is much friendlier and easier than mushrooms for me, yes. DMT feels like love. It's so fast there's not much room for anxiety or anything. Plus the body feeling is very pleasant.
psychoblast
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Mjäll:
I agree 2c-b is very recreational, which is why I excepted it. It is the other 2c's, with the possible exception of 2c-d and 2c-t-7, that I do not think are recreational.
As for whether shrooms are recreational, try taking them while you go out for the night in Las Vegas -- insanely funny. They turn any movie into a rollercoaster, where you kind of feel like you are in the movie. I cannot wait to see Avatar on shrooms. You can have great sex on shrooms. Size distortions can make feet and noses look huge.
And, while everyone has their own opinion, if you tend to go to hippie jam band concerts and festivals, you will see that shrooms are like beer and weed, everyone does them. In fact, I find that shrooms give me a rather drunken feeling in addition to the trippiness.
I'm not saying my best times have been on shrooms, and it is surely possible to have a bad, intense or psychologically rough trip on them (or any psychedelic). However, if you keep your dose reasonable, I think its very rare to have a bad time on shrooms and it is hard to find better bang for the buck in terms of recreation.
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I agree 2c-b is very recreational, which is why I excepted it. It is the other 2c's, with the possible exception of 2c-d and 2c-t-7, that I do not think are recreational.
As for whether shrooms are recreational, try taking them while you go out for the night in Las Vegas -- insanely funny. They turn any movie into a rollercoaster, where you kind of feel like you are in the movie. I cannot wait to see Avatar on shrooms. You can have great sex on shrooms. Size distortions can make feet and noses look huge.
And, while everyone has their own opinion, if you tend to go to hippie jam band concerts and festivals, you will see that shrooms are like beer and weed, everyone does them. In fact, I find that shrooms give me a rather drunken feeling in addition to the trippiness.
I'm not saying my best times have been on shrooms, and it is surely possible to have a bad, intense or psychologically rough trip on them (or any psychedelic). However, if you keep your dose reasonable, I think its very rare to have a bad time on shrooms and it is hard to find better bang for the buck in terms of recreation.
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I've tried tripping at concerts and parties, and always had a very tough but learning experience. For me shrooms or whatever generally don't turn movies into roller coasters but rather make the social tensions and moral issues more relevant while pushing the more shallow aspects back a bit.
from my limited testing, yep.
i'm sure i've seen it suggested by a vendor somewhere too.
phatass
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yeah, i thought i'd give it a try and was quite immpressed... higher BA... quicker come-up....
but for me, do not mix this one with booze... my first experience must have dosed over 100mg over a 6 hour period, it started to wear off, i drank a couple of beers, then my stomache decided, nope, don't want this... and i threw up...
any major dude
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100mg? jeez!?! I took about 30mg of the acetate ester orally and had about a 7hr trip that was pretty crazy
naginnudej
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10mg IV and 30mg oral experiences were amazing. Trip reports soon.
chillinwill
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Very interested to hear about the IV report. 4-HO-MET is a very nice chemical with a very quick come-up, and shorter duration overall. I was thinking about giving it a try via the IV route, but wanted to find more reports on this first (if there were any at all).
I dont inject stuff, but I gave someone about 15mg of 4-ho-met to IV. He told me it came on very fast and it provided a very intense experience. The subject was also under the influence of heroin at the time, so that might have altered the effects somewhat.
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Swim tried 16mg some days ago.
No mindfuck, just nice visuals and quite relaxing with a nice bodyload.
Though also not very deep, so no revelations as I had with LSA and 2C-E.
He will try a higher dose (25-30mg) next time.
Btw. Swim read a lot about anxiety with shrooms and that 4-HO-MET is supposed to be very shroomy. But Swim felt no anxiety at all -> does 4-HO-MET not have this "feature"?
Also: Could you try some kind of hippieflip with this? And what chemical would work except MDMA?
No mindfuck, just nice visuals and quite relaxing with a nice bodyload.
Though also not very deep, so no revelations as I had with LSA and 2C-E.
He will try a higher dose (25-30mg) next time.
Btw. Swim read a lot about anxiety with shrooms and that 4-HO-MET is supposed to be very shroomy. But Swim felt no anxiety at all -> does 4-HO-MET not have this "feature"?
Also: Could you try some kind of hippieflip with this? And what chemical would work except MDMA?
hypnotizee
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Got my hands on some of this last week.
Tried it for the first time 3 days ago.
Since my stomach was pretty upset that day (i have chronic gastritis), i decided to plug it to give my stomach some time to relax after a few days of partying with alcohol the days before.
After I read up on this chemical here in this thread I decided the trip shouldn't be too intense and told my friend I would be at his house around 8pm.
At 7:15pm I then measured out 8mg of 4-ho-met, dissolved it in some warm water and plugged it around 7:25pm. Since my friends house is like 4mi from my own and I'd have to ride my bike I planned on leaving the house around 7:40pm.
But the come-up was extremely rapid after anal administration. I felt effects within 5min and my heart started pounding and I started sweating like crazy. I also felt pretty dizzy and a bit nauseous.
I lied down for a while and then decided to leave around 7:45pm. I was starting to feel better and strong euphoria kicked in.
After just like 2minutes I had to stop for a few mins because it felt like I had to vomit - I didn't feel nauseous at all, i just had the feeling like I had to gag - but I didn't and continued my bike ride. The rest of the ride was awesome, colors started to blurr and everything looked interesting and I payed attention to every detail. I must have looked crazy because I was laughing out loud most of the time.
Well the rest of the evening was nice with me hanging out with some friends, drinking some wine, taking a swim and generally just talking about stuff. I had nice OEV's until around 12am, no real physical effects were felt after the 20mins come-up though, which was really nice. The mind-fuck wasn't too intense but it was hard to think straight and talk in whole sentences.
After I was back at baseline,around 1am, two of my friends and me decided to go to a small private party of a friend but when we arrived most of the people were already gone (it was monday) and since we all were pretty far from our homes in the suburbs and we rode our bikes we decided we had to do something.
We ended up just meeting up with another friend and bought a bottle of whiskey at a gas station that we emptied in a furniture stores parking lot.
Overall it was pretty fun, even though I wasn't expecting a come-up that rough.
Next time I'll plan in a few minutes more and lie down for like half an hour after ingestion.
Edit: also the anal bioaviabilty seems to be really high since I had lots of amazing OEV's after only 8mgs. Though I have to say I'm 180cm and just 55kg. (I'm not sick in any way, I just have an extremely good metabolism)
Tried it for the first time 3 days ago.
Since my stomach was pretty upset that day (i have chronic gastritis), i decided to plug it to give my stomach some time to relax after a few days of partying with alcohol the days before.
After I read up on this chemical here in this thread I decided the trip shouldn't be too intense and told my friend I would be at his house around 8pm.
At 7:15pm I then measured out 8mg of 4-ho-met, dissolved it in some warm water and plugged it around 7:25pm. Since my friends house is like 4mi from my own and I'd have to ride my bike I planned on leaving the house around 7:40pm.
But the come-up was extremely rapid after anal administration. I felt effects within 5min and my heart started pounding and I started sweating like crazy. I also felt pretty dizzy and a bit nauseous.
I lied down for a while and then decided to leave around 7:45pm. I was starting to feel better and strong euphoria kicked in.
After just like 2minutes I had to stop for a few mins because it felt like I had to vomit - I didn't feel nauseous at all, i just had the feeling like I had to gag - but I didn't and continued my bike ride. The rest of the ride was awesome, colors started to blurr and everything looked interesting and I payed attention to every detail. I must have looked crazy because I was laughing out loud most of the time.
Well the rest of the evening was nice with me hanging out with some friends, drinking some wine, taking a swim and generally just talking about stuff. I had nice OEV's until around 12am, no real physical effects were felt after the 20mins come-up though, which was really nice. The mind-fuck wasn't too intense but it was hard to think straight and talk in whole sentences.
After I was back at baseline,around 1am, two of my friends and me decided to go to a small private party of a friend but when we arrived most of the people were already gone (it was monday) and since we all were pretty far from our homes in the suburbs and we rode our bikes we decided we had to do something.
We ended up just meeting up with another friend and bought a bottle of whiskey at a gas station that we emptied in a furniture stores parking lot.
Overall it was pretty fun, even though I wasn't expecting a come-up that rough.
Next time I'll plan in a few minutes more and lie down for like half an hour after ingestion.
Edit: also the anal bioaviabilty seems to be really high since I had lots of amazing OEV's after only 8mgs. Though I have to say I'm 180cm and just 55kg. (I'm not sick in any way, I just have an extremely good metabolism)
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Sounds like a fun experience!
I have only ever had oral doses of 4 ho met upto 40mg, I find the come up immensely fast and intense every time! - Never had any sickness though.
Its as if I have let off a psychedelic grenade in my brain and the effects following the intense come up are the resulting shockwave slowly fading out.
Are you going to try an oral dose?
I have only ever had oral doses of 4 ho met upto 40mg, I find the come up immensely fast and intense every time! - Never had any sickness though.
Its as if I have let off a psychedelic grenade in my brain and the effects following the intense come up are the resulting shockwave slowly fading out.
Are you going to try an oral dose?
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