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The Big & Dandy 4-HO-MET Thread

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Dr Mamba said:
Could you describe the 234 mg trip a bit ?
Hard to believe it could be fine, but if it is so it could be a nice way to have a real deap trip a la DMT for a few houres without the nastyness of ayahuasca.
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Yes the trip goes fine for him :) We will make a trip report on Erowid soon :)
 
Look what i found here about 4-ho-met :

So this friday a couple of friends of mine decided to go tripping again (I was not with them), after a break of over a year. They took a very high dose of the same batch (40 mg) of 4-HO-MET, which is basically psilocin with an ethyl and methyl group instead of two methyl (an added carbon atom, that is). Then all of a sudden one of them started to behave strange. Not that is isn't expected, but he went totally nuts; throwing books at the others, screaming and then eventually running out of the building.

When they went after him a while later (when they realized he was not coming back) they found that he had run out naked, stopped cars and jumped on them, completely shutting off the traffic. When the police and ambulance finally came, it took them >10 minutes to get him in the ambulance. The police had to physically force him in.

After a MRI-scan of his brain and heart at the hospital, and several experts called in from different hospitals to find out what went wrong, they concluded that he had suffered permanent brain and heart damage and that this could not be from trauma or anything else than the drug.

Now, everything I know about tryptamines says that this is impossible. If this is indeed caused by the drug, wouldn't there be more documented cases on this type of damage from the use of tryptamines (psilocin/psilocybin in particular)? Is it at all possible for serotonin agonists to cause that kind of damage?

I'll try to get in touch with the chief neurologist and get more data, but until then I figured I'd ask you guys. Since this is a drug that many of my friends use from time to time, and because this is a very unusual case, I'd like to shed some light on this.

UPDATE: Still haven't gotten in touch with any of the doctors. Hope to do so tomorrow though.
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Is this possible since 4-substitued tryptamines are know for being "safe" ? :(

Sounds fake to me ...

http://www.reddit.com/r/Drugs/comments/9bv5r/a_friend_of_mine_just_got_permanent_brain_and/

What do you think about it ? Seems strange cause took huge dose with my mate and we didn't had something like that...
 
Dr Mamba said:
Could you describe the 234 mg trip a bit ?
Hard to believe it could be fine, but if it is so it could be a nice way to have a real deap trip a la DMT for a few houres without the nastyness of ayahuasca.
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I think by fine he meant his friend sustained no physical or mental damage due to the trip, and was safe throughout. I very much doubt such high doses would be fun for even the minority of trippers, however, there will always be some exceptions.

It's a pity I didn't order any of this with my last order, but oh well, maybe next time.
 
nomis said:
How does 4-HO-MET differ from Mushrooms and from 4-aco-DMT?
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Having done both now, 4-AcODMT still is in the DMT/mushroom land of magic. This is not tripping, this is traveling.

4-Ho-MET is a classic psychedelic...reminding me of LSD and DPT at times, more than mushrooms or 4-AcO-DMT.
 
HofmannBlotter said:
What happens Jesus ?
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Ordered just 4-AcO-DMT instead, didn't want to spend too much, so I ordered 500mg 4-AcO-DMT and 1g JWH-081, if I wanted 4-HO-MET I'd have had to settle for less psychedelics overall, or no JWH. So I figure I'll just get it another time.
 
^ Here's my take on 4-ho-met, based on about 12 - 15 solid experiences. (I've done 4-aco-dmt & 4-aco/ho-mipt for comparison).

At first i was impressed, with wacky ooky kooky tryp visuals and general novelty, but quickly detected that something was missing. For me, there is not the Lightness or cleansing qualities of 4-aco-dmt (tho it is entirely easy on the body), nor anything even approaching the lightning-bolt revelations of 4-ho-mipt. Just a weird synthetic shroomy murk that often seemed on the cusp of manifesting something of true beauty or power, but never quite did...

as my interactions with it proceeded, i became more aware of a certain quality of frivolity... some pyschs can have a strong Goddess energy, but this was just a silly little girl who only wanted to play, always play, never work... tho light doses are indeed delicious and often energetically feline, i found "princess metocin" to be frustrating and irritating, and decided to stop engaging with her, a choice strongly supported by the fact that i had none left ;)

of course this is just my own idiosyncratic response. i'm totally open to the possibility that 4-ho-met could be very powerful and effective for others... but it wasn't for me. as always... YMMV :)

EDIT: I have a very experienced friend who IM'd 40 - 70 mg (can't recall exact #... but it was a lot!)... and he was also unimpressed. He described it as lots of sensory distortion with a totally inert and useless headspace...
 
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I'd have to disagree. I find 4-ho-met (& other 4- trypts) much better in every way than mushrooms.
 
Agree too ! Well 4-ho-met is just about visual, not very deep mentally ! I really love this substance for the insignifiants bodyload and total body comfort :D I love to stick with this RC :)
 
After hearing about two overdoses (one 150mg overdose on Erowid and the 234mg overdose here) plus the lack of noted significant anxiety and CNS stimulation and general bodyload, I'm so excited about this... I just got almost 500mg today... and it looks fuckin tasty.
 
I can't believe there isn't more interest in this one. I took 19.2mg at 12:34 and its now 1:10 and I'm feeling fantastic. Onset was pretty quick but a bit delayed because I ate food beforehand. Its starting to exhibit its visual nature and the body high is incredible.
 
That was the most intense trip of my life. Methocin deserves some respect. Seriously. And I'm still at a strong ++ which occasionally goes back to a +++ 8 1/2 hours after the peak started...
 
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