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Tryptamines The Big & Dandy 4-HO-DiPT Thread

Of the psychedelics I've tried, something about iprocin reminds me the most of a really mellow alcohol buzz, the kind you get from expensive scotch or red wine. It makes me feel very content indeed. The visuals are not as fantastic as 2C-E or LSD, but the mood lift is just really.... kind.

I find 40mg is about my limit. The only reason not to go above that, though, is the come-up, which I think at a higher dose would lead unavoidably to vomiting. The bulk of the trip, even at 40mg, for me is not overpowering. (I'm referring to 4-AcO-DiPT here, not 4-HO. There is a 10-15mg difference in the doseage range).
 
I'm referring to 4-AcO-DiPT here, not 4-HO. There is a 10-15mg difference in the doseage range

I don't know where you came up with that number. Molecuclar weight of 4-aco-dipt is 302.4 and of 4-ho-dipt is 260.5. That makes 4-ho-dipt about 16% more potent, so about 23mg of 4-aco-dipt would be needed in place of a 20mg 4-ho-dipt dose.
 
AFIAK Erowid numbers aren't based on anything scientific, just their interpretation of experience reports. And note they round most everything off to 5mg, which can make a big difference with iproc(et)in.

You can consider the effect of freebase and salt thought. HCl salt adds about 36.5 to the molecular weight. So if your 4-ho is salt and your 4-aco is freebase they are about the same, but if your 4-ho is freebase and your 4-aco is salt than the 4-ho will be about 30% stronger by weight.
 
Anyone tried both? Comparision please

Well, I have a fair bit of experience 4-aco-dipt, but I'm thinking about giving 4-ho-dipt now. From reading over this thread and all the trip reports, it seems they are different is a few ways: 4-ho-dipt is more potent than 4-aco-dipt, 4-ho-dipt is shorter than the 4-aco-dipt, and 4-ho-dipt doesn't have as many body tremors/load as 4-aco-dipt. Is there anyone who has tried both and can confirm or add to my observations?
 
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I should have some 4-AcO-DiPT reports soon. I will be looking into 4-AcO-DiPT specifically to explore how it is different from the free phenol. The differences here are more than just potency. From those who have tried both tell me, it's a similar but different trip. I intend to put the "what is different" into the best english I am able to.
 
Like others I find 4-HO-DiPT has a harsh comeup usually – a crackedout ‘old’ feeling with sore muscles and poor coordination. Super horny though, go figure!
4-AcO-DiPT by itself can be deep but it fades fast. It has a very serious flavor to me, not a lot of goofiness or talking like with other substances.
However, I enjoyed it the most when combined with 4-AcO-MiPT. Like 15mg 4-AcO-DiPT combined with 8mg 4-AcO-MiPT in the same capsule. Incredible – a combo for the ages! No body load, very meditative but not sedating, and hyper-visual! Fractal rainbow tracers on everything, green and blue shades all over, euphoric body sensations, lots of laughter. A consistent (non-rolling) experience that lasted a full 7 hours. Utterly and completely floored by music, to the extent that I was full-body gyrating to music that was purely in my head, for hours it seemed. I came up with entire songs on the spot, probably enough to write a whole album (it seemed). For a while I went off on a full-body drum solo (literally playing parts of my body) that got me so tranced that I had these spiritual visits from tribal drummers playing along, giving inspiration, etc. I loved it.
I plan on posting a full trip report soon – but do I need to now?
This one’s worth repeating kids..
 
wow, sounds like an amazing combo, have you tried the 4-HO-DiPT/4-AcO-MiPT combo too? or did the harsh come-up prevent that?

also, I just want to add that I didn't have a bad come-up on 4-HO-DiPT, I was actually surprised by how good it felt, like the euphoric feeling that mushrooms can bring.
 
As I mentioned many times before, to me, Iprocin and Iprocetyl are two completely different drugs.

Iprocin is a drug with an alarmingly harsh comeup as Santadog pointed out. This comuep subsides to leave me in an extremely psychedelic place that is VERY connected to the body and the earth. Not very visual, but extremely psychedelic. I have only tried this one once by taking 20 mg 2/3 rectally and 1/3 orally.

Iprocetyl, on the other hand, is VERY gentle. Oral and nasal it seems the same, except the nasal route is a bit shorter yet more economic too. I have taken doses as high as 20mg insufflated, and regretted it, onlybecause I found it no different than 10 mg.

The effects of this one are very mild. A very mild euphoria, some mild psychedelia, and a lot of empathogenesis. It is also EXTREMELY erotic, in a very DEEP sense. But there is no erotic "push" as with 5-MeO-DiPT.

Speaking of eroticism, Iprocetyl really shines when smoked. You smoke it just like you would 5-MeO-DMT, and no more than 5 mg is needed, IMO. This produces an almost instant, INSANELY erotic rush that lasts no more than 15 minutes (but the effects extend further). This is the aphrodesiac... nothing beats it, IMO.
 
I have tried smoking Iprocin, up to 10mg, and really got no effects...

This was by trying to vaporize it with as little heat as possible with a long glass um, well 'smoking glass device' which works great with 5-meo-dmt and other things.

I maybe felt a tiny feeling with 10mg, but really it looked like all it would do is just burn and leave a mark in the pipe (so really the actual dose i got would've been very small)... So maybe only the Aco is smokeable?
 
^^ They are definitely not the same. Iprocin is much more forceful and visual. Iprocetyl is almost more of an entactogen. I have gotten visuals from iprocin as strong as those from 2C-E and LSD. Iprocetyl gives me low to mid-grade visuals.

On my last iprocin trip, about 3-4 hours into it, I smoked a bit of cannabis, and immediately watched my computer screen, then my immediate field of vision, then my entire apartment, take on the characteristics of an animated movie set. The lines of text on my screen were spacecraft, and when I looked to my left, my living room was a jungle full of dancing plants. And I could changed the content of each scene instantly on mental command. It was like being a god. %) A foolishly grinning child-god.
 
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I thought iprocin had a very easy come-up, it reminded me of the first few times doing shrooms, there was a great body high with it.
 
I wouldn't describe the iprocin come up as harsh, exactly, but I remember being quite surprised by it my first time. It can be EXTREMELY stimulating. But I agree with kinetic, it's a lovely feeling. The AcO version doesn't touch it, for psychedelia or for the pure physical rush.
 
jebusjoe2003 said:
I agree with MGS, it's definitely my "foxy".

But keep my words in context. :) It's more than a foxy to me. That is a word I associate with, what most consider, a strictly recreational psychedelic. Iprocin does feel fantastic, and produces the enhanced state of sexual stimulation that 5-MeO-DiPT is said to produce for so many.

But unlike 5-MeO-DiPT, it is a fantastically deep psychedelic (even at low dosages) and has rivaled LSD at times in depth. Iprocin was called by a friend on mine, "God's medicine" in the way that sacred mushrooms and other psychedelic plants were referred to as part of "God" by the shamans that used/use them. I don't think I disagree with him either!

I found something fantastically cosmic and profound in iprocin that I can't yet name in words, but is very real and felt by others in my "circle." This one for me has really has proven to consistently produce a rich state which (on the four times I have tried it so far) provided me with a lot of new lessons to play with.

You don't hear of that with 5-MeO-DiPT (foxy) too often. *Some* at high dosages find it deep, but then you got a bodyload that isn't very good. Stuff is pretty much useless in my opinion, but I'm glad others can make something good of it.

Perhaps my preconceived notions have biased me beyond my report being useful, but I have a feeling that 4-AcO-DiPT (which I have not tried yet) will be my real "foxy" since that one seems to emphasize the sensual part of the iprocin trip more, and the mental/psychedelic part less.
 
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jebusjoe2003 said:
Has anyone tried the Iprocin / MDMA combo yet?
I've never felt the urge to combine those two. Iprocin is, more often than not, highly euphoric for me already, and it feels like it would almost be a waste of a good roll to add MDMA to it. I usually only feel the need to add MDMA to a psychedelic that has more of an edge to it, like LSD.

But I'd like to hear the opinion of anyone who's actually tried it.
 
1. There isn't a specific number to give you. It would depend on how you personally are handling the subsequent weeks afterward.

2. Probably. I've yet to learn of a substance that DOESN'T do this (with the exception of maybe cannabis)

3. If you dose both drugs at the same time, I have a feeling the iprocetyl will hit first, NOT the mdma. And if you really value your safety you should be testing your 'mdma" pills out ahead of time. Caffeine and ephedrine (and actually, maybe even the mdma itself) probably *will* have an affect on the iprocetyl, so be forewarned.

4. NO! The two drugs are so vastly different from each other they barely deserve being compared to each other. If you want my advice, I say try not to go into this thinking it's going to feel like ecstasy. Just have an open mind... why do you feel the need to compare it to mdma?
 
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