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Tryptamines The Big & Dandy 4-HO-DiPT Thread

I'll definitely report back. I've been meaning to try it out for quite a long time now. Either the weekend after next, or possibly late this week, I think. Your music enhancement comment has got me more excited now... I've been looking for something to take and just listen to music with my eyes closed. Ever had 2C-E? How does the music enhancement compare with that? 2C-E has the incredible ability to create stunningly vivid and kaleidoscopic soundscapes.
 
Xorkoth,while colour is indicative of degradation,it always way overstates the degree of degradation.I posted an HPLC stability study with a methanolic solution of it:

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?p=2942755#post2942755

"I was curious how stable this 4-HO stuff really is.5-MeO-DIPT.HCl,DPT.HCl,DMT freebase and such stuff can be stored unchanged for years at RT when protected from light.

4-Acetoxi-indol itself,storing at 0° in a brown container for about 7 years showed still a pure product according to HPLC.I've recently checked freshly obtained 4-HO-DIPT which were grey crystals with a purity >99%.The methanolic HPLC solution (2mg/ml) was let standing at RT in the light and reassayed:after 6h,it was still unchanged and colorless.4 days later a slight discoloration towards a grey/violetbrown got apparent but HPLC looked still fine,only a very little noise in the baseline starting to stick its head out.
15 days later,the solution has turned brown and the content has fallen to about 92%.As a general rule,discoloration is a valid indicator of degradation but usually overstates the degree.

I would not store unfreezed solutions of these compounds (maybe only in degassed liquid and with VitC or BHT added at 0° with no light present) for longer periods.As pure crystals I'm confident they will hold purity rather long if kept in freezer/light protected.The hydrochlorides are probably considerably more stable.Will check the 4-HO-MIPT as well now."

The Hydrochloride is way more stable,this seems confirmed now.Quick check is if its watersoluble,then its the hcl salt.
 
That's odd because I have a few caps of iprocin I made up in 2003, and found them this weekend when I was cleaning, and they are same color as they are the same greyish color as when I capped them. It's been a long time, but I am near positive this iprocin is a salt, not the base. Dunno if that makes any difference. The caps were in my camping gear which was stored in a closet.
 
Fuck, I just read through this whole thread and I think I'm going to sample this material (4-HO-DiPT) tonight, at 20mg. This thread has me looking forward to it, for sure. I'm going to lay down on my bed with eyes closed and listen to music, and see where I can go. I'll report back in detail.
 
I have a question that I could use an answer to rather quickly. I've just attempted to dissolve my 4-HO-DiPT in water, as I could swear I heard it's soluble and that alcohol is a bad solvent to use. However, it seems to be having a lot of trouble dissolving. Am I just flat out wrong? Should I add an acid? I'm looking for an answer myself but the time draws near, and I've been unsuccessful so far.
 
You have the freebase, which is not water soluble. Add an acid (a few drops of diluted acetic or hydrochloride works great).

Edit: Time Paradox!!! Let us know which works. :)
 
That was interesting. I can't really remember the entire experience. I think I was too effective in my meditation. I've never quite experienced music in that way, nor that exact type of thought distortion. I had a strange sort of head tension the whole time, that bordered on painful up until rather recently. I can't quite explain this tension, but it felt very alarming at times. The material was visual but in a way which I'm at a loss to describe. It made everything look as if it were alive and moving like an animal. The intensity would fade in and out - at one point I realized I had had my eyes open for a while but had only been seeing whatever spinning tryptamine world I was visiting.

Anyway, I'm trying to sleep on it before I solidify and observations, but I'm left with a residual stimulation and a complete lack of tiredness. Hence this post.
 
I got a chance to try this a couple of days ago; about 20mgs of HCl freebase. The effects are pretty much as advertised...fast comeup, not too terribly stimulating. I found the visuals and the headspace a little underwhelming, but not at all unpleasant. I did experience a little nausea, which is unusual for me with tryptamies, but it wasn't too bad.

My friends and I found ourselves rather uncoordinated, and with just enough of a tryptamine jangle that we mostly wound up smoking joints to calm ourselves over the three hours.

I'd say it was a +++ experience, not incredible, but I'd do it again.
 
Inappropriate said:
I got a chance to try this a couple of days ago; about 20mgs of HCl freebase.
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It's either the salt (hydrochloride) or the free amine (free base), but not both.
 
4-Aco-DIPT is the gem IMO ... 35 mg of the HCl for a 170 lb male = transcendent ecstasy.

20 mg of the hydroxy or the acetoxy would be underwhelming though. This one is an anomaly in the 4 substituted tryptamine series. 4-xx-dmt, det, and mipt are much stronger as freebases than their 4-xx-dipt counterpart (strongly active at 20 mg). I worked my way up to 40 mg 4-HO-DIPT which was quite amazing, but some excessive stimulation. 35 mg 4-ACO-DIPT was MORE AMAZING, possibly my most memorable psychedelic experience yet. And I am someone that was totally blown away with 22 mg 4-Aco-MIPT HCl. Up the 4-xx-DIPT dosage and you will be pleased.
 
Hmm... At 26mg 4-AcO-DiPT freebase I was at a strong +3 that I don't think I'd push. The visuals weren't terribly impressive, but communication was near impossible and there was some body weirdness.

Alternatively, I think 4-HO-DET and 4-AcO-DET are on fantastic at astral doses. I don't like to push the doses of tryptamines much anymore after a couple of my friends took seperate trips to the ER, though (on 4-HO-DiPT and 4-AcO-DiPT).
 
nuke said:
It's either the salt (hydrochloride) or the free amine (free base), but not both.
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Well, I'm no chemist :D
I just know it didn't dissolve in distilled water, life fumarate salt does. It is the HCl salt, though.
Oh, and it was Iprocin (4-HO)...

*Goes to the back of the class*
 
nuke said:
Hmm... At 26mg 4-AcO-DiPT freebase I was at a strong +3 that I don't think I'd push. The visuals weren't terribly impressive, but communication was near impossible and there was some body weirdness.

Alternatively, I think 4-HO-DET and 4-AcO-DET are on fantastic at astral doses. I don't like to push the doses of tryptamines much anymore after a couple of my friends took seperate trips to the ER, though (on 4-HO-DiPT and 4-AcO-DiPT).
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I suppose everyone reacts differently ... good reason to always start low and work your way up. 25 mg 4-Aco-DIPT put me at a strong ++ or maybe a very light +++. At 35 mg, the visuals, especially CEVs were absolutely stunning and there was no body discomfort. Actually, I experienced the polar opposite of body discomfort ... best psychedelic sex enhancer I've ever come across. And I still didn't have any trouble communicating, where as 22 mg 4-Aco-MIPT put me 100% incommunicado.
 
I just deleted exactly 200 posts from this thread. We just went from 13 pages to 5! :D Everything I purged was stuff that just kept getting repeated over and over again due to people not reading the whole thread.

This was the first of all the B&D threads to be trimmed down, and I will work on more each day. Hopefully this will be easier for you all to read! :)

EVERYTHING BEFORE THIS POINT HAS BEEN CLEANED
 
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nuke said:
It's either the salt (hydrochloride) or the free amine (free base), but not both.
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I found the magic above 20mg. 26mg was a +4 dosage and 20mg was not enough. Maybe try a little higher next time.
 
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morninggloryseed said:
Maybe try a little higher next time.
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I don't know... I've tried it a couple of more times since my OP, and I just don't feel like this offers me anything near what Miprocin gives me.

The main advantages to Iprocin are slightly less stimulation and a shorter duration.
On the downside, the visuals aren't nearly as impressive, I don't find the headspace quite so insightful, and with Iprocin it's hard to work up the motivation or ability to do much more than smoke weed and play with glowsticks for 3 hours (not that there's anything wrong with that).%)
 
Just goes to show how everyone is different. I agree iprocin is the less visual one (compared to miprocin) but by far, the headspace is far more insightful with iprocin as compared to miprocin..in fact I didn't find any insight with miprocin at all while two of my iprocin trips verged on being +4 type trips.

Both miprocin trips were filled with warm laughter, and lots of love-making...but no deep conversations, telepathic experiences, or moments of mystical oneness.

Neither drug was stimulating but iprocin had a much stronger 'body high.' Wonderful one at that.
 
Stability issue

I know it is best to store 4-ho-dipt at zero degrees, but if it were to be stored dry, in an airtight container, with no exposure to light at room temperature, how long do you think it would stay above 90% pure? Also, at what point of purity do you think it would stop degrading? (I assume that even if stored as above it would not ever degrade to zero potency)
 
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