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Tryptamines The Big & Dandy 4-HO-DiPT Thread

4-acetoxy tryptamines

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By recovery period, do you mean the time until the same dose will have a comparable effect, or time until it hits you in a wow-mindblowing effect. If the former, it's about 7 days (similar to psilocybin), if it's the latter, well nothing ever matches the first time.

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Iprocetyl (as Church stated), has one of the fastest onsets for an oral psychedelic. You'd need to take the MDMA at least 30 mins beforehand if you want the MDMA to show first. Meth will (if ipracetyl behaves like psilocin) increase the intensity, but with more anxiety in the early stages. Ephedrine is quite simply horrible because of the anxiety generated.

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There are lots of chemicals that would be classed as more MDMA like than ipracetyl (a lot of phenethylamines and poss some other tryptamines). Of the commonly encountered psychoactives, ipracetyl is most like psilocin (shrooms)
 
Hmmm, describing iprocetyl as "the best option for an MDMA type experience with more tactile sensation and greater sexual drive" is a bit misleading, if you ask me. I mean, I can see how someone might make the connection, but along those same lines, I could say that "a good deep-tissue massage is a great alternative to an MDMA experience." See, there's kind of a jump being made there, no matter how true that statement actually is...

Yes, iprocetyl will cause tactile enhancement, yes it may increase your sexual drive... but just try not going into the experience thinking it's going to be like an MDMA experience minus the empathy and talkativeness. The two experiences are very different, and if you set yourself up with a predisposition to compare the two, you might miss out on what the iprocetyl has to offer.

Trust me. The two drugs are extremely different. Hardly worth comparing to each other. If anything, I would say iprocetyl is the best alternative to a shroom trip, minus the ego-dissolution and full-blown psychedelia.
 
flux21 said:
what then IS the MDMA alternative for the experience desired???
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There is none! Having sampled well over two dozen different synthetic psychedelics...I can say that statement with confidence. Indeed, some of the ones I have tried do share some effects with MDMA over a broad spectrum of catagories (2C-B, 2C-I, 2C-T-7, methylone, and even DiPT come to mind). But none offer an experience that can even remotely be considered an alternative to the type of experience MDMA provides; not even MDMA's beta-ketone...methylone. These chemicals are best experienced and looked towards for the unique psychedelic state each provides...not for how much alike they may be to other psychedelics such as MDMA.
 
zap1 said:
Would it be safe to mix a MAOI (Syrian Rue) with 4-HO-DIPT?
(with dietary observations)
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I just thought I would report that a recent attempt to do this (iprocin + moclobemide) was extremely unpleasant. The physical side effects of the iprocin were magnified to a worrying degree (heart rate and blood pressure) and the mental effects were disappointing and somehow "squelched". Not recommended, or at least, proceed with extreme care.
 
I tried 4-aco-dipt @ 32mg last night (19mg plus 13mg 90 minutes later) and a very productive evening was had. This material is very good for inner conflict-resolution, and it's also very sensual.

I experienced nausea while I was reveiwing my psychological issues and when I felt some resolution, the nausea vanished. However, I did end up with a slight headache later in the evening but it wasn't all that bothersome.

My mood today was excellent, surprising since xmas hasn't been all that much fun.

I did get one strange effect. I took the first dose at midnight and the second 90 minutes later, expecting an experience of around 4 hours. That's why I chose 4-aces.... its short duration. But at 10am the next morning (10 hours later) I was still going strong, even after popping a 2mg melatonin to help me sleep.

I get this effect on LSD also. A normal dose will keep me tripping pretty solidly for 24 hours, sometimes more.

I wonder if some people metabolise tryptamines differently?
 
Very good friend of mine has had this 'extended' tripping syndrome on a number of occasions as well.

More often than not with tryptamines, actually: mushrooms (single dose of fresh mexican, just far too much), 5meodipt (22mg, again, this is too much, and it was also on top of e).

But it has also happened with LSD, on a number of occasions.

With the PEA's my friend has tried so far this does not seem to happen - the only that lkasted longer than was desired was 2C-C because he had redosed toward the tail-end of the peak in a moment of euphoria and then spent hours wishing he could sleep when the euphoria left...


oh, and said friend has also tried 4-AcO-Dipt at a modest 9mgs approx., and he found it strong enough to find special meaning in the present moment and yet subtle enough to enjoy spending time in an unfamiliar setting with a (very lovable) person he did not know very well.
 
^^ Yes, 4-AcO-DiPT is really only "good in a social setting" at low doses. I can't remember exactly what my dose was on the trip where I decided it was a good social drug, but it was around 10mg probably.
 
When it comes to nitrogen substitution of phenethylamines and tryptamines, they are two differnt beasts. Most tryptamines require a tertiary amine configuration on the sidechain nitrogen in order to be active (other than the alpha-alkylated tryptamines), whereas phenethylamines require a primary amine function (except for the 3,4-methylenedioxy compounds which will work with a small N-alkyl group).

N,N-di-isopropyl-3,4-methylenedioxyamphetamine had chance to be inactive, or at best, some sort of beta-adrenoreceptor agonist (N-isopropylphenethylamine derivatives are generally found to be beta-adrenergics. A lot os asthma drugs have that sort of configuration)
 
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flux21 said:

Has anyone tried to replace the nitrogen atom of MDMA with the sex enhancing substitution pattern of N,N-diisopropyl ??? Personally, I'm very curious.
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Well, there is the "MDA version" of DiPT, which is 4,5-MDO-DIPT. It produced threshold effects at 25mg, which were said to be LSD-like.
 
I'd say it (coke + 4-AcO-DiPT) would depend on how much you like the mental state produced by stimulants, such as cocaine. I do enjoy a little bit of coke now and then, but cocaine is not something I'd want to experience while tripping. So, this is not something I'd do, but your experience may vary.
 
I don't like coke (actually, I don't like me when I've had coke, but it equates to the same thing), but my experience of mixing amphetamines with tryptamines is that it makes it more intense in a white-knuckle ride sort of way (that most probably equals more anxiety, but I really like amphetamine, so anxiety is something I just have to live with).

I haven't had 4-acetoxy DiPT, but with 4-hydroxy DiPT, amphetamine did what it does with other tryptamines i've taken (ie as described above)
 
I had my first experience with this chemical last friday at 22-24mg.
The body buzz is excellent, as droppedcivic mentioned. I felt very warm inside and it reminded me alot of a nice dose of MDMA. I would go so far as to say it is perhaps the best body buzz ive ever felt from a psychedelic aside from MDMA.
The visuals reminded me of mushrooms at the 2.5-3.5g level.
The mind trip was the best part though. It felt extremely erotic to me. At times i felt as if i was making love to the music i was listening to and then i would proceed to have a mental orgasm in the form of CEV that would become extremely colorful until they reached a point at which i felt as if i left my body for minutes at a time.
This comes on quick, i was peacking at the 1 hour point and down from the peak at 3.5 hours. After effects lasted up to the 6 hour point
This is defintely a wonderful substance. I felt no anxiety what so ever yet it still felt completely psychedelic (in the mushrooms and LSD sense).
I spent the entire peak of my trip lying on the floor and smoked marijuana every 30-45 minutes (to me it felt as if a couple hours had gone by.)

In tihkal shulgin mentions how one of the trips flirted with a ++++. I too flirted with ++++ (slipping out of my body and feeling as if i dont exist {or rather not feeling anything}) but sadly all i did was flirt and it never progressed into an all encompassing ++++.
Its a great psychedelic in my opinion. It would also be good for introductions to psychedlics.
Next time i think im going to bump the dosage to 24-28 mg.

=D =D =D =D =D =D =D =D =D
 
I've tried both 4oh-dipt and 4ace-dipt several times, usually at 20-25mg. Would not be able to tell the difference, except 4ace lasts longer. But I found for me even 4oh lasts somewhat longer than the 2-3 hours quoted in Tihkal. About like an eight of good shrooms, but with less visuals. Tried snorting 4ace once, either it's much stronger that way or I misjudged the dosage, or both, because it lasted maybe 8 hours. Noticed that an ethanol solution of 4ace turned almost black over a couple months. No noticable loss of potency.
 
My guess is that nasal administration will work, and will be about twice as potent as oral consumption (given what all my friends have said about every other 4-HO-substituted tryptamine so far, and data we have on 4-HO-DMT oral bioavailability).

The person who snorted 20-25mg on a previous post was probably hitting the equivalent of 40-50mg oral -- a clear overdose for most people.
 
After reading comments here, I decided to try insufflating 12 mg. I cut it into two equal lines, blew one, waited 15 minutes and blew the other. However, I did not notice a significant increase in potency. Perhaps simply waiting 15 minutes, coupled with the quick action of the drug, resulted in such weak effects. Slight OEVs and a psychedelic head-space were the only effects, similar to a 12-16 mg dose.

I'll try again with 12-14 mg, i think, done all at once. Interesting.
 
I would like to mention that miprocin also smokes quite well. Given my level of alchohol intoxication at the sime, I wouldn't venture as guess as to relative strenght, compared to other methods, but two thumbs way up!
 
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A few months ago I received 100mg of 4-HO-DiPT, and never opened it, preferring to keep it sealed in the packaging in the fridge. The other day I opened up the package and looked at the product, and discovered that it is a dark blue color, entirely. Since I've never seen it before now, I don't have anything to compare it to to determine whether or not it has degraded. Does anyone know if a dark blue color is indicative of degradation, especially consider I kept it in a cool, dark, airtight place?
 
Yeah, it shouldn't be dark colored at all. I've never heard of it degrading in a airtight package in the fridge though (freezer would be better). It's probably on it's way to a black goo. If it's still granular and not black, there probably hasn't been too much degradation.
 
The blue color is a bit odd.

All 4-ho/aco tryptamines i have encountered (4 ho/aco mipt, 4 ho/aco dipt and 4 ho det) have been a greyish brown color, except for one sample of 4 aco mipt which was a crystalline white powder.

Although the blue is odd, i wouldnt worry about ingesting it. If anything you will just require a higher dose.

BTW, report beack with the effects. I have had iprocin a couple times and although it wasnt my most spectacualr psychedelic experience it provided me with the best music enhancement of any other drug (including LSD and MDMA). At times while lying on the floor listening to the grateful dead my closed eye visuals would take on a very sexual nature and i felt as though i was having sex with the music.
I havent had any in a couple years now, maybe its time to revisit.
 
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