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☛ Official ☚ The Big & Dandy 4-AcO-MiPT Thread

samadhi_smiles said:
...I hope it works out the same for me and company as it does for you and company.
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i believe it probably will, assuming it's pure. the people who took this substance varied greatly - from 120lbs to 250 lbs, some more experienced than others, male/female, all over the place. the reactions were very consistent and i haven't always found that to be the case w/other rcs.


feelgoodhit said:
i just wish i knew what a FULL +++ was like. i only got to experiment up to 24mg, & it left me wanting to go deeper.
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my impression w/this substance is that there is no really deep place to go. or maybe, the unpleasantness of a high dose would overpower any psychedelic introspection. BUT, a lot of you guys successfully manage heroic doses of these substances. feelgood, maybe a 50mg dose would really show you the light?
 
4-ACO-MIPT Discoloration?

A sample of 4 aco mipt fumarate salt has been stored at room temperature for several months. originally it was a tannish ...slightly brown color. but now it has changed, become darker nearing black or dark brown in some spots. The bag has never been opened. So I ask the following
A) has it degraded in potency
B) has it changed chemically, specifically in a way that would be dangerous

basically could it still be used for testing or should it be discarded or somewhere in between?
 
Thats unfortunate to hear as shulgin remarked on how n,n-mipt is remarkably stable, i was always under the impression that its substitutions would have similar longevity.
since other 4-acetylated tryptamines like 4-aco-det and 4-aco-dipt have not been reported to have toxic products of degradation, i would imagine it is fairly safe. In fact it should degrade into 4-ho-mipt before becoming fully inactive (or then does it degrade into n,n-mipt?)
If your worried start small and carefully observe the effects, make sure to note if its just discoloration or true degradation (loss of potency) and report back to us. If your REALLY worried pour it down the drain or donate it to a mipt kitchen for psychonauts in hunger.

Does anyones else have reports of mipt or its substitutions becoming discolored or loosing potency?
 
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^It could be oxidisation. I don't know how that effects the compound though, but I have known people to get white freebase -DMT's that 'rust' for no forseable reason.
When you say testing, do you mean bioassay? Be careful- but as far as I know it will have only effected the amount of 4-Aco-MIPT.
 
thanks for the imput. if it has oxidized will that change the potency?
also it is different shapes in different areas, some is almost the original tan, so it may be slowly oxidizing.
 
I can't speak for 4-AcO-MiPT, but my 4-AcO-DET has turned from a fine white powder to sandy charcoal-coloured granules over the course of 4 years (I think) in reasonably good storage conditions. It did not seem to lose potency, nor produce any toxic effects.

Very strange.
 
Sorry if this has been brought up. I didn’t want to read through 8 pages in hopes to find an answer.

I’ve had 4-AcO-MiPT for a few weeks, about 120mg. It’s the last my supplier made and I have no access to it any longer. They were in caps of 20mg each that all got soaked with water. All the MiPT is still in the caps but they are melted. The MiPT turned black and looks like it had expanded, but it’s hard to tell. They may have been sitting in water for as long as a week. One thing that worries me most is in another container I had empty caps which were covered in fungus from being soaked as well. The MiPT caps don’t seam to have any fungus. So my question is, is this safe to ingest? I really hope so as I threshold this chemical once and saw a ton of potential for me.

hamhurricane said:
Thats unfortunate to hear as shulgin remarked on how n,n-mipt is remarkably stable, i was always under the impression that its substitutions would have similar longevity.
since other 4-acetylated tryptamines like 4-aco-det and 4-aco-dipt have not been reported to have toxic products of degradation, i would imagine it is fairly safe. In fact it should degrade into 4-ho-mipt before becoming fully inactive (or then does it degrade into n,n-mipt?)
If your worried start small and carefully observe the effects, make sure to note if its just discoloration or true degradation (loss of potency) and report back to us. If your REALLY worried pour it down the drain or donate it to a mipt kitchen for psychonauts in hunger.

Does anyones else have reports of mipt or its substitutions becoming discolored or loosing potency?
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Have you tested this yet? I'm in the same boat. Mine got wet and turned black. My biggest concern is empty capsules in another bag near the 4-AcO-MiPT grew mold on them from getting wet.


juno nightmare said:
thanks for the imput. if it has oxidized will that change the potency?
also it is different shapes in different areas, some is almost the original tan, so it may be slowly oxidizing.
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For 5-MeO-DMT oxidization changes the potency. My supplyier has been providing oxidized 5-MeO-DMT for several months now. He said it doesn't effect the effects of the substance and that it is safe for consumption but lost allot of potency. He provides me with 50% more when it's oxidized and that sounds about right to make up for the loss of potency.
 
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KinkyKetter said:
I’ve had 4-AcO-MiPT for a few weeks, about 120mg. It’s the last my supplier made and I have no access to it any longer. They were in caps of 20mg each that all got soaked with water. All the MiPT is still in the caps but they are melted. The MiPT turned black and looks like it had expanded, but it’s hard to tell. They may have been sitting in water for as long as a week. One thing that worries me most is in another container I had empty caps which were covered in fungus from being soaked as well. The MiPT caps don’t seam to have any fungus. So my question is, is this safe to ingest? I really hope so as I threshold this chemical once and saw a ton of potential for me.
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Anyone? :\
 
eggsminuspan said:
The come-up was amazingly fast and nausea free, the first psychedelic I've tried that didn't have a body load at all.
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I also find the come-up fast and with minimal body load though I can be restless and twitchy a bit during the first hour (this often happens with tryptamines). It also makes me shiver quite a lot even when sitting outside in the sun.

10mg seemed like quite a lot but it calmed down significantly after the peak. Strangely enough, listening to loud psychedelic music brought me straight back to baseline (until I tried to talk to people) but bassy dubstep was extremely spacey and psychedelic while guitar bands seemed distant and small as though they were Lilliputians.
 
About 6 months ago I bought 2 20mg capsules of pure 4-AcO-MiPT one night and took one immediately. About an hour and a half in, i didn't think I was tripping very hard, so I took the other. Then about 15 minutes after that, I freaked out when I realized that was a stupid decision and induced vomiting to try and not kill myself accidentally. (I remembered some other RCs that could possibly cause death with too high a dose, remembered this was a fairly non-studied chemical and decided I didn't want to find out the lethal dose) Luckily, I had absorbed enough to make me trip, as I was already starting to trip and just didn't realize it when I took the second.

It was a really speedy high, and I distinctly remember 3 separate phases of the trip(which I felt was really long). First I was tripping balls, sounds were being amplified visually, and waves of energy were coming out of everything. Then, while continuing this feeling, I started to have this extreme desire to have lots and lots of sex, which was pretty interesting, as everyone else i was with noted the same thing. I felt great, like I'd imagine someone on MDMA would feel like (unfortunately, never tried it). Then, after a while, that feeling started to die down and I just started to feel straight up cracked out while tripping balls. We were all standing around, talking a mile a minute and pacing the floors.

One of my friend couldn't come inside from our back porch for a few hours, so while i was out there with him the sun rose, which was just awesome. There was dew on the trees around our back yard, and when the sun hit them there were just amazing crystalline structures branching everywhere, covering the trees. It was probably one of the most beautiful things I've seen.

4-AcO-MiPT is a great RC in my opinion, although my experience is probably different from most peoples, as the weekend that I took them was the same week I took way too many psychs. I can't remember exactly, but I know I took shrooms on the wednesday and thursday before, then maybe drank that friday, then did this stuff that saturday.

Anyways, I thought the comedown was awesome. We all stayed up all night, then I proceeded to walk around campus on the speedy (not time wise, just feeling) for a few hours until about noon. It was very gradual, no bad feelings other than being tired somewhat, and I took a nice nap that afternoon and was fine.

Has anyone else ever ingested as much of this substance as I did? I didn't even tell any of my friends that night how much I'd taken(I actually didn't tell anyone ever) due to the fact that it was our impression that each 20 mg capsule was a strong dose in the first place. My inducing vomiting (which I only did because I was unsure of the LD-50 of this drug, better safe than sorry eh?) probably affected my absorption, but I'm sure i ingested over 20 mg, as it was about 15 minutes after I took the second capsule and over an hour since the first. The capsules were those gel ones that dissolve really quickly, and i'm fairly sure it was ~100% pure chemical, the volume of the powder in the capsule was minuscule.

Hopefully I'll get to try it again one day, I'd make sure I didn't use anything for several days prior too, to make sure I got the full experience. My friends and I now describe that drug as a perfect all in one combo: Trip like on acid or something, feel great and want lots of sex like on e, then feel like your on amps or some stimulant and still be tripping the entire time, minus a shitty comedown.

Edit: If I come across this stuff again I'll make sure to do a full trip report. I'm fairly certain most people don't really know much about it and its quite a fun experience.
 
^^ Sure, people have taken more, although you did take a high dose. It was definitely better to be safe than sorry, but don't worry, the tryptamines are for the most part quite physically safe. 40mg is not enough to hurt you, although it's certainly enough to trip harder than you had bargained for. :)
 
The 4-AcO-Ts, especially the freebases, are unstable, probably because the acetyl group seems to like to dislodge and go other places like the 3 position. I don't think this has any impact on potency, tests of the degraded compounds before has yielded only very small amounts of the other compounds present.
 
I have found my 4-AcO-tryptamine fumarate salts (which it seems most are being made as now due to stability) to be more stable than any 4-HO-tryptamines I have received. Actually, I have some HCls also that have not appeared to degrade (although who knows, they may have, but they're still pure white).
 
Any recommendations for first time users on this substance?

Obviously, start at the 10-15 mg range. I have read and understand that it may be a bad idea to mix it with alcohol, and that vomiting is possible.

Several people recommend bumping, but there is not really a high comfort level with that. If it is going to be consumed orally, would a capsul or mixing it with liquid be more effective?

The powder has been sealed but has not been kept in the freezer. There has been a low level of discoloration, but it is certainly not black and has not liquified at all. From what I have read here, I understand that it is acceptable for this compound to discolor somewhat.

Does eating alter the effectiveness or comeup for this compound?

Is anyone aware of any dangerous interactions?

I have read most of this thread, but may have missed something, sorry if I missed the answers to these questions.
 
Just a heads up to avoid combining provigil with 4-aco-mipt. One of the worst psychedelic experiences I have had. 200mg provigil followed by 10mg 4-aco-mipt about 4 hours later produced significant nausea, tachacardia and severe tinnitus. The trip also never really got going, just a flu-like feeling and some trails. Last night sucked hard, and I still dont feel quite back to normal. Tread with caution...
 
i'm not sure what provigil is (goes to look it up) but if it causes a reaction with 4-aco-mipt, it can be assumed it causes a reaction with all tryptamines/serotonergic psychedelics. Just an expansion to your warning.
 
^its also known as modafinil or benzhydrilsulphinylacetamide (sp?). Its a stimulant used as a smart drug

Needless to say I wont be doing anything but smking weed on days I take provigil:\
 
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