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Tryptamines The Big & Dandy 4-AcO-MET Thread

Has anyone taken the 4-aco-met from the infamous canadian distributor? If so how would you say it was quality wise?
 
It's been 4 or 5 years since I've taken this. May have to give it another swirl round the old 'noggin again this spring or summer sometime. The 4-AcO-MET & 4-AcO-DET I got back then both gave me mild but significant tremors for a short time on the come up. Haven't really had that happen since though. Go figure...
 
Yeah that infamous Canadian distributor's 4-AcO-MET is glorious. I think it's one of, if not the, strongest 4-subbed trypt.

4-AcO-MET is awesome, my favorite 4-sub alongside 4-HO-MiPT (4-AcO-DMT as well but that's for more "serious" trips). 4-AcO-MET is what LSD would be if it were a 4-subbed trypt, beautiful stuff, ecstatic body high, lovely, intense visuals that are like a direct middleground between LSD & shrooms/4-AcO-DMT (LSD colours/brightness w/ the shroom/acetylpsilocin character), classic psychedelic headspace- lucid, mystical, introspective. This is definitely one of those chems I'll consume vast quantities of over time.
 
CaptainKratom said:
Has anyone taken the 4-aco-met from the infamous canadian distributor? If so how would you say it was quality wise?
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Maybe. I *think* I like it better than their 4-aco-dmt.

How is this one nasally? Orally 10 mg at all once was almost too much.
 
Nice :D, thanks for the replies. I've heard a couple complaints about their recent batch of 4-ACO-DMT so I was a bit skeptical but then again they've had this in stock well before the new psilacetin batch came out. So I've got a question about dose as I'm confused, the post above and a couple more in the beginning of this thread makes it sound like Metacetin is more potent then Metocin but you've also got people saying the opposite so what dose would you guys say is equivalent to 30mgs of Metocin? My first trial with Metocin was at ~12mgs and it was slightly over threshold, 20-30mgs seemed to be the sweet spot for me depending on how deep I wanted to go. Also, would you say 4-ACO-MET has more depth than 4-HO-MET?
 
It's funny because my first impression of their new 4-aco-dmt was that it was a bit sub par. But additional tests have pretty much confirmed (for me anyways) that their 4-aco-dmt is the best I've ever had. Producing the most intense DmT like closed eye visuals I've ever experienced on 4-aco-dmt.
 
I haven't had metocin but I know Reddit seems to agree that metacetin is stronger and requires less for comparable effects. Can staggered and/or nasal dosing reduce the body load? The whole time after 10 mg orally, I felt like I was choking back a flood of saliva, and my lower back/kidney area hurt.

Interesting re: new batch of 4-aco-dmt. The batch I have is OK, but I would probably give it away to a friend if I knew another batch was coming...whereas other things I hoard.
 
Huh, weird, I don't usually get much bodyload on 4-subtryptamines... unless I succumb to come-up anxiety, then I get lots of psychosomatic bodyload. I suppose some of them do give me saliva/mucous production, but I have never experienced pain (even when anxious).
 
The pain came at the tail end of the comedown/next couple days. I was also shaking a lot, teeth chattering, vasoconstriction-type symptoms. It seemed to come and go. How does one differentiate between psychosomatic and actual bodyload..?
 
I don't know, it's tough. Some drugs produce obvious physical symptoms, such as vasoconstriction (if your veins become super tiny and you feel pulling when you stretch your arms out, it's obviously something physical). But if you just feel a general discomfort or malaise, or even pain, it CAN be psychosomatic. My main reason for believing this is because of my experiences with 2C-E. Whenever I let the difficult come-up get to me and fail to rise above it, 2C-E feels like poison. But if I am able to get past it, then it dissipates into a beautiful feeling by the time I reach the peak. It showed me just how much your mental state can affect the way you feel. Also consider depression, which can cause a person to actually feel pain, but the pain is not caused by anything but the mental state.
 
Ehh, Reddit is the last place I would trust info from but It wouldn't hurt to take it into consideration... I'll start my trials at 15mgs when I decide to place an order. FWIW, Metocin, when taken towards the mid-tail end of an aMT trip, caused some slightly worrying back pain that felt different from the back tension I usually experience, the pain was mildly sharp and unresolved with hamstring stretches, acetaminophen, etizolam, and kratom. The pain eventually dissapated when the 4-HO-MET was a couple hours. There was also extreme diuresis coupled with pressure urinating, it was quite worrying for a little while. All problems aside 4-HO-MET was great material, surprisingly I found that it had more depth than others claim. It reminded me of DMT more than any other 4-sub while also retaining the "gothic" nature that 4-subs bring me.

I had taken the combo (aMT/Metocin) a couple times before and the trips were great and with no side-effects. I think there's something about 4-HO-MET that has this likelyhood of causing either kidney problems or strange back pains in a small minority of users and I actually made a thread about 4-HO-MET and kidney problems as there are a few reports of the that type of stuff on the web. The consensus in that thread was that Metocin was a very smooth and gentle chem on the body, which was true, but not on that one occasion. However, some of these people may just be experiencing lower back muscle tension and two of the few reports may be linked back to the same person going on how the person explained the scenario.

Here's a small collection of three reports of these kidney problems associated with 4-HO-MET, the top two reports sound similar though so I'm not sure what to make of them. IIRC there are about one or two more reports of this problem.
NSFW:
http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=93540

Most other complains are buried in threads...

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/show...umber/17789788 " I have never felt any negative effect from mushrooms.

However after using 4-HO-MET (a psilocin analog) I suffered pretty severe kidney pains on the comedown and pissed dark and smelly urine for over a week.

This happened to me twice after using that compound. The second time it got so bad I went to the doctor after a couple of days, but they did not find anything wrong with the sample (of urine) I provided. Needless to say I will not be taking anymore of that stuff.

The experience itself was quite nice though."

http://www.rollitup.org/hallucinator...periences.html

"The only bad experience was kidney pains"

And here's my thread, "4-HO-MET kidney problems"

http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/703623-4-HO-MET-kidney-problems

My last two posts explain the kidney problem scenario.
 
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I always find the 4 aco tryptamines to be superior to the 4 ho subtypes. Recently I have started to enjoy dissociatives combined with say 4 aco dmt (great but not as fun as 4 aco met), 4 ho met, 4 aco met (these two are my personal favorites), 4aco mipt, 4 ho mipt (ok but not as good as the aco counterpart), etc. Those listed are my favorite tryptamines. Doses for me persoanlly range from 20-40 mg depending on type and tolerance at the time of ingestion. Each are unique enough to be easily identifiable in terms of subjective effects from one another. I often use a small dose of benzo or oral opiate with these substances which is nice.

However the real magic is unlocked with the addition of say ketamine or MXE (HR note a dose of benzo is strongly advised when combining these substances especially at high doses of tryptamine and hole level doses of dissociatives). You must achieve the hole combined with the psychedelic to experience the profoundness of this combination. 4 aco met is my personal favorite closely followed by 4 aco dmt. If you have not had the opportunity and are experienced with both tryptamine's and dissociatives perhaps this is the next level these substances have to offer the user. Be safe, have beno's on hand THEY WILL NOT KILL THE EXPERIENCE trust me, they may prevent serious side effects like seizure, MI, stroke etc. I LOVE the combination the OEV's make even high dose DMT seem like nothing. Make fun of my user name as much as you like :). Give it a try it's worth it. ;)
 
I'm in total agreement I believe I obtained from the same supplier. I consumed roughly 50mgs. and the visuals were amazing super good feeling all around. Only downside was I was a bit uncomfortable for the firs hour after insufflation. Though I was feeling a bit under the weather to begin with. It just seemed that I noticed every discomfort. After that though it was great. I also IV'ed what I had left It was intense but not so much as 4-ho-det/dmt was. Going to order more soon. How do you think it would be to do with another person?
 
3 hours after ingestion of 4-ho-met, my sacroiliitis joint pain worsens like tenfold as normal.

I've done 4-ho-met at least 10 times now, and everytime the pain worsens so much. When I take 4-ho-mipt, 4-ho-dipt my pain doesn't worsen, maybe just a little.

I wonder why? According to the literature psilocin should have anti-inflammatory properties.
 
combining 4-aco-met and 4-ho-mipt was was one of the most visual trips I've ever had aside from high doses of LSD. Granted I polished off 100mgs of each one in about 3 hours by sniffing and IVing. No nausea, or weird bodyload either. Just pure bliss.
 
Tripped on 35mg orally with a few friends in the woods just about two weeks ago. Comparable to eating about 2.5g of shrooms but without the deep, conflicting thoughts. No nausea. Some back pains and general physical discomfort that I have found to be common amongst RC's. Majority of the effects lasted about four or five hours. Mild visuals toward the comedown after plopping down on a couch. It's a very easy trip all around. 50mg would have been a better time though8o
 
The first time I did 4-aco-met i took about 60mgs insufflated and it was very visual I was a little ill at the time and felt uncomfortable for a little while during come up almost like amplified all the aches and pains but once I got into it it was awesome. For me like I said in my last post the combo of 4-aco-met/4-ho-mipt is most magical. And depending on dose quite lengthy 6-8hrs or so. unlike say 4-ho-det only seems to last a few hours. Though I should try the oral route and see if it is more or less intense than sniffing. I doubt anything is as intense as IV though, its just over too fast.
 
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