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The Big & Dandy 4-AcO-DMT Thread - Act Three

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Regarding nausea I hear it happens to a minority of people...this happened to a close buddy when tripping but this buddy was addicted to heroin and when tripping had none, so withdrawls kicked in b/c he had no problems regarding body load. We walked around for hours drinking and smoking weed around town (after the first 1hr-2hrs) observing a complete mindfuck, that everywhere we went, only us 2 (still tripping due to weed and alcohol but definatley chiller and coming down)...like I said we went for like a 3-4hr summer walk smoking drinking & pissing in the streets :) Now we would bump into all types of people...for example at the buss stop we asked a guy in his late 20s-30s for a dime bag, he gives us a smoke and goes into a 5min detalied story of how he only deals in kilos/pounds and that he wouldnt know the street price...anyways in this 5min speech he must have said 'street price/value' about 10 times meanwhile he was waiting for the bus and talking me and my friend were looking back at one another both thinking "man we just started drinking, are WE fucked?...is that possible?" We decided tp give the bennefit of a doubt and that it was concidence that the guy was speaking bullshit, so we decided to let it slide...not discuss it further.

I had been with my buddy for about 7-8hrs now, and didnt realize how bad his habbit was...also being high drunk and stoned i noticed he was serious only like the 3rd or 4th time he asked for heroin in that area (when they said no he would laugh b/c of the trip so i didn't realize that he was on a mission). We drank some more, smoked some more, chilled out a bit but b/c we were sitting in the open park drinking & smoking some younger kids came to us to ask us for beer & what we were drinking so my buddy starts again asking for heroin, lol, these are 15-17yr kids, something like 2 guys and 3 girls. One guy out of them comes sits beside us trying to see whats up and we were still enjoying ourselves (introspective) so we dont say much but 'yes' 'uhu' 'yea man' this guy stats telling us he was in prison and how tough he was (my & my friend were coming down, still tripping though for sure, and we both had a nice sharp knife in each sock)....this was annoying me and my buddy too he kept signaling like 'yo wtf does this guy think hes fooling anyone:)' so I started picking on the little sluts he was with b/c they kept yelling at him to get us for alcohol. I say to the little sluts to give us a dance and we judge if they deserve a beer....im pretty sure we gave them at least something to smoke so they wanted more...now the little sluts were telling us they work downtown and they can make our dicks spin. I say to them something really nasty, my friend shit in a bag, pissed in the beer botttles and threw them (bottles and bag of shit), he lost a sock (lost one of my knifes too) and he eventually used his 2nd sock to wipe his ass. I cant remeber who left the park first but those little bitches were natsy and hence persistent :) We noticed a lot of bullshit coming from peoples mouths that night but man an amazing night overall.

btw, when i had high 4acodmt doses (above 30mg) all i could do for the 1st hour or 2 was sit on my back, with eyes open or closed (lights were out) i saw instead of my ceiling only stars and constelations.......and not within long i was suspended in the universe...above the earth and moon...where the air is heavy but perfect even breathing is in synchronisis with the laws of nature/physics and spirituality (stayed in the universe suspended like that 1-2hrs like i said)...beautiful
 
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Mang of course 4-AcO-DMT is blowing your mind. 4-AcO-DMT and 4-HO-DMT are the two most hardcore substances i've encountered. I'd rather take 15 known dose blotters of LSD(say 50-100 mics each) than take 60 mg and above AcO-DMT. Its like a wacky very extreme roller coaster ride, in terms of the actual trip, its power, and for me emotionally as well.
 
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I say it because I find even excessively high dose LSD to be fairly easy going in many respects whereas high dose 4-HO/AcO-DMT are like as stated previously a very, very strong roller coaster ride. I personally find LSD to be better as well only because the others are so difficult and unpredictable. So I would rather take a chance with a huge dose of LSD than a fairly high dose of AcO-DMT. They both have their moments though and purposes. Like blowing your mind......
 
As someone who has taken close to 75mg, I can say that hifher doses of 4-AcO-DMT are most certainly a rollercoaster ride. My entire vision became a swirling pentagram. I was walking into walls thinking I had the ability to walk through them. I kept talking in a Jamaican accent and communicating with dead people. I was then convinced the universe had ended and that I myself caused it by dosing so high. I had a scene somewhat similar to the scene in the matrix where Neo is being questioned by the agents, etc. If anyones interested I'll write a full report. But right now I'm typing this from my phone.
 
cautioususer said:
Damn you make me want to try LSD. Does LSD come with a really powerful cerebral high/euphoric feeling too?
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LSD is the most euphoric chemical i've ever tried. MDMA or say any opiates/iods can't come even close to touching. The euphoria is so pure, beautiful, and meaningful. AcO-DMT/HO-DMT has strong euphoria but not in the same class as LSD(to each his own, though most people find LSD pretty wickedly euphoric).
 
I'd also say "most" people find MDMA more euphoric than LSD (just my most likely statistically correct 2 cents)

although my personal opinion is that it's a bit dim to try to compare the type of cerebral euphoria LSD produces with the kind of physically catalyzed, in-your-face euphoria that MDMA produces. They're different, they have different applications, different pros and cons.

Also, man you guys are lucky, I thought for a minute that I must have insane tryptamine tolerance or something but I remember reading quite a bit of reports of 30-40mg and plus... that's my idea of a good time.
 
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cautioususer said:
Yeah, I hear many people saying LSD is just SO amazing and euphoric, and clearer headed (which I love). I just hear more horror stories from LSD, long term psychological issues (not necessarily serious, but definitely bad), but who knows, maybe it is just as safe as the DMT like molecules because no one knows for sure. I'm also concerned about getting pure stuff, I've heard SO many stories how some stuff is way cleaner than others, which is like playing the ecstasy pill game, fucking hate that. Also hear people who like DMT molecules tend not to like LSD even as much. Maybe, one day I will try it.
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This really isn't true, most people who like tryptamine psychedelics like LSD, especially since LSD is essentially a tryptamine structurally in some respects. That, combine with the fact that mushrooms are almost unanimously agreed on this forum to cause more anxiety and psychological distress than the forgiving LSD, and I think what you have is a cultural misconception rather than reality.

Plus, getting "cleaner" stuff makes no sense, unless you're referring to getting substances on blotter which aren't LSD at all (which really doesn't happen that much). As far as "dirty" vs. "clean" LSD this concept really doesn't make sense given that all that differs is the amount of substance/LSD, or the potency, not some kind of nebulous "clean" quality that LSD retains or doesn't in low vs. high dose?
 
First thing to learn about the psychedelic game is never listen to anyone, unless say they can tell you how LSD works or something intricate. People like to talk about rumors and myths because it makes them sound intelligent "Yeah of course LSD causes more bad trips and long lasting problems!", my answer would be "Oh really? I would hazard a guess thats because LSD is one of the only psychedelics people know off the top of their head and have been hearing horror stories about since birth most likely". I also have to say if mescaline isn't connecting you to music/literally everything in the universe, you might be doin it wrong. I personally never noticed a bodyload from LSD, other people claim to get it from LSD but I don't notice side effects like others do sometimes. As far as bad trips your totally over thinking this. First off any real psychonaut will tell you that bad trips are yes, bad but usually undeniably usual tools in accessing your current mental positioning and the like. A bad DMT trip IMO can be ten times as mind fucking as any other bad trip. I personally have never even had any real negative feelings on LSD though i'm sure it can happen. The main point though is any trip has the potential to be a disater and fuck with your head for awhile(most people just can't get over what they thought/saw, as long as your willing to accept....). You can do anything at a rave, if you know your boundaries. Lots of people would use LSD at parties or raves and lots of other people would not. Its up to you once you've garnered experience with it. As far as side effects just go to erowid, they'll give you a more comprehensive list than I will.
 
^Eh, I understand his point about mescaline, as I never found it to enhance music like LSD, even at high doses - however, the LSD + Mescaline mix is one of my favorites and is almost impossible to go wrong - the gentle head space of mescaline calms down the sometimes sharp head space of LSD into a very euphoric, relaxed, and highly visual/aural experience.

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that's what i was thinking, it's more of a cultural misconception, and why would soemone have more issues with LSD if it's easier to control? i'm not that worried about purity, just potency i guess then. But, honestly i've heard many times from trippers that LSD- if you do have a bad trip- is worse on ur psyche, and have heard of people not feeling normal for a few months even, compared to DMT molecules people feel normal within 24 hours. Anyway, does LSD give a bodyload? what are it's usual side effects, if any? Also i know it's not as easy as mescaline , to control that is, but could you use it at a rave? like a massive outdoor rave in the nature? mescaline doesn't connect me to music enough and im sure LSD would connect me more like 4 aco, but with more control and energy. maybe mix a little of lsd and the mescaline lol?thanks
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To be honest, I've found both LSD and mescaline about equally easy to control - precisely because LSD has no body load. Aside from the recent nbomes, I don't think you'll find a chemical with as many accurate/truthful reports of absolutely zero body load as you will from LSD - remember that body load means negative physical side effects and a little stimulation isn't hard to deal with, nor is exclusive to any psychedelic. However, LSD is the ONLY psychedelic, indeed actually the only recreational substance at all that hasn't at some point made me nauseous, and the only psych to have not made me throw up at some point.

I've never had lasting psychological effects that weren't positive, nor have I read that is common with many other people. You have to understand that at the core LSD is a 5ht2a receptor ligand just like most other classical psychedelics, and though the range of receptor sites it affect is more sophisticated, this range always varies from psychedelic to psychedelic, but this usually just accounts for idiosyncrasies and qualitative variation between chem to chem when it comes to visual, aural, and mental affects, but not when it comes to the way it affects you long term or psychologically after the drug has worn off, the action is just too similar between most of these drugs we're talking about, LSD, mushrooms, mescaline, etc.

They key is to 1) stop putting so much stock into misconceptions, 2) in general, stop putting so much stock into the opinions of others and just have some self confidence - look at how well you've handled 4-aco-dmt! I think you can handle a little LSD, especially if you start at 2 hits max. Believe me, you are much, much likely to get a lower dosed LSD tab than a higher dosed tab in this economy and day of consumerist sleaze bags.

But remember, ultimately the trip is what you make it, set and setting play a larger role than the chemical itself when it comes to receptor site variation between these many different chemicals, especially when you are new to the world of psychedelics and the effects are harder to distinguish from each other in a blind test and the novelty is still new. So in the end, don't let us convince you to take LSD, convince yourself. Mull over the issues we've been discussing, rationally toss ideas against the wall, and make your own decision regarding the likelihood that LSD will cause you any problems, and if you think it is not likely, then bottom's up, go for it! If not, there are always other options you seek - a low dose of 4-aco-dmt combined with a low dose of MDMA, for instance, for a concert, or a small amount of 4-aco-dmt to your normal mescaline dose - etc, the combinations are limitless and you have enough time to try them out in the privacy of your own home, with your own friends, to get a feel for them before you utilize them in public. :)
 
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^Eh, I understand his point about mescaline, as I never found it to enhance music like LSD, even at high doses - however, the LSD + Mescaline mix is one of my favorites and is almost impossible to go wrong - the gentle head space of mescaline calms down the sometimes sharp head space of LSD into a very euphoric, relaxed, and highly visual/aural experience.
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If you happen to like 2c-E, throw it into the mix. LSD+Mescaline+2c-e is my favorite combo of all time.
 
2c-e is my favorite psychedelic, and 2c-e + LSD has actually been my favorite psychedelic combo by far. Throwing in mescaline to the mix is very tempting... but I'm very prone to nausea and body load and 2c-e and mescaline together sounds like a physical train wreck. Maybe if I kept the 2c-e and mescaline doses low and the LSD higher?
 
My favorite dose was. 750 mgs mescaline cit.+4 hits of LSD+20 mgs of 2c-E. That was for a very strong trip though. If you experience nausea you could always take something to quell it in the beginning as mescaline has nearly a 100% vomit streak for me. I find it worth it to puke and never use anything but lately have had some stomach issues so multiple vomiting sessions aren't so great for this time(if I know the psychedelic will be over a 50% chance of nausea/vomiting I take 4-8 mgs of Ondansteron). As far as bodyload, I usually don't notice this much but if it starts getting unbearable I just take some Baclofen or if its vaso problems Propanlol(theres some over the counter aids for both these issuses though they probably won't be as efficient). If you can't find anything to help the symptoms/don't want to take anything else, then I would suggest lowering the doses. 250 mgs Mescaline+2 hits LSD+13-15 mgs 2c-E sounds pretty easy going to me.
 
My 2c-e/LSD dose was about 40mg and 200mics. At that dose, I had no body load at all - less than what I usually receive from 20mg of 2c-e alone.
 
Thanks for the feedback Ephrem and Square Root! Should be receiving my order tomorrow or the next day. Not quite ready to dose as I'm still planning my trip and learning all I can about the ACO. Nausea is honestly my biggest fear, but the only drug to ever give me uncontrollable nausea was mescaline cacti, which is a phenethylamine. Hopefully it won't happen, but I have plenty of ginger root and anthistamines on hand for if it does :) "Bad trips" I can and have handled just fine.
 
If you want to avoid nausea, might I suggest dissolving your 4-aco in a drink, and slowly sipping on it, as slowly as you can. When I dosed this way, it was the only time I didn't experience nausea on the comeup.
 
You come up pretty quickly even when you drink it slowly. Slower than just eating it at once, of course. When I did it that way, I worried that I had taken too little or it wasn't going to work, but then BAM-- tripping.
 
I like to dissolve it into a drink as well. I do, however, have an unusually fast come-up time for almost all drugs and with 4-AcO I'm full-on tripping by the 20 minute mark with this method.

By the By, I haven't been on here in awhile cause my PC's been fried, but what's with this Health Canada BS? Any developments in it? I decided to restock on 4-AcO lately and, lo and behold, all my sources stopped shipment/went the way of the scammer. C'est las vie, I suppose, but would've been nice if I'd kept up on the debate and prepared for it >.<
 
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Anyone tried plugging this stuff? How much mililiters for dissolving?

Last time I've tried psilaceting I've got bad trip, but it was such an overdose plus I sniffed it (kicks in much faster and stronger... As I had the "pleasure" to experience that) together with methoxetamine. Dose of psilaceting was 40mg... Don't try that.

Still, even still, after the bad trip, I puked. That was one of the worst things actually of that whole day. Not the bad trip itself, but puking.

So? Per rectum? Dosage?
 
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