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The Big & Dandy 4-AcO-DMT Thread - Act Three

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squarerootof23 said:
You're a good person for helping me out.

Yes, my first such experience.

Here's what scares me a little: I don't know if the intensity tracks linearly with dosage. So, if I back off to 5 mg (half of the ten I took), will the impacts be about 50% of what I went through with 10 mg? Or, is it non-linear, so the intensity at 5 mg would be about the same as 10 mg, and I need to go down to something like 3? I just would like to minimize the physical suffering I went through as I'm testing out various doses.
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It's not linear... it's more like an exponentially increasing function. Regardless, 5mg should certainly not be too much. Even 7-8mg or so will be noticeably less intense. You're doing the right thing, titrating your dose to figure out what your body responds to best. Hopefully you find a dose that works well for you. Good luck!
 
The dose response curve is not as steep or exponential as some psychs, but it's certainly not linear. What I've found is there is a massive and quick tolerance that can build after your first dose, and can last a week or two. There is also a cross tolerance with phenethylamine psychs like 2cb.

Depending on what I've taken in the fortnight prior, I've had 40mg do nothing, and other times, it's knocked me clean on my arse. I've found 18-22mg to be a good starting point for most people I've introduced to it. 40mg is where I like to be though.
 
A 5mg dose taken orally gave me more than i expected. It was fun but there were downsides aswell. I can certainly imagine that, if you've never had a psychedelic before, 10mgs is overwhelming.

Pros: very visual, very colorful: almost N,N-DMT-like, very clearheaded but still there's some introspection, a little time dilation, some confusion, some euphoria but not on the same level as mushrooms, and at the peak huuuge pupils.

Cons: I think that if you're sensitive to carsickness or motionsickness in general 4-ACO-DMT can give you a hard time. Especially in the come-up there were physical effects reminiscent of mushrooms, but with a chemical edge. Nausea and dizziness could become an issue at higher doses, but from a recreational standpoint, 5mgs is a good dose.

Perhaps 4-ACO-DMT is a compound that's better suited for plugging. I've never done that before, but since it's so visual for me i would like to explore a higher dose.

All in all it was a pleasant surprise. Compared to other substituted tryptamines 4-ACO-DMT is very active in low doses, and reminds me a lot of mushrooms.
 
So as a general rule of thumb; what is the minimum amount of time one should wait before tripping again? Just asking cos i tripped on this stuff 2 days ago and am itching to trip again :!
 
There's plenty of information about tolerance--- treat it like mushrooms and i'd say a week is a good spacing. Obviously if you have three days in a row with no responsibilities feel free to trip all three days, but be aware that some people are much more sensitive to "losing touch with reality" than others.

For two days' tolerance, i'd say increase dosage to 60% above your previous dose and you'll probably be fine.
 
3 days ago i had about 10-15mgs and then yesterday i did 10mg, which produced a nice light trip. In terms of side effects 4-AcO-DMT seems to have very little. I can see it replacing my once a week stimulant use, which will hopefully be less taxing on the brain and body than the stimulants.
Very glad too have found this stuff. Will also be buying some 4-HO-MET to be used in the same manner :)
 
I was at a small fest (~1500 people) last weekend where I enjoyed some 4-AcO-DMT on Saturday evening. I had planned to take it Friday but I met someone who turned me on to a couple of blotters, so that was that. Anyways, Saturday afternoon I ate a sandwich just before noon, then around 4 p.m. I dropped 200mg of Methylone to get things started. During a band switch around 7 p.m. I ate 15mg of 4-AcO-DMT. I had weighed this at home prior to the fest - my scale is not the best but with repeated weighings I'm pretty confident that I had between 13mg and 16mg in the cap. Me, I'm 6', 185# and am reasonably experienced with psychs, tripping about once or twice a month for the past year or so, primarily with 2C's but also shrooms and some occasional n,n,DMT.

The headliner was a Dead cover band (very good!) and after a few songs I noticed that my vision was becoming much sharper and intense. Colors were enhanced, sound was excellent and my body felt very fluid and natural. I didn't experience nausea at all, but I did yawn quite a bit. The 4-AcO-DMT felt 'smoother' than shrooms; more consistent rather than the waves I often feel. Very nice head & body feelings. Some light confusion but it was more like a concentration matter; I was so into the music that it would take a few moments for me to pull my mind back together to talk to someone. Some light CEVs which were hugely enjoyable with the music. After the show was over, we walked back to the campsite with no difficulty, even though the ground looked rather wavy and as if I was continually going downhill, even on flat land. After arriving at camp, we burned some fine medical herb and ate 20mg of MXE (finished all that I had left). The MXE added a nice dreamy state & that crazy 'shuffle' walk, and I felt really great. I ended the night a few hours later by laying in my tent & listening to some 1200 Micrograms on my iPod until I passed into oblivion.

I had expected stronger results from the 4-AcO-DMT, but I'm guessing the LSD the night before had setup some tolerance. My previous 4-Aco-DMT experiences (months ago) had been about 5mg by itself, which I felt was just over threshold, and about 12mg combined with 20mg of 5-MeO-DALT & 250mg Methylone (which was a great combo!).

All in all, I have been very pleased with 4-AcO-DMT and have found the negative body effects to be quite minimal - far less than mushrooms. I plan to try 20 - 25mg of 4-AcO-DMT this weekend, alone at home so I can get a better feeling for this chem all by itself in a less distracting situation.
 
squarerootof23 said:
Well, okay, here are my questions:

1) Based on what I reported above, is my experience very atypical for 4-ACO-DMT?

2) If the answer to question #1 above is "Yes", could it be that I am just supersensitive to the stuff, and need to try a lower dose?

3) What would be a good dose to try? I do NOT want to experience that suffering again. So, trying a hit-or-miss dosage experimentation plan sort of scares me.

4) I know that substance ID is not allowed, but is this question allowed: Based on what I experienced, is it so atypical of 4-ACO-DMT that I can pretty confidently say, not what it is, but rather what it is not - 4-ACO-DMT?

I've read so many reports of people saying how "smooth" 4-ACO-DMT is, and how they would go out to parks and toss frisbees or whatever while on this. There was NO WAY I could have done anything like that. I was unable to walk straight, I was passing out, and my mind was somewhere on Europa.
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You're not alone on this. Out of the handful of times I done 4-aco (doses ranging from 25-35mg), I've only not gotten nausea once. And that was achieved by dissolving it in a drink, and very slowly sipping on it. Otherwise I always get a crazy bodyload and nausea during the comeup, which usually results in being restricted to sitting/laying in one spot until I feel better.

Also, at the doses I've taken, I could not imagine being able to go play frisbee in a park. I get some of that drunken feeling, plus I always look a little crazed.

So, I definitely think it was, in fact, 4-aco. My best suggestion would be to take less, and/or dose it as I mentioned above.
 
yaesutom said:
If there was a like button like facebook i'd have like a million likes...

I'm the dude that, didn't invent, but, got a chinese company to finally (after years of searching) synth me some 4-aco-dmt. In 2006.
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And I'm so very glad you did. 4-AcO-DMT was the very first psychedelic I tried and I think without it my life may have just spiralled out of control. Indirectly you have blessed me with a wonderful past year, so thank you very much! May the best of vibes be sent your way :)

squarerootof23 said:
I've read so many reports of people saying how "smooth" 4-ACO-DMT is, and how they would go out to parks and toss frisbees or whatever while on this. There was NO WAY I could have done anything like that. I was unable to walk straight, I was passing out, and my mind was somewhere on Europa.
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Haha, I know the exact Erowid trip report you're referencing with the frisbee tossing, I too read that only a day or two before first taking 4-AcO-DMT. I can tell you though that your experience was definitely typical, and believe it or not, you definitely could have done that. 4-AcO-DMT, and various other psychedelics often have the tendency to, through the bodyload and other action, cause you to feel like you should remain in one place - when in fact, action and exertion can relieve that feeling completely. For example the nausea you experienced is common for me if I don't move about enough, if you just walk around a bit, and have a drink of water, it should disappear.

My first experience was eyeballed so I can't say with any accuracy at all what I took, but I would estimate somewhere close to 15mg given that I only had 100mg to begin with. The experience was overwhelmingly powerful for such a low dose, simply because it was my first psychedelic trip and my first time with the chemical, even the visuals seemed extreme, although later higher doses, and 2C-E blew them out of the water. I don't think anything you said was rather unusual :) Even the stimulation is normal for me, I often lay in bed during the tail end of a 4-AcO-DMT trip and find myself jittering about uncontrollably because I have to move.
 
I just ordered my first ever batch of this chem and have some questions for those who have tried it. Any help is appreciated.

*How does 4-aco affect energy levels? Is it more a 'stimulant' or 'depressant'?

*Does it cause more/less nausea than shrooms? (If you experience nausea with shrooms, that is. I don't, but just wanna see how ACO measures up in this area. Nausea is the one thing I can't handle during trips...or ever).

*What's a good starting dose of 4-aco freebase for someone with no psychedelic tolerance whatsoever?

*Is it anything like DMT? (Never tried DMT, but it sounds nightmarish to me).

*Full or empty stomach for dosing?

There's not much info on the freebase form which is what I'm getting. From what I can gather, it's slightly stronger and degrades faster than the other forms. Would storing it in a dark container in the fridge/freezer be a good idea? ...so many questions! ;)
 
Lady Codone said:
I just ordered my first ever batch of this chem and have some questions for those who have tried it. Any help is appreciated.

*How does 4-aco affect energy levels? Is it more a 'stimulant' or 'depressant'?

*Does it cause more/less nausea than shrooms? (If you experience nausea with shrooms, that is. I don't, but just wanna see how ACO measures up in this area. Nausea is the one thing I can't handle during trips...or ever).

*What's a good starting dose of 4-aco freebase for someone with no psychedelic tolerance whatsoever?

*Is it anything like DMT? (Never tried DMT, but it sounds nightmarish to me).

*Full or empty stomach for dosing?

There's not much info on the freebase form which is what I'm getting. From what I can gather, it's slightly stronger and degrades faster than the other forms. Would storing it in a dark container in the fridge/freezer be a good idea? ...so many questions! ;)
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1. It can be both actually, at first you feel stimulated but as the trip progresses you may become drowsy.

2. I've never been really nauseous on shrooms, but ACO-DMT did have some aspects that makes me believe that if you're prone to car sickness, you may experience nausea during the come-up

3. 10 mgs depending on your weight.

4. It reminded me a little of DMT actually, but only the visuals. Mentally and physically ACO-DMT is a lot like shrooms.

5. Empty.

6. Dark and cool.
 
Yeah, perhaps 10 mgs is a little too much for someone who's without tolerance and experience.

Also, I have fumerate not freebase, so you have to take in to account aswell.

Perhaps an allergy test with couple of mgs is in order, and depending on how that goes, adjust your dose accordingly.

Good luck!
 
Did you try it solo or with friends? Have tried doses at 20mg with friends and had a really good time, but was interested in doing one similar too yours. Just not too sure whether to do it solo or with people.
 
Think i'll give it a go on my own first then and see if i feel like having people there would enhance it for next time. Cheers for going into so much detail for moi :)
 
4-aco-dmt isn't comparable to MDMA in terms of "serotonin activation" because MDMA releases serotonin whereas 4-aco-dmt is a serotonin receptor agonist (that is, it binds to serotonin receptors in the body but it doesn't release the actual neurotransmitter)

I'd also say that the euphoria from a psychedelic like 4-aco-dmt is much more "cerebral" and based on appreciation for things intellectually or from some sort of awe, but the euphoria from MDMA is more artificial and physically catalyzed from neurotransmitters that make you "feel good."

That isn't to say that MDMA isn't every bit as useful as 4-aco-dmt in its own right, it just gets you there by means that are a little less rational, IMO.
 
^ probably closer to 9.2-9.5grams; lol shrooms have different potencies, based on batch, even then they vary. 4-aco-dmt is nothing like MDMA IMO, but if that's all you have as a frame of reference that's fine. 4-aco-dmt reminds me of an LSD like energy, that feeling in the head, very cerebral indeed. MDMA feels more amazing in the body (also lacks that psychedelic punch) but i'm sure everyone sees it a bit differently. 4-aco-dmt is an ass kicker in higher doses but it's still gentle and forgiving. Glad you had a good time with it; if you have some more experience with it i bet MDMA won't be your favourite drug any more lol.
 
4-aco-dmt vs shrooms vs tryps

A buddy once got ahold of a bunch of 4-aco-dmt and he gave me about 1g for myself which i thought id never use. My first dose was 15mg-16mg, which was a glowing experience (no negatives). I did about 10-15 more doses no higher than 20-23mg after which I felt like this was my perfect psychedelic and pushed it even to doses of 30mg and even 50mg (spread out over 6-7hrs).

Its much better than shrooms in my opinion not only b/c there is no nausea but mainly b/c out of my 40+ shrooms trips i've had 2-3 bad trips and about 7 others that could have gone in either way. With 4-aco-dmt there is that well being feeling similar to the energy mdma or lsd gives but much more earthly.

Visual wise....from 16mg-18mg oral dose it was much stronger visually than 7g shrooms (most i've done with shrooms) and without the bodyload of shrooms. Things on 16mg-18mg are unreal, to the point of cartoonish, feeling very amplified.

Tryps i've had besides 4acodmt have included:
- 5-meo-dmt (too strong and no visuals......my own opinion, though amazing afterglows)
- 4-ho-mipt (wonderful, a tie between 4acodmt and 4homipt, both produce amazing psychedelic experiences with no negatives like body aches/nausea/body load. I would say 4-ho-mipt is for those that want an even stronger psychedelic trip than with 4-aco-dmt. While both are tryptamines 4aco doesnt go to the visual level that 4hodipt does, 4hodipt takes tryptamine visuals to a different level (example: starring at a Bob Marley poster for more than 1min I was able to see elephants roaming in a psychedelic indian/buddhist type village observing villagers build and run a beautiful city (like in age of empires #2) The duration is longer though it is just as warm and welcoming as 4acodmt. I've pushed this one to about 70mg-80mg in a 7-8hr period without any negative effects. A positive is that you can control the direction you want your visuals to go, simply think and it happena. The negatives is only if re-dosing, due to its pretty long duration..if u take too much basically like I did you will go well on to the next day thinking that just b/c the very intense part (1st 3-5hrs) has worn off that you are able to function in society but it is impossible to have a conversation and the visuals dont disappear they stop being in your face but if you stare at something you notice they get smaller (like pixels) and even more complex...can cause a freak out. Music should not be missed out on.

4acodmt tried both with friends and without (40+ trips total)
5meodmt both with and without (20+ 'trips' and trips)
4homipt only by myself (25+ trips)
 
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4-aco-dmt is definitely a magical substance, one of my favorite psychedelics for sure. I enjoy the different experiences one can achieve from different doses, e.g. 25mg vs 35mg, with the latter being an all-encompassing, crazy trip. But I wanted to be able to remember more of my trip, as well as focus more on the visuals around me (instead of just going insane), and lowering the dose helped that. Unfortunately I do get a pretty bad bodyload from 4-aco, unlike others (nauseous as fuck), so I am usually stuck in bed/sitting down for the comeup.

My stock of it is all gone, but I'd love to eventually get more and try out a dose comparable to yours. I'm sure it would be an amazing trip. 4-aco is just so immersive, and my mind state on it is one of tons of revelations and unique thoughts. It also seems to bring out a lot of memories from my childhood, which makes sense with the trip itself, as I will multiple times while tripping on it with friends comment that I feel like a baby or a child.

I understand why you're comparing it to MDMA in some sense, because at doses above 25mg (at least for me, but I seem to have a naturally high tolerance for drugs, so for other people the threshold is probably lower), it's incredibly euphoric. And both the OEVs and CEVs are always intense, in a good way. Things melting, swirling around. Rainbow vision in higher doses. All really cool stuff.
 
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