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The Big & Dandy 4-AcO-DMT Thread - Act Four

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Took 45ish mg the other day and had a blast but I was still feeling like I could take it alot further. Thinking of consuming 60 mg. what's everyone think about that?
 
I got the chance to I.V. 15mgs of Acetylpsilocin fumarate 2 days ago, i had a fantastic trip(1st time injecting anything). The on set was very quick, the whole trip felt very euphoric to me. Open eye visual wise everything in my view was shifting/moving, i did not get to the point where i couldnt see objects/furniture at this dose though. I do remember hearing a constant buzzing sound for a good hour to hour and a half. Was very clean, no nausea nothing like that at all. The only thing i could compare it to is smoked DMT but its still a lot different ime. I feel like the trip has left me with a nice after glow, been a good while since my last solid trip like this.

I do not recommend using a needle btw and if your set on doing this do NOT start with a dose you would take orally. A friend of mine just had 7-10mgs I.V. and tripped very hard.
 
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Yesterday I used 105mg of the furmurate intranasally. Wow. This is what I have been looking for. With eyes closed there were constant images of friendly fantastically colored snakes sliding through my thoughts and restructuring them and sending them to another place for final refurbishing. I could not visit this final place as I was told I was just a tripper and needed special clearance.

Kept getting told to open my mouth but when I did this it was way to funny and felt if i opened my mouth it would open so wide and my head would turn inside out and I would eat my head. Huge time distortion, slight body load that dissapeared quickly. OEV of patterns and colours and found it hard to not just lay there, eyes closed. Similar to shrroms and 2cb but very intense and strangely emotional/enlightening. Got to go will update when i have time or might write a trip report to try make sense of this myself.
 
You guys do some large doses. I had some 4-aco-dmt a while back 24-26mgs was good for me I got some big wave like rushes during the peak that felt like much more it would make me black out for a few secs.

Good stuff, fast come up, mild anxiety for a psilo, just a nice smooth trip..
 
I don't think I'll bother with this again, it always makes me feel like I'm gonna hurl. Last experience was great but I barfed the next morning and I'm quite sure the 4-ACO contributed to it.
 
Azron said:
Yesterday I used 105mg of the furmurate intranasally. Got to go will update when i have time or might write a trip report to try make sense of this myself.
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Jesus christ that's a huge dose! Equivalent to roughly 16.5g dry cubes i think (based on psilocybin content of 0.63%)
Please do write a trip report, I'm glad it went well!
Why intranasally though? It comes up quick enough when taken orally ime
 
had a rough experience with this chem last week...
25mg orally started out nice and dandy, but for some reason after 1 h when the fun usually starts ... i was treated to 2 hours of heavy heaving, nausea, bad mood and quite unpleasant sensations. not a bad trip per se, there was no horror or anxious thoughts (thankfully) other than those related to the gut wrenching... after that came a slow decrease in effects. but nothing visual, music sounded normal... very strange... total duration was about 6h, and the same chem produced a dreamy beautiful enlighting trip at 20 mg a couple of months previous...

a case of bad set and setting?
 
Not even the set and setting, but every trip is different, and I've certainly had dark mushroom trips, as well as the beautiful, enlightening kind, and everything in between. That's it! It's an unpredictable drug, I'd say 70% of the time it's awesome though.
 
thats just it, it wasnt a dark upsetting trip, ive had a couple of those too, but this was just ... making me ill for a good 2 hours....

meh, ill give this a rest for a while and try again in the future. who knows, maybe it was something i had eaten or whatever
 
Shooms make lots of people get nausea and unpleasant sensations, I think it is just the nature of the substance for many people.
 
Been trying to write a trip report (105mg)but words cant describe where I went. Just doesn't do it justice. Better and quite different than any mushroom trip, I guess more DMT like than Psilocin with a slight but definite 2c-b familiarity. The first half an hour seemed forever and chose to just lie down on my couch relaxed with eyes closed and it seriously took me somewhere else. After about an hour I went outside for a cigarette and nature was absolutely gorgeous, especially the heavy rain although it was a bit cold.

Psychedelics normally make me spew on come up so doesn't bother me and I could feel that I would be sick, but felt great....I almost felt like nothing..... but the visuals were like a code and I was programmed by light and controlled by friendly snakes and fairies or pixies or something sprinkling dust everywhere so I wouldn't get lost. No anxiety just pure enlightening bliss.

I had a deep look into my behaviors recently and realized what needed to be fixed. I spent today starting to fix these issues.

MrPorter, I think I snorted it as I was out of fresh piks (If I iv'd it I wouldn't have had such a high dose) and prefer the IME quicker and stronger onset but less duration of this route.

Closest feeling to DMT without obviously being DMT....
 
Something similar happened to me, although I still tripped pretty hard. The whole time i felt pretty sick, a few months before it was good. I think 4-ACO just goes bad quickly, my powder still looked/smelled good. It was still snow white, but with a 23 mg dose I was feeling like I was going to barf. All I had eaten for dinner was a fruit salad, had there been any meat in my dinner I'm quite sure I would have puked. The next morning I felt very sick and barfed a little.
 
i dont think it goes bad like that. as in... i dont think that old 4AcoDMT is going to make you feel sick(er), jsut that it turns inactive. also, like i said, ive tested the material before with no problems, and nausea is never too much of a problem with me, especially mushrooms (which i have most exp with)

so, Old 4-AcO-DMT. more side effects prone?
 
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Something similar happened to me, although I still tripped pretty hard. The whole time i felt pretty sick, a few months before it was good. I think 4-ACO just goes bad quickly, my powder still looked/smelled good. It was still snow white, but with a 23 mg dose I was feeling like I was going to barf. All I had eaten for dinner was a fruit salad, had there been any meat in my dinner I'm quite sure I would have puked. The next morning I felt very sick and barfed a little.
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THat's not how it works. It made you sick because it WASN'T old, aka it actually worked. 4-AcO-DMT produces a profound mental nausea, but once you really analyze it whilst tripping you realize it isn't there.
 
Spewing for me is a good sign that it's working... I dont feel sick on it at all......

The freebase form is very unstable and degrades quickly at room temperature. I don't know if that will make you sick but I doubt it, I'm presuming it will just lose it's potency. The hcl salt I have not seen but it's higher molecular mass makes it less potent than the freebase form. I prefer the fumaric acid form which is even less potent than the hcl, but is much more stable and will not degrade at room temperature.

Apparently the ratio of hydrochloride to fumarate is approximately .93:1, and personally I can't imagine the freebase having much difference in mass compared to the less potent but higher mass fumarate that potency would out weigh sustainability, plus the furmarate is cheaper too.........Make sense? I dunno either..need sleep
 
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All I can say is dont knock it till you've tried it..
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For harm reduction's sake, don't try it until you've worked your way up slowly. 30mg furmate gets me thinking, "oh crap! I've really done it this time!" Kinda like your first ever hit of DMT. I get effects like you describe with 1/4 the dose. Maybe I'm sensitive, more likely, you're a hard head. I wouldn't advise anybody take that much 4-aco-dmt.
 
I remember when I experienced this compound I took 80mg of the fumarate orally, it was my first and only dose and I found it utterly overwhelming for a time. It was overwhelmingly profound and almost toxic in the sense that my mind/body was immersed and overwhelmed by such an intensity of the chemical as well as by the extremes of observation and perception I brought to bear on myself. I was under the microscope and so was everything else. I appreciate the benefit this chemical can bring, it is a tool for learning. I am sure dosing 8-30mg orally is within the sensible range for this compound, for me the depth of 80mg was a little extreme.

I wonder if intranasally is a better way to take a large dose or is it just weaker? Although all chemicals cause differing effects in different people.

My psilacetin is a couple of years old and possibly more like psilocin now. I look forward to revisiting my stash of this compound.
 
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