The Big & Dandy 3-MeO-PCP Thread - Mad Manic Meo 3nity

[Solipsis]

I had a pretty high dissociative tolerance to begin with and doses like 3 mg didn't really register as a trip for me, I didn't feel high and I could usually sleep just fine (though a few mg more and I would be restless and dazed) so in that sense I never felt that mania or psychosis were near, not at all.

Depression or anhedonia, well kinda - you could say that my dosage was still not low enough to be therapeutic and some depression/anhedonia while not severe may have canceled out any beneficial effect. It's hard to say anyway since I had a really shitty couple of.. well years.

Nothing is good for everyday use? Well it's usually a tradeoff but for say methylphenidate or pregabalin, everyday use is not such a weird thing and many people think it's worth it. Is everything that is not marketed and regulated as medication by definition bad for you? I don't know, it could have been quite good. Wouldn't have surprised me if it were like ketamine AD + a DRI, but cognitive effects may have bothered DRI benefit and for ketamine-like AD it may require much lower microdosage / 3-MeO is too potent.

The message is: it's not quite as good as it seemed, in a sneaky way I'd prefer others wouldn't have to discover themselves.

 

[Help?!?!]

I had a pretty high dissociative tolerance to begin with and doses like 3 mg didn't really register as a trip for me, so in that sense I never felt that mania or psychosis were near, not at all.

Depression or anhedonia, well kinda - you could say that my dosage was still not low enough to be therapeutic and some depression/anhedonia while not severe may have canceled out any beneficial effect. It's hard to say anyway since I had a really shitty couple of.. well years.

Nothing is good for everyday use? Well it's usually a tradeoff but for say methylphenidate or pregabalin, everyday use is not such a weird thing. Is everything that is not marketed and regulated as medication by definition bad for you? I don't know, it could have been quite good.
The message is: it's not quite as good as it seemed, in a sneaky way I'd prefer others wouldn't have to discover themselves.

Feel similarly and had a very similar experience as you!

 

[xammy]

I had a pretty high dissociative tolerance to begin with and doses like 3 mg didn't really register as a trip for me, I didn't feel high and I could usually sleep just fine (though a few mg more and I would be restless and dazed) so in that sense I never felt that mania or psychosis were near, not at all.

Depression or anhedonia, well kinda - you could say that my dosage was still not low enough to be therapeutic and some depression/anhedonia while not severe may have canceled out any beneficial effect. It's hard to say anyway since I had a really shitty couple of.. well years.

Nothing is good for everyday use? Well it's usually a tradeoff but for say methylphenidate or pregabalin, everyday use is not such a weird thing and many people think it's worth it. Is everything that is not marketed and regulated as medication by definition bad for you? I don't know, it could have been quite good. Wouldn't have surprised me if it were like ketamine AD + a DRI, but cognitive effects may have bothered DRI benefit and for ketamine-like AD it may require much lower microdosage / 3-MeO is too potent.

The message is: it's not quite as good as it seemed, in a sneaky way I'd prefer others wouldn't have to discover themselves.

Sure if you have a medical condition that requires medication. Medicating yourself with research chemicals can be quite problematic though. If you feel depressed, maybe there's a more benign way to deal with it than dosing 3-MeO-PCP daily. Maybe there is a way to fix the cause, not the symptoms. When it comes to bipolar disorder, asperger syndrome or something, I have no idea. I don't believe in big pharma, SSRIs etc at all though.

I've read some studies that high doses of omega-3 fish oils help people with schizophrenia and similar disorders, that's interesting when it comes to mental health.

 

[Solipsis]

Feel similarly and had a very similar experience as you!

Interesting to hear! Did you also feel atrophied?

Sure if you have a medical condition that requires medication. Medicating yourself with research chemicals can be quite problematic though. If you feel depressed, maybe there's a more benign way to deal with it than dosing 3-MeO-PCP daily. Maybe there is a way to fix the cause, not the symptoms. When it comes to bipolar disorder, asperger syndrome or something, I have no idea. I don't believe in big pharma, SSRIs etc at all though.

I've read some studies that high doses of omega-3 fish oils help people with schizophrenia and similar disorders, that's interesting when it comes to mental health.

I don't have clinical depression and never really had it, when I was taking 3-MeO like that it was just a rough time, if I could have fixed it an easier way I would have.. but I was merely surviving.

If one has the 'luxury' and time / opportunity to use more benign ways, whatever they are, I would certainly always go for that and never self-medicate. But sometimes people self-medicate seeing limited other options.

I've also resorted to opiates at one point, something I don't wish on anyone. I was trying to survive then too... Everyone has a breaking point, I believe. Not trying to justify what I did, but that is apparently what happened to me. I'm much better now.

Never read anything convincing about omega-3, actually most of the advice for the masses to supplement it was based on very poor science, junk science even. For particular diseases I don't know, perhaps if people are lacking certain fatty acids to properly make up their phospholipid layers / cell walls etc it would help - then it's basically a deficiency.

I don't try to remedy my state anymore experimentally with supplements or nootropics etc, very few things were worth the hassle. Not that it wasn't interesting..

Today it was concluded that I have ADD on top of PDD-NOS , we'll see what the guidance / treatment in this new place will be - I have a fresh new home of my own, now if I can get over all the shit I've been through and get motivated again, I'll be a happy bastard. It couldn't hurt to try ADD medication, although for my mood I am much less willing to go on monoamine reuptake inhibitors of any kind - for my case also things that will probably be suggested by my new shrink - such as an NDRI or whatever. I mean, a DRI like MPH will be okay but that is quite different from medications that need to reach blood levels over time and change balance / brain chemistry, e.g. SSRI's etc. I don't trust them and don't want to go on them.

Anyway I will soon get some 3-MeO-PCP again to use recreationally.

 

[MSK]

Yeah the thing is, you're not even near the baseline. It takes days to come down after that kind of use.

Well, when you have spent nearly everyday of almost 3-4 years of your life high on dissociatives, comedowns feel like baseline ;P By the way, as I commented, I only feel like that when I'm used to the substance and doing it pretty often. A pothead can smoke 20 spliffs a day and feel fresh the day after, while a new user will feel weird for some days after. Without tolerance, I need a day or two to fully recover. With high tolerance, I can take it at night and perform as fresh as always at work next day. With high tolerance, though, the high is really subtle, I really miss the magic of first trials. I've got 3-MeO-PCP, 2-OxO-PCE and 2-OxO-PCM on my stash for beeing high everyday of the 2-3 incoming years, but this seems to be the one I chose everytime I want to get disociated this last month. At first I thought 2-OxO-PCE would became my new favourite, but oh boy, I'm loving 3-MeO-PCP so much...

 

[Akbar Rabbitowitz]

Astounding recollection of the effects 3-meo-pcp produces!

The wide array of energies given off do blend well with Kundalini excercises. A shortcut one might say, into higher chakras.

It really feels like a waterfall of emerging energy, contained only by the focus and zen state of ones own mind!

I concur completely. After using it for a while its therapeutic and consciousness enhancing qualities really shine.

The best part is, you can control the direction of your experience. If you are thinking and engaged, you will get a real appreciation for the power of this substance.

Using it in combination with other things might work out well, but can have unpredictable or adverse side effects, as others have noted.

I enjoyed a very productive, creative, and transcendent 15mg 3-meO excursion today.

This stuff is outstanding if your mind is equipped to handle it.

Not recommended for the weak-willed or psychologically unstable.

 

[Help?!?!]

Interesting to hear! Did you also feel atrophied?.

Yeah. Possibly not to your extent(at least from your description) because I often spend a lot of time trying to ponder things/that sort of thing when under the influence of most things, but I too, was in a terrible place, and considering I had a ridiculous amount of 3-MeO-PCP I decided to tune out for the most part. It defintely effected me though. It was useful for what I was doing but also just a bunch of nonsense really. It got me through it though. In the end I wouldn't really call it...practical though. At the time though, like others in this thread, I thought it was excellent.

 

[send]

After about 10 days since my initial experience with this one, I decided to ride light and dose 5mg earlier today. I really think this is the right dose for me, it adds a great halo to my thoughts, makes conversation very fluid, etc. Unlike MXE, which I'd start binging on once the sun set, 3-meo-pcp almost seems like something to take early in the day at a lighter dose so you can enjoy the benefits all day. At a small dose like this you really don't need to worry about anything bad (ie accidentally holing, which sometimes happened with MXE as it could be quite unpredictable).

Anyway, I know I'm adding nothing new to the convo here, just feeling chatty!

 

[MSK]

Yesterday decided to go nuts and did a goodbye-for-a-month party to dissos starting with 30mg oral 3-MeO-PCP at the morning, followed by 50mg snorted 2-OxO-PCM at +2 hours since the high of the 3meo was really subtle because of tolerance, and another snorted goodbye to 2-OxO-PCE of 30mg at +4h. The high was subtle all the time, and I didn't felt any bad synerge between the three or a bad comedown the day after after knocking me out to sleep with a 2ml GBL + 3mg alprazolam combo. That's interesting Now, I need to do a full month break. Next month I've got some final exams so I need to start to worry about performing at job and studying after work and weekends. That is going to be boring, but awesome for my health, mind and tolerance :D I have got ephenidine to try back when I stop the disso break. And also I couldn't enjoy my first trial with 2-OxO-PCM because high tolerance when I tried, so I'll be able to report back with some fresh notes about this one as well. And probably I'm buying 2-Fl-Ketamine too :D I'll forget about snorting those one as well. That only lead to binges, fucking up my tolerance and changed healthy habits to compulsive redosing behaviour this month, and the high is shittier than oral. Let see you guys in 30-60 days!

 

[Crashing]

I feel like I might have come back to near-baseline sometime in the recent past, about 3 weeks after binging on 1 gram over the course of a month.

I can definitely say, the ever present wave of reality is clearest at this point, and seems to be getting clearer by the day. It's very plainly obvious that ebb periods of lofty euphoric continuation must be followed by flow tides of drear and (dis)integration. .noitargetni)sid(-.

That's why leaving the dishes in the kitchen sink becomes a chore and a bore. Allowing dishes to pile up means moments collapsing upon themselves rising again into half balanced orange halves dissolving again yet leaving the rind to bore through once more.. Less dishes between washings... ommmmmmm...

 

[pharmakos]

MSK -- 2 oxo PCM and 2 FL ketamine will have the same oral dosing issues as regular ketamine, due to having just the methyl as opposed to something longer on the nitrogen. Your stomach will convert them to the NOR- versions before they reach your brain. This is surpassable with larger doses but yeah. If snorting is bad for you maybe pick some different ones.

 

[Solipsis]

So do people plug K & analogues? Otherwise what's left... I switched to IM and while you can very well get a ROA fetish from it like the same compulsion to snort or smoke as an activity, it didn't seem to me like my addiction was harder than it already was with insufflation. But it's hard to discount all factors. I strictly never IVed because I don't want to be looking for a 'rush', and IM comes on quickly and efficiently but not really rushy.
It is certainly much cleaner feeling to IM and more potent / economical / therefore less damaging since you aren't wasting or metabolizing as much.. but the price of equipment like filters, and the absolute necessitity to work sanitary are hurdles that you can't avoid. But I could never recommend it, would feel weird - it did work for me for a time.

I don't know how you don't have cognitive problems with your study MSK Do you ever combat it with nootropics?

My 3-MeO-PCP came in and I'm dipping in ^_^

 

[MSK]

Interesting, I had the feeling that 2-oxo-PCM needed to be pushed up on the dosage, I'll try 50mg oral after my tolerance break. I'll stick to oral from now as well. I'm also amazed I'm not having cognitive issues with my heavy usages but I seem to be performing nice. Probably if I never tried dissos I would be a supersmart boy by now, I'll never know, but I'm able to be a really good web developer at work, and my work is one that you need to have the mind working at full capacity No neototropics use by the way, only daily cannabis, beer and gbl or alprazolam for sleep daily use since years.

 

[Bluuberry]

I think I finally had a schizo episode after using this non stop daily for a couple months. The past couple days have been hell, out of control paranoia and anxiety, delusional thoughts and reading way too deeply into things that are likely totally insignificant. Does that sound right? Can I safely chalk up this nightmare to getting too high? People are kind of vague about what happens when you take too much of this stuff so I'd like some specifics. Have others experienced connecting non existent dots with too much disso use? If anyone with experience cares enough to PM then please gimme a holler. I could use some reassurance that "they" aren't all coming to get me. The only problem is they might actually be. I just hope they make it quick when they find me, thinking about it so much is worse than anything anyone could do. Yikes.

Today I was convinced a tweaker was following me. Or maybe it was a fed dressed as a tweaker. I saw them at least 10 times on my 45 minute walk zigzagging through town, he kept walking the same streets as me and looking behind to watch me. Once they were standing in the alley as I crossed and I looked straight through their sunglasses (not a sunny day), glaring at them and showing them that I know they are following me.. I don't know what to think. I know he was real and not a shadow person.. I did a circle and decided if I saw him I would call him out for following me, but I didnt see him after I made that decision. We have tweakers here, its an epidemic, but maybe they were just feds dressing up and watching me? Seems like an unlikely waste of resources for someone with nothing to hide but who the fuck knows, fuckers have all the money and time in the world. All they would have seen is me dragging furniture down the street.

 

[LucidSDreamr]

I think I finally had a schizo episode after using this non stop daily for a couple months. The past couple days have been hell, out of control paranoia and anxiety, delusional thoughts and reading way too deeply into things that are likely totally insignificant. Does that sound right? Can I safely chalk up this nightmare to getting too high? People are kind of vague about what happens when you take too much of this stuff so I'd like some specifics. Have others experienced connecting non existent dots with too much disso use? If anyone with experience cares enough to PM then please gimme a holler. I could use some reassurance that "they" aren't all coming to get me. The only problem is they might actually be. I just hope they make it quick when they find me, thinking about it so much is worse than anything anyone could do. Yikes.

Today I was convinced a tweaker was following me. Or maybe it was a fed dressed as a tweaker. I saw them at least 10 times on my 45 minute walk zigzagging through town, he kept walking the same streets as me and looking behind to watch me. Once they were standing in the alley as I crossed and I looked straight through their sunglasses (not a sunny day), glaring at them and showing them that I know they are following me.. I don't know what to think. I know he was real and not a shadow person.. I did a circle and decided if I saw him I would call him out for following me, but I didnt see him after I made that decision. We have tweakers here, its an epidemic, but maybe they were just feds dressing up and watching me? Seems like an unlikely waste of resources for someone with nothing to hide but who the fuck knows, fuckers have all the money and time in the world. All they would have seen is me dragging furniture down the street.

the feds have much bigger fish to fry than someone getting personally high on a legal RC. unless you're moving kilos or something I wouldn't worry too much

 

[Bluuberry]

I know that is so true, I'm not that naive. I just can't get over the feeling that someone is coming to get me. I'm not doing anything wrong but I can't shake it. Has anyone had this happen from using 3-meo? Obviously I'm going to take a break, it'll probably take me a while to get back to baseline. If anyone can provide support please PM me, I'm losing it. Thought I couldn't be fucked with but I suppose this is me having my ass handed to me.

edit: I know this is kinda more a post for TDS or something so I made a thread there. If my ramblings are bumming people out they can be deleted, I just thought it might be good to at least give a warning that was more tangible. People said weird things happened if you overdid this one, but they didn't really say what, so I was just trying to give a better picture of the possible downsides to something that is also so magical and therapeutic.. I was singing it's praises just days ago, all of a sudden, uncomfortable feelings of needing to piss still after I'm done, and this delusional insanity crippling me. It turned 180 reaaaal quick with no warning.

 

[xammy]

Bluuberry: How much have you used? What kind of doses?

 

[Bluuberry]

I don't know, my scale sucks and I prefer nasal, and I often lose track of how often I've been redosing. I would guess between 30-50 mg, sometimes maybe less or maybe more, every single day for at least 2 months I think, my time reference has gone out the window. I didn't record the initial weight of the bag I got, stupidly, and it's so clumpy I don't want to dump it out and weigh it. I'd guess that I've gone through maybe a gram with daily use, but this is after a near constant MXE use for 2 years, taking occasional breaks for a few weeks at a time. Plus my etiz use is up to something like 10mg probably. I'm fucking losing it. I'm going to do my best to not dip into any disso's for at least a week or two so I can see what baseline feels like. I'm dealing with a lot of mental health problems and dissos were the most helpful crutch, so I feel lost right now. I don't have many friends in real life because I'm a hermit so I'm having a hard time getting support.

edit: I usually haven't gotten out of bed til I've had 2 or 3 bumps and a cup of coffee. Takes me like 3 hours to get moving in the morning and then I'm moving at lightspeed. Just to give you an idea of where I was at. The past couple days, instead of going to euphoric superhuman mode, I just turned into a paranoid loon curled up into a ball shaking and waiting for everything to implode. Wtf. (Sorry for multiple edits mods, I think it shows up or something? If so my bad)

 

[treezy z]

I'm in the psych ward cuz I was high on this shit and I pinned my brother in law against the wall and poured a fifth in his face, they allow phones twice a day so better than jail, I should not use Dissociatives, i'll probably be out in a week or two though so fuck it

 

[vortech]

Bluuberry, it is definitely the 3meo talking. I experienced the same paranoia the last couple days of a 3 week binge. first it started out as 'pronoia which is a pretty awesome state of mind. I thought God and agents of God were all trying to help me. I felt like I was being followed but only because the agents wanted to make sure I was on the right path. Then it got dark after 11/13/15 and the Paris shootings, the collective consciousness was saturated in fear. It rubbed off on me, and I was convinced ISIS was targeting me and using satellites to irradiate me. That's when I took a much needed break. Also you mentioned nasal administration, I think that is more prone to that kind of craziness than oral administration which feels more grounded and therapeutic.