Hi all.
I should be getting a small sample of this through a friend soon, according to him, it’s very pure/potent and in the form of HCI salt.
I have read through every single post in the big and dandys regarding this drug but still feel like I have quite a few unanswered questions on my mind so I hope some of you will be able to answer at least some of them.
Well, here goes:
1: Would you think that this is a drug suited for my purpose?
I’m looking for something that will give me some relief from depression. As my depression comes in waves/periods lasting hours to weeks but rarely months, the drug needs to work rather fast (compared to SSRIs) and also it should be fit for on/off usage. In addiction to these effects, some stimulation, increased motivation and anxiolytic effects would be much welcome.
2: What would you say is the largest therapeutic dosage? At what point does the effects start to make you less functional in contrast to being sober?
From what I have read, it seems like small doses (say 2-3 mg) could work fine as an antidepressive/stimulant but at some point it starts to gets too intense if your goal is to make yourself more capable of stuff instead of just tripping out.
3: At low doses, how well does this drug work as a functional stimulant? Compared to say, dextroamphetamine.
4: How long is the afterglow? I know this would depend on dosage and individual metabolism but some guidelines would be nice as I use at least one drug almost everyday, most of the time in the therapeutic dosage range in an endless effort to diminish my symptoms of psychological “disease” and I have found that some drugs will provide me with an afterglow the day following ingestion that will leave me in a state of mind there I’ll be able to go a whole day without taking anything else. Phenibut and Ketamine comes to mind, the latter in recreational doses though.
Basically what I’m asking is, if I take 2-3 mg, would I be likely to ride the afterglow the day after or is bigger doses needed for that? Will larger doses produce a positive afterglow lasting longer than one day?
5: How often can I use this compound without developing tolerance? I’m thinking once a week with 2-4 mg doses, once every two weeks with 6-8 mg – and so on.
6: I’ve read the horror stories of the mania associated with this drug and I know this has been asked before but I still feel uncertain. What would be the absolute maximum dosage that YOU would be able to take without going manic?
7: What are the early warning signs of mania? I will be increasing my dosage very (very!) slowly with this one, starting at 500 ug, going to 2 mg and upping 2 mg at a time at the most so I will be able to figure out my personal limits on the way but what should I be looking out for?
8: Are there any known interactions with other drugs that I should be aware of? I know this stuff will linger in my system for a long time and will definitely take that into account when doing other drugs.
The drugs that I use most often are Cannabis, Etizolam, Zolpidem, Phenibut, Dextroamphetamine and psychedelics/empathogens/dissociatives here and there. Also opiates/opioids a few times a year.
9: How dehydrating is this compound? Should I drink more water and consume electrolytes with it or is this over kill?
10: How does this affect your GI system? I’m very prone to constipation and taking just 20 mg of Oxycodone is enough to cause me trouble the day after unless I take some stool softener and some kind of stimulant the day after. So, does this stuff cause constipation or does it actually increase bowel activity?
11: There has been some talk of this stuff being neurotoxic. Should I make some steps in order to prevent this? Like, taking antioxidants? (I use MSM and NAC daily but also has some ALA that I use when neurotoxic drugs are consumed)
12: ALA (Alpha-Lipoic-Acid) is a potent antioxidant, capable of working in lipid environments (not sure I worded that correctely but you get the drift). Is it likely that taking this could prolong the peak of 3-meo-PCP as it might force some of the PCP that are stored in fat to be released? Might this also trigger a shorter, yet stronger, afterglow when taken in the morning the day following ingestion of the PCP analogue?
It’s a lot of questions, I know but I hope some of you have the spare time on hand to answer at least some of them. Thanks in advance to anyone taking the time!
I will add my own experience to this thread once I feel like I have something worth adding.
I have quite a bit of experience with this chemical. I've been on a binge with it lately, everyday for maybe 2-3 weeks. I cant say for dosages as I have a tolerance and just use a bumper, but I'd say I've been doing 10-20mg over the course of a day. Maybe up to 35mg on weekends. Today I snorted maybe 8mg 2 hours before getting off of work. Another 4mg or so on my way out the door, and another 6mg or so since getting home 2 hours ago. Let me try to answer your questions to the best of my ability/
1. I suffer from on and off depression and I take 150mg of Bupropion daily for it. I find 3-MeO-PCP to have significant antidepressant effects. I find a dose of 6-8mg to be suitable for treatment of my depression, as well as giving me a good amount of focus and motivation. That's the manic edge that this chemical has to it. I find it really pleasant and it gets me into my work and chores. Sometimes I'll get feeling of grandeur which I also love, like I was meant to be washing these dishes exactly how I'm washing them and I'm pretty awesome for it. Shit like that. So I find it an effective antidepressant, and it gives me good energy and focus. Sometimes it eases my anxiety, sometimes it increases it. Real hit or miss for me in that regard. I find it a lot more functional for day by day purposes than MXE. I have no experience with Ketamine so I cannot draw any comparisons there.
2. In my experience, I reach my desired level at around 6mg for doing my day by day activities. I can function on 8mg or so just fine but anything over that and I risk being a little 'weird' or out of it. Even at doses of 10mg+ I am able to talk to people and what not without them noticing or at least saying anything about it, but in my noggin I am definitely not sober.
3. I'm a recovering (meth)amphetamine and pyrovalerone addict with about 8 months off of stims completely. I find 3-MeO-PCP the perfect substitute as a functional stimulant for me. It gets me focused and into my work without making me feel like I'm in danger of relapsing. Since I can't use amphetamines or other stimulants I have fell in love with this chemical for this purpose. In very broad terms I feel like this chemical is a combination of effects of a low dose of MXE and dextroamphetamine
4. I'm not sure about the after glow of 2-3mg as I never bothered to keep it that low. I find that doses of 6mg and up usually leave me with a bit of an afterglow for the next day. Sometimes 2 but not much longer than that. As I previously mentioned, I am in the middle of a few week binge and haven't felt any negative effects in terms of effecting my mood or anything. I just find myself craving at the end of the day and have a hard time resisting when its there. I've done the same with MXE and DXM as well. I find that after prolonged use MXE and DXM end up worsening my mood when I'm sober. This hasn't affected it whatsoever
5. I find that my tolerance starts to build after using it 2-3 days in a row at 8mg+, but after 1 day off my tolerance diminishes significantly
6. Anything over 10mg you will risk becoming manic. I find the mania starts getting intense at 15mg+
7.If you increase your dosages carefully like that, you will be able to notice the mania developing. I'm not really sure how to describe any warning signs to be honest.
8. I smoke weed daily. I love mixing the two, but of course expect a significant increase in intensity. With the GABAergics I would be careful with redosing. When I consume etizolam I cannot make grown up decisions, so I cant be of much help there. I used to combine Meth and 3-Meo-PCP all of the time and it was amazing. It will increase the mania, but yeah, I loved mixing it with amphetamines. I have combined it with quite a few psychedelics (4-HO-MIPT, 2ce, 2cb, LSD, etc.), all have combined beautifully. I've also taken 9mg on the comedown of 200mg of MDMA at the same time as a 30mg dose of 5-MAPB. I also consumed 25mg of 2CB and 8mg of 2CE around the same time. I didn't experience any complications and I had an absolutely amazing times. Life changing and possibly life saving. The experience helped me gain some closure on an experience that gave me PTSD, and I haven't had any symptoms since.
9. I little dehydrating but not too much. A lot less so than DXM and MXE for me, but still be sure to stay hydrated. I just find this chemical to be less taxing overall than those 2
10. I haven't noticed any effect on my bowel movements. I get constipated easily with opioids and I was constipated when I was using amphetamines.
11. I take multivitamins daily and I haven't noticed any negative effects so far. I'm interested if anybody can shine light on the neurotoxicity of this chemical as well
12. I have no idea on that one
the first night I did it I probably did like a little over twenty milligrams. that was very intense and psychedelic when I smoked pot and tried to lay down to sleep.
