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The Big & Dandy 3-MeO-PCP Thread - Mad Manic Meo 3nity

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It's been like 18 hrs. since my largest dose and my muscles are still tense from the vasoconstriction.
 
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I gradually took bigger spaces of 4-5 + and upwards between my low ~3 mg supplemental 3-MeO doses, but recently went back to a few days in a row because of the pressure of circumstances. Stopped again now. I really want to avoid being on it too much, since the bioaccumulation threat worries me as well as warnings that there is a nasty withdrawal syndrome if you take it too much chronically.

My doses, esp with my tolerance are probably low enough.. and I still have not really felt like I was on a dissociative trip at any point per se, but I dislike the psycho thoughts upon comedown of main effects. I ruminate on my current problems when I try to fall asleep, now it can spiral a bit out of control and causes depressed / almost suicidal thought and panic before I fall asleep a little later. It's pretty nice what it helped me with so far and what I was able to get away with but I would hate to push it further.

I think what it helps with is that it envigors and the mild dissociation makes you leave part of yourself at the door, but locking it away can occasionally feel like you hurt a very conscious and sensitive part of yourself. And coming out of it, you hope to reintegrate these parts of yourself you dissociate from, and it can hurt.

It's seductive since it helps me to be super functional when I feel like I need to be on occasion. But it is unwise to keep stacking up the anxieties that are dissociated and ignored temporarily. Taking some days this week to attain a little baseline and hope that it doesn't take too long for the chronic haze to lift.
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Well said, it seems like most dissociative users tend to pretend there is no w/d or negative effects. There's definitely some re-adjusting back to normal life when it wears off and lower mood when used chronically through I'm assuming down-regulation or up-regulation of NMDA receptors? I still don't know understand how NMDA works, but I believe every high has some sort of low.

The bio-accumulation is real! it can lead to some really unpredictable effects.

I was slaughtered when i took ~15 mg on the 5th day of doing it every day. Couldn't hold it together my motor function was horrible. If you want to stay functional keep to those low doses :P

and to red22- I don't think it causes vasoconstriction, i doubt you would be able to feel it either. You sure you have the right substance?
 
Last time I exercized on a hometrainer I was slightly worried and anticipated some release of the drug after bio-accumulation from the fat-burning. I don't think it was any more intense than feeling as if I dosed about 4-5 mg that day (which does dissociate me generally - uniformly? - but does not produce a trip with actual content. I do have strong chronic / permanent dissociative tolerance).

It seems to me that the risks and unpredictibility of any spike depends on cumulative time and dosage-regimen factors (if not fat percentage and how big the variance is in your gaining and losing weight). It probably helps to keep your total amount taken within a week at a level no higher than what you can handle at once... but even such a guessed guideline likely offers no guarantee!!

I've gotten away with it enough if nothing escalates beyond this point, and I would/will count my lucky stars. I've read about a few others with experience with low dose supplementation but to be honest most people here seem to take fully active doses or mix it up a bit. For people who do that taking this substance chronically or attempting supplementation is even less wise or recommendable than it is to begin with. It's playing with fire.

About concommittent use of drugs/medication and supplements:
I take pregabalin daily which enhances the effects of dissociatives. It is not a GABAergic though it may have very indirect effects on GABA/glutamate balance. I also regularly but not structurally take benzo's. This, hopefully, like my relatively low doses and absence of fully active doses adds to some limitation to damage and possible withdrawal.
I also take multivitamins and extra added vit B. There is CoQ10 that I have pure that I may again make preparations of in cocos fat, though I cannot fully rationalize why it may help at this point.
What I plan to take to aid recovery is NAC and I am seriously considering racetams or noopept though I wonder whether that is only effective for reversing cognitive or cerebellar disruptive effects?

What you may call vasoconstriction may also be strained muscles since less-anaesthetic dissociatives like these tend to boost physical performance while numbing.. so it is relatively easy to overexert yourself. Be careful!
What I just mentioned already happens at relatively low doses, any vasoconstriction seems more of an issue for recreational full doses rather than low supplemental ones, right?
 
That's a good plan to keep an X amount/week. After taking ~20 mg per day for 5 days then doing 15 mg, there was probably already a baseline ~10-15 mg in my system that I wasn't noticing. So the 15 mg dose was probably closer to ~25mg. I just must of have tolerance to some of the desired effects and then thinking more would be a good idea contributed to adding more onto the negative built up effects if that makes sense...

Overexertion should really be recognized like you said. I fucked myself up pretty bad from doing workouts last year on an long term MXE binge. I didn't even realize it til I stopped and all my muscles continually were hurting, and my joints aching like mad. It felt like all my muscles got put out of place, still recovering from it and its almost been a year.
 
Something weird happened to me. I IMed 3-MeO-PCP in both of my arms, but only one of my arms has developed circular, dark brusises in each injection spot. And the pain is not bad. The spots only hurt slightly when pressed, and "hurt" is an overstatement; just feels like the soreness one gets in their muscles after working out.
 
Try snorting it, then imagine what that does in your arm. You're fine unless you missed but chemicals are pretty caustic and IM's are known to cause soreness at the site of injection
 
I don't recall real issues when IMing 3-MeO-PCP. Plenty of chemicals are caustic and 5 mg is not that much... What made me most sore was DMT and 5-MeO-DMT that I salted with citric acid. Thought I had the stoichiometric right but it still burned pretty hard.
Bruises are like mild haemorrhages right? Not sure what happened to you, but perhaps it had to do with something else than the chemical itself? Did you massage well?
 
That'll happen with IM. IME it depends how well the shots done. If it's a good hit there won't be much bruising, but when done incorrectly(pushing the needle in too hard, choosing a bad area, using a site that was used recently), you'll get bruising. Personally that doesn't bother me, how the actual penetration point looks does. Soreness is common, as similarly to working out, you've torn the muscle tissue. Defintely keep an eye on it though!
 
Have only tried twice so far, but agree about 3-meo-pcp really helping bring out the best in other dissociatives. 30mg of MXE after about an hour after 10mg of 3-meo-pcp was lovely. Brought me somewhere with MXE that I haven't been to for a while. Much potential.
 
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Have only tried twice so far, but agree about 3-meo-pcp really helping bring out the best in other dissociatives. 30mg of MXE after about an hour after 10mg of 3-meo-pcp was lovely. Brought me somewhere with MXE that I haven't been to for a while. Much potential.
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Whoa, this would have sent me into absolute psychotic mania. I'm always impressed by the dosages other people tolerate and use ...

But combinations of dissociatives indeed can make good experiences and bring out more than dosing higher on just one substance. MXE is (was :() a really good candidate for that - MXE + K / DXM etc ...
 
I am presently experiencing an unprecedented synergistic combination of tianeptine and 3-meo-pcp, the serotonergic feels are like nothing I've ever achieved before. So blissfully euphoric and warm, flowing in righteous waves of peace. I think we may have stumbled upon a very promising combo!
 
Really? I hated tianeptine because I found it to be too short lived.
 
It was on the tail end of a 3meo dose too, I think I found the perfect comedown combo! Unfortunately I don't know the dose of tianeptine, a put some water in what looked like an empty container of it, but I guess it was gelled up on the sides of the container, it tasted super bitter so I may have taken a big dose. Could have been anywhere between 10-100mg. Further research is required that is for sure! Has some legs too, still got a warmth an hour after it peaked.
 
You have/had an opiate issue, right vortech? I seem to recall that. If so, be really careful with tianeptine, because it hits the mu opiate receptor. My friend started using it daily and got addicted for a while and she said it was the worst withdrawals she's ever experienced, antidepressant and opiate withdrawal at the same time. I got some a while back to try it, and I liked it a lot, and when I realized I had done it 3 days in a row I gave the rest away. Unfortunately I gave it to that friend who got addicted to it, which I felt bad about.
 
Has anyone found that their tolerance to 3-MeO-PCP specifically doesn't really decrease while their tolerance to other dissociatives seems to after taking a tolerance break?

At this point I have to take around 100mg of 3-MeO-PCP to get a really good trip. It's kind of annoying, though it does have some benefits. Makes doing a bit before going out about my daily life way easier, since i can just eyeball out a 40mg-50mg line.
 
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