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Dissociatives The Big & Dandy 3-MeO-PCP Thread: 3-MeO 4 Leaf Clover

I prefer nasal also. Oral is more dissociating/intoxicating for me, while nasal is quicker and has more of the stimulating edge to it. I actually find oral stronger by dose, but I desire those effects less. Easier to titrate and a more convenient duration. It does make me sneeze a lot of the time. It probably isn't good for the nose which is a concern of mine since I dose tiny amounts 3 or more times a day when I use it.
 
Yeah nasal can hit instantly but there are some funky effects with your nasal passages. Lots of sneezing and mucous production and eventually blood. Not recommended.
 
I've never had blood despite lots of snorting over a fairly long period of time, but I am sure it's bad for your nasal passages. Definitely doesn't feel benign.
 
I got a couple nosebleeds on this doing 20-30 mg a day for about three months daily. Suspected 3-meo played a role cause my nose was starting to feel irritated as well. 3-meo seems to leave a bit of residue in the nasal passages for me several hours after insufflating. Started irrigating my nasal passages with saline about an hour after my dose and it helped a lot, but not completely; nose feels a bit stuffy and irritated after a while regardless but no nosebleeds. I've slowed down my use to almost nothing last couple months and nose isn't 100% yet. Still feels dry and reduced airflow. Purity of product is probably a big factor as well. I suspect mine isn't top grade product. Moderation and nasal is probably fine.
 
No trying to use it therapeutically is not safe. When I tried that - daily microdosing or lowdosing - I figured that I could tell it didn't disconnect / derealize etc me that seriously and held that as a sort of safety margin to stop it immediately if it were to get dubious. That never happened, but I also did not get the kind of benefit from it that I was hoping / expecting / looking for either. The benefit you do seem to get is IME relatively temporary especiallly compared to the long half life and not like ketamine AD potential.
When I stopped, it was clear that I had been more mentally absent / removed though mood-stabilized (or rather without much mood) than I realized at the time, typical. So I guess that is part of what the margin was for, but still serves as a warning.
My dosage was under 5 mg a day, 20-30 mg seems like way too high and I don't think you'd be able to justify that as "therapeutic", nor am I saying you made that claim, LB.

I took it sublingually.
 
I find my mood is heightened with 3-MeO even during multi-day runs. It amplifies all my moods and thought processes. When I keep it to the correct duration, I notice I am mostly feeling really great things, euphoria, confidence, inspiration. Like when I play music, I get so worked up with inspiration that I have to calm myself down afterwards and it can be difficult to talk to people, but damn if it's not the greatest feeling ever, and the ideas just flow so effortlessly.

When I go too long, I start to get easily irritated and upset and the confidence remains so I can get pretty confrontational which is unlike me. I have never noticed a flat effect though, personally. Quite the opposite, which can be a good or a bad thing.
 
Con-CAT-enations

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3 CAT post
January 28, 2017

[NOTE: tried to post this to Bluelight.org thread but even after logging in it takes me to page that says I am newb “greenlighter” yet I find no reason I cannot post. Maybe should drop it?]

So far I have been finding 3 Meow or CAT or even now the PCP term "angel dust" has resonance , for it seems to take me to a deep long wave flowing where I feel like my angelic high spirit side can navigate through the waveforms of Mater ("Matter".

I mix it with water 100 mg with 100 ml water so it is easy to measure out 5, 10, 15 mg CAT.

I get somewhat paranoid on acid: while it is revealing to me that I AM the one dreaming my existence, the constant "tipping over" into new frames of time, moment on moment as my mind rushes through a hall of mirrors fractal tube Me layering upon me up me upon me... it is exhausting, but sure cleans out the psychic plumbing.

When I use MDMA as a grounding, it removes the fear and I can enjoy the Rush of Gnosis of Self-simularity packing down Light into Matter like endless Russian nested dolls, an endless zip file compacted by Phi waves recursing back into infinity.

So my practice over the last few years is MDMA plus whatever, trying to just go to the edge of the envelope so I can come back and remember where I went. It's like digging progressively in a mine: I want to get out all the recalcitrant hidden imps of the Shadow self and reclaim them in Love; to take the sad child back into my heart to increase COUR-AGE and Wholeness.

When this last year I found the CAT (a pun I will develop below!) I loved it absolutely for the disso and relief it gave me from the "problem" of "me." It help cut through the Gordian Knot tangle of all the bullshit in me I want to expose, but am naturally ambivalent about becoming the helpless Fool of my own imagination!

I have been developing an alchemical model of these different Soma medz which can be overlaid on the chakras:

MDMA is the Heart, the Center, the Safe place, the Middle Original Lotus wherein the androgyne of pre-pubescent polarity sleeps in Mother's Love. Love is the Balance between, the Scales of Libra in the Heart.

I see the chakras “below” and “above as mirror images of each other, emanating out of the Heart Lotus in pairs: navel/throat, genital/pineal, root crown. Interesting that the genital pineal is clearly reflected in Mantak Chia’s Taoist model too. So I think I ‘m onto something.

In the same mirroring fashion, the I AM at Repose in the Heart has emanated out higher and higher spectrum of frequency wave forms in the upper chakras [“North half”], and they are mirrored in the lower spectrum of the “South half” chakras, which pertain to ther body and personal world of sex, territory, and little self.

You may have seen images of the Hindu model of creation: the Churning of the Milky Ocean, where a Buddha man in state of repose sits in his Balance Chair, while there is a tug of war going on: to one side a line of Asuras [“bad” guys in polarity] are pulling the rope against their counterparts emanating out on his other side, the Devas [“good” guys]

In Reality Cosmos is a perfected balance of forces in Vector Equilibrium, but as the balance tips from side to side, we, the I AM or Viewer in us, begins to “fall” and start “tripping.”

Here’s how these med mixes has affected me:

One day I did low dose acid “Light Streaming Down” so I equate it to North Half frequency observation, plus some MDMA. I rose higher and higher and right out of any of the fractal spin from “Dove” [another name applied to this high freq energy coming “down” like the Holy Ghost] [p.s. I now see a pun in being called a hippy freak! = freq]

Suddenly I went into perfect balance, or Repose as IT told me IT was. This was Samadhi, and it fulfilled a desire to know what that was. It’s not a negation of cosmos into emptiness, but a perfect balance of all forces. A stillness. I felt I could gently tip to either side and fall into “tripping,” a stumbling conCATenation of endless causality.

Eventually I could see how this would be boring to the “Godhead” and so began the Great Scroll that keeps on unrolling!

Next day I was out of MDMA and mixed about 20 mikes Dove with 10 ml CAT. Nothing seemed to happen in the first two hours. So I doubled down on both. Now I had been experimenting with CAT before 10-15 mls, and loved the ride. As one post says, it makes me very articulate and loquacious, with Logoic Word spilling out in puns nested inside puns. Words seem to decode themselves down to root gestures, and the World is the Word made visible, a pleasing Joke hidden in plain sight.

But now, in this mix of OPPOSITES [ for I am provisionally cat-egorizing CAT as low end of the spectrum waves in Mother Substance, a pleasing roll out of Light made Flesh] when that double dose kicked in at about 4 hours to my great surprise, I sudden found myself riding two Great Entwined Serpents up and up.

This seemed to me to be the fundamental nature of Cosmos, which I realized is depicted in the Caduceus, and is discovered to be our fundamental energetic form as in the ida-pingala currents, the Tree that the Chakras grow on as fruit.

If you know the Electric Universe model (www.thunderbolts.info which is my guiding paradigm these days) you’ll see that all of Cosmos is an interconnected mycelial web of electrical flow. When electrical currents flow through space they tend to braid together in what are called Birkeland Currents, and they pinch together and form “plasmoids” in the Cross-over pinch; just like chakras on the crossover current’s of Ida-pingala. So this is the root model of how matter manifests in this basic Trinity.

Likewise consciousness is a flow of knowingness that touches the “other.” Mind, which organizes consciousness into Self vs. Other, is dual or polar, the result of these opposite entwined Flows. The Self is the plasmoid that forms like a bead on a chain, just as stars do.

So.... background lecture having been established.. ! When I rode these two currents “up” I saw they were the basic alchemical model of the Two-Thing, or Rebis. God in Polarity. While these “serpents” were polar opposites and thus in competition with each other, snarling for supremacy, Light into Matter, Matter back into Light, it was a Flaming Revelation of the Rawness at Root. I suspect that was also some form of a classic kundalini initiation wherein one has to confront non-judgmentally how the Force works.

Frankly I saw it as an endless Chain of Being, a food chain in which those above are authorized to feed and then fuck those below, Predator and Prey. Each of us stands in such a chain. As long as the Flow moves through the Circuit brings Life to each. This Chain (Aurea Catena in Rosicrucian speak) gave punning depth to Con-CAT-enation which I see in the TreeMeow!

But this was raw. Scary. We are each one the bitch to someone who is bigger and stronger. We find out niche.
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What was missing was the MDMA, the X or Cross-Over force that would marry these two. The Gnostics have a story that after the “first” creation which is pure instinctual forces working it out, the 4 EL-ements as represents in the Tetragrammaton YHVH; G*D the Good took a look at how it all was going, and made a “second” creation; “HE” sent in the Christos as mediator, to bring the Right Hand path together with the Left Hand path. I like that story. That there has been an “intervention” as the System Self-corrects. If you like Xtian Kabbala, it is said that if you insert the Hebrew letter Shin, which is a triple flame letter, into YHVH, you get YHSVH, or Yehosua, Joshua, Jesus, the anticipated “messiah” or balancing Vector to the Two-Thing in its perpetual Wheel of Love-Hate, Attraction-Repulsion, the Binding force which Hindus call the Skambha, Egyptians the Djed.

All right enough of my “revelations.” I have the idea that the “true” SOMA is a mix that blends a high frequency soma with a low frequency soma, PLUS the addition of a Heart pivot soma such as MDMA. Perhaps the poppy served as that in older Mystery mixes. Thus one would amplify the Full Spectrum of Consciousness. This was my next test.
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SOMA? High Freq + Low Freq + Heart Blender

Once ounce low dose Dove (approx. 20 mikes) + 15 ml CAT + 125 ml X.

This took me into a playful deep meaning world of decoding the fractal Mind.
I began “lensing” into everything I saw, I guess this is the “hole” {never did K]. It was fascinating that I could telescope time back layer into layer, but would it end? Would there be a resolution? Or just a loop I might get caught in?

As fate would have it, I just got in the mail that day a book, the Heart of the Master by Aleister Crowley. Lately I have been hearing expositions (Michael Tsarion) on how he was misunderstood and categorized by the Dark Side he sought to penetrate and unravel, as being the horrible Evil one himself. Being an egotistical wit, he took on their pejorative name calling, much like we old hippies adopted the insult of “freak.”

Whatever may the full and unknown story, I was drawn into the book, and came away feeling Crowley was honest and authentic in following his inner Star... BUT something made me hold the book at arms length. At the end I felt sad to him, that he had dove into the Belly of the Beast to pull out Its guts and reveal the rot. This may have made him a sacrifice on the pyre, or he may have been swallowed up by it. But he was certainly authentic. Nonetheless a Dark Force came around me an gave me creepy B movie horror dreams of sad sack freaks (think Pizzagate) who chained young women up in their basement. This inverted pervert was trying to recruit some of us into his sex dungeon cult. I awoke with the feeling I should not have been in “lensing” mode when looking into Crowley and all the psychic effluvia that has coiled up around his ghost.
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Next day I strongly cleansed my house with sage and sandlewood, and called up all positive forces for protection. I was worried I would be open to evil in the astral and have dark dreams. But as it turned out my protection worked, and dreams were reassuring.

My take now in review is that the CAT and other mix opened my third eye very strongly, thus giving me a “lens” effect which allowed penetrating into layers of the Akash memory, but being naively open and not taking protection, I dove also into some Evil which had attached itself succubus like to the Crowley to turn his work into a honey pot soul trap. I will be much more conscious in the future about entering the astral levels.

I’m OK now. I see it again as a challenge to take a hard look at the Darkness that has grown up like a cancer in our world. I hope positive forces are working through Trump to counter this, and that his Leo ego nature won’t trap him; he will certainly be surrounded by backstabbers and liars seeking to derail and counterfeit with Fake News any attempts to gut the Beast. http://phibetaiota.net/2016/11/robe...stem-is-still-rigged-and-likely-to-remain-so/

Hope you enjoyed the tale!
 
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Crowley got into negative agenda shit, ntheogen. On the surface he's fascinating but he ended up doing a lot of harm.
 
The dose-response curve of this stuff is really steep. I took 3mg a while back as a test dose, and barely felt anything; maybe a vague sense that something was off. Took 5mg earlier today; there wasn't much dissociation, but I felt a remarkably strong mood lift and confidence boost, bordering on hypomania. I'm not sure I like it, as it seems a bit too unfocused and "muddy" for regular use, but I certainly see the appeal. Had a lot of fun trying some new recipes to cook for the week's meals.
 
That also sounds a little like what some nootropics can do, doesn't it?

I have a lot of irritability / impatience / low frustration threshold issues lately by the way.

On the other hand, yesterday I took 3-MeO-PCP and then dropped 2C-B and among other activities watched a movie about losing a close loved one and it was really touching to me and I got into this whole thing of feeling like those kinds of unreal things (movies, dreams etc) prepare us for the day that we will have to let go of e.g. parents ourselves, like I had to let go of my niece who passed away at 3. I felt really sorry for the fear and grief that little girl had to go through before her life ended so very prematurely. It got pretty real, I am thankful for those kinds of touching experiences because it feels healthy as part of life and it is normally very hard for me to deal with difficult emotions, likely since I have ASD.

On the comeup it was a bit stimulating which I don't think is all too good for me since I take prescribed dexamph and sometimes have things like burst bloodvessels in finger or eye, so I took a sub-mg dose of etizolam to take care of the extremes.
Not sure how I'm going to try other stimulating psychedelics but ok.
 
Same.
So, combined with ALD-52 - i wasn't sure how it was going to work out.
The synergy, however, was absolutely breathtaking.
It's hard to explain how well the two combined - but the analogy that comes immediately to mind is that the 3-meo-pcp was like a solid canvas that the ALD-52 visuals were painted upon.

It felt as if as the 3-meo-pcp was some kind of foundation that made the trip just shine.

Took ~5mg of 3-meo orally about 2 hours into the trip, and it went from slightly lacklustre to totally sublime as soon as it kicked in.
Also, the disso smoothed all the physicsl edginess off the acid. As i've said before though, the 3-meo-pcp i have is the tripp
The cocktail was way better than the actual peak - the visuals took off and my mind and body settled and i felt relaxed.

I have some crazy round 1930s art deco light fittings in my bedroom. They remind me of flying saucers, and are made of mottled, pink frosted glass.
When the 3-meo-pcp effects came on, the light fittings appeared to be rotating, warping and sort of floating - as if they were made of pink smoke.

Prior to that, the visuals were fairly subtle - some mild distortions and patterns, a few flashes and shimmery floating patterns that weren't particularly interesting.
Being my first experience with ALD-52 (which i bought ages ago) - i wanted to try it on its own.

I took the 3-meo-pcp after a good while with just the ALD-52 - and while it was very nice, i wasn't blown away by the 250 ug of ALD-52.

When the 3-meo-pcp came on, however, i vaped one bowl of cannabis.
This synergised with the others - and i was very, very impressed. Magnificent cocktail :)

I used to love mxe combined with tryptamines (namely 4-aco-dmt), but never tried combining 3-meo-pcp with anything (i've always treated this stuff with a lot of caution) but it seems like a heavenly match with lysergamides.
Will most definitely be experimenting with this combo in the future. Just beautiful.
 
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Been using this for toothache for a while now to the point I don't even know how much pain I have. I have a dentist appointment today, we'll see.
 
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The dose-response curve of this stuff is really steep. I took 3mg a while back as a test dose, and barely felt anything; maybe a vague sense that something was off. Took 5mg earlier today; there wasn't much dissociation, but I felt a remarkably strong mood lift and confidence boost, bordering on hypomania. I'm not sure I like it, as it seems a bit too unfocused and "muddy" for regular use, but I certainly see the appeal. Had a lot of fun trying some new recipes to cook for the week's meals.

Yeah many people find that the more they experiment with 3-MeO, the more they "get it" and love it.

So, combined with ALD-52 - i wasn't sure how it was going to work out.
The synergy, however, was absolutely breathtaking.
It's hard to explain how well the two combined - but the analogy that comes immediately to mind is that the 3-meo-pcp was like a solid canvas that the ALD-52 visuals were painted upon.

It felt as if as the 3-meo-pcp was some kind of foundation that made the trip just shine.

Took ~5mg of 3-meo orally about 2 hours into the trip, and it went from slightly lacklustre to totally sublime as soon as it kicked in.
Also, the disso smoothed all the physicsl edginess off the acid. As i've said before though, the 3-meo-pcp i have is the tripp
The cocktail was way better than the actual peak - the visuals took off and my mind and body settled and i felt relaxed.

I have some crazy round 1930s art deco light fittings in my bedroom. They remind me of flying saucers, and are made of mottled, pink frosted glass.
When the 3-meo-pcp effects came on, the light fittings appeared to be rotating, warping and sort of floating - as if they were made of pink smoke.

Prior to that, the visuals were fairly subtle - some mild distortions and patterns, a few flashes and shimmery floating patterns that weren't particularly interesting.
Being my first experience with ALD-52 (which i bought ages ago) - i wanted to try it on its own.

I took the 3-meo-pcp after a good while with just the ALD-52 - and while it was very nice, i wasn't blown away by the 250 ug of ALD-52.

When the 3-meo-pcp came on, however, i vaped one bowl of cannabis.
This synergised with the others - and i was very, very impressed. Magnificent cocktail :)

Isn't the combo incredible? It's hard toi explain, I agree. I feel like the 3-MeO provides this perfect space for LSD/ALD to reach its absolute full and most wide-reaching effect. Like it just suffuses everything completely. I can get a satisfying trip off a third of s 125ug blotter when I add 3-MeO. I have to be careful actually, a whole 125 wth 3-MeO is too intense for a lot of settings where 125ug of LAD by itself would be fine,
 
^ excellent! I'm so glad you guys mentioned this!
I would have been reluctant to experiment with the combo if i hadn't heard that - but you're absolutely right. It made the experience so much easier to navigate. Which is great, because i have a sadly small stash of ALD-52.
Really forward to mushroom season though! I got out of the habit of tripping after a series of life events led to a really difficult LSD trip exactly 2 years ago.

Feeling happy and positive again now though, so it's been fun to dip into my stash :)

3-meo-pcp makes it so much better though - as soon as it came on, the trip just went from "good" to "great". It's like they're made for each other - but having said that, i'm talking about the non-stimulating "type" of this stuff.
I can't speak for the mania-inducing stuff a lot of people talk about.
 
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Mania is something that is impossible to realize without prior experience of it and noticing it. That's what makes this one of the most dangerous substances imo.

I wouldn't say there is a "non-stimulating type" 3-MeO-PCP. It is stimulating, just like every hallucinogen is. But I know what you mean.

I'm glad you had a great experience :)

I sent some emails to neuropsychiatrists last week. I got the answer today. I'm one step closer to finding out about the Finnish research of arylcyclohexylamines. They are studying at least ketamine and nitrous oxide, I am waiting for an answer to my question if they already study methoxetamine and 3-MeO-PCP. There are at least three different universities doing research. If I understood correctly, one is focusing on the anesthesia of electroconvulsive therapy, one is focusing on the ketamine infusions on clinical level for depression and one is studying ketamine as a part of other studies, I am not sure of these particular studies yet.
 
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3meo is the perfect fuel for lysergamides indeed. For years I wasn't taking acid because it was lackluster and wasn't worth it anymore, but that changed past year when I discovered how a low dose of 3meo could make me enjoy tripping again.

Long life to the treemeow! I wish I could use this stuff daily ala caffeine, but I'm afraid my mind would be burned in less than a year.

For tryptamines I prefer 2-oxo-pce though.
 
I was loving the 3-meo-pcp + tryptamine combo for a while.

Finally got to try a 'new' batch, very distinct from the original one doing rounds years and years ago. All I can say is definitely isn't as strong, stimulating or manic. Whether that's a good thing or not I can't really say, mostly just wondering what the hell is causing this difference.

Also newer batch is much harsher on the nose, causes bleeding and sneezing whereas my original batch was smooth as butter.
 
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