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Dissociatives The Big & Dandy 3-MeO-PCP Thread: 3-MeO 4 Leaf Clover

I think it's somewhat already out there, all psychotic breaks etc. Still trying to find more negatives :D
 
Someone wrote a report of their friend accidentally ingesting 125mg at once, the person who wrote it was a nurse or doctor or something and said their friend was definitely mostly catatonic or anxious and had very little recollection of the experience, but that the vital signs didn't get alarming at any time. It's on Erowid somewhere.
 
swilow said:
Have there been deaths? I recall a death from MXE pretty early on in Sweden I think.
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This was IV MXE+MDAI and probably something else if I recall correct, yeah it was in Sweden.

Swilow, don't wait too hard, going to probably take a while to do my master's thesis. :D We'll see what will happen.
 
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Xorkoth said:
To everyone taking a lot of this and developing tolerance... I've been using this pretty frequently, sometimes almost every day for weeks, for I think about 1.5 years now, and I use 2mg bumps every 2 hours, maxing out at 5 or 6 a day. It produces the lovely mania eventually but I never get intoxicated and if I take a day or 2 off after 5 days I don't get crazy either. Best of all, I have experienced no build in tolerance in that whole time, I still take the same doses. I'm just gonna recommend again that people try this method out. If you've already fucked your tolerance maybe it won't work (although keep in mind I am not trying to get dissociated but instead reap the "medicinal" benefits), but if not, maybe you, too, can avoid that fate.
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That is good news. I think I did nearly a g in just over 3 weeks! I was in the middle of 2 projects when it arrived and I was pumping out the best videos & websites I have ever made. I wrote my first poem since I was a kid. I was in a state of flow for basically the whole 3 weeks. Then my body gave me one hell of a kick. I felt like my blood pressure rocketed or dropped (not sure which), at the same time had a mad delusion and all of a sudden started seeing the numbers 11:11 and other synchronicities at the same time. I have never really believed the numbers mean anything before, maybe my subconscious was reaching out, a higher being I honestly don't know but I am talking every single time I looked at the clock (which isn't that frequently). This has continued to this day and I am no longer taking it.

I would never usually be so reckless (well, at least I usually research more). But I was in such an intense state of euphoria and flow I just kept going. Very very silly. Luckily I learned my lesson. Please please please anyone wanting to try this, read the forum first. Listen to the experienced users and do not abuse it. The therapeutic effects far outweigh any potential high you can get from it. I am taking mad creativity, incredible euphoria, increased sociability, kindness, the need to help people, to change the world (at least for me).

I am just really hoping this binge hasn't ruined the therapeutic effects I can get in the future. I am trying to weigh up how long my break should be, I was going to do a month but now tempted by 2 or even 6 months. I really want to start learning an instrument (I was inspired to do so) and wanted to have a day or 2 with this stuff early on while I was learning. Any advice here on how long my break should be?

FYI I used to have quite a lot of MXE, maybe 10gs over a fair while so I think this could have hit my tolerance. I also used to have a lot of ketamine back in the day but have been fairly dry for about 1 year. I think my doses on this stuff were around 5-14mg every hour as I now have a scale and that is what it is telling me. Is it actually possible to eyeball 2mg? I don't think it is. The scale I got was not too expensive and I am not sure on its accuracy. Seems to start picking up weight around 8mg...

Sorry for the long post.
 
I used 3 grams last year and started on my 4th recently. I'm using 10-15mg doses usually twice a day, before and after work. It gets me to a flow state with much more natural feeling access to energy than any stimulant could ever provide. The anti depressant effects and hypomania are still very present. At times I will take much more if I want to get wavy, maybe twice a week.
 
Vediog said:
I used 3 grams last year and started on my 4th recently. I'm using 10-15mg doses usually twice a day, before and after work. It gets me to a flow state with much more natural feeling access to energy than any stimulant could ever provide. The anti depressant effects and hypomania are still very present. At times I will take much more if I want to get wavy, maybe twice a week.
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Nice. Do you take orally?

How would you say the effects differ from when you started?

Have you noticed a tolerance build up?

Do you ever take breaks?

Has anyone started a document of quantitive research here? If not I might start to look into creating one. Get all the facts in one place...
 
rockalick1 said:
I really want to start learning an instrument (I was inspired to do so) and wanted to have a day or 2 with this stuff early on while I was learning.
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Playing music is my favorite drug. I sometimes use 3-MeO to enhance that, but honestly if you're inspired just focus on that, take 6 months off, play, practice, just get into it. It's really cool to find people to play with too, it makes it even better. You should definitely take a long tolerance break. The numbers thing is honestly the gateway sign to a period of psychosis, honestly. I've seen it play out so many times on here and even in real life. Read back through the 3-MeO Big and Dandies, you can see when someone has gone a bit off the rails and that's one of the signs. Not just with 3-MeO but with any drugs that can cause psychosis.
 
Xorkoth said:
Playing music is my favorite drug. I sometimes use 3-MeO to enhance that, but honestly, if you're inspired just focus on that, take 6 months off, play, practice, just get into it. It's really cool to find people to play with too, it makes it even better. You should definitely take a long tolerance break. The numbers thing is honestly the gateway sign to a period of psychosis, honestly. I've seen it play out so many times on here and even in real life. Read back through the 3-MeO Big and Dandies, you can see when someone has gone a bit off the rails and that's one of the signs. Not just with 3-MeO but with any drugs that can cause psychosis.
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Ahh man, you are right. You are both right. I will get back to meditation, exercise, creating and get the instrument. Wishing you all the best and I will visit here from time to time to drop some knowledge/help.

Please anyone reading this do not start administering before reading these threads. I lived and learned. Luckily without any lessons too difficult. Thank you for the help!
 
rockalick1 said:
Nice. Do you take orally?

How would you say the effects differ from when you started?

Have you noticed a tolerance build up?

Do you ever take breaks?

Has anyone started a document of quantitive research here? If not I might start to look into creating one. Get all the facts in one place...
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Yes I usually go with oral. Nasal tears up my nose, decent amount of blood, & it also makes me sneeze a bunch at first.

I don't have so much trouble anymore firming words on the peak lol. Other than that I'd say the main difference is just thst I'm more accustomed to the effects and can compensate better when dissociated.

Yes some tolerance, I used to be able to to use less than 10mg to get decent effects.

I've dine breaks before, because of caution earned from these B&D threads but I think I've found a good therapeutic balance and the benefits far outweigh any good a break could do for me.
 
I use a 3mg per ML liquid solution (cherry vodka) & an oral syringe to measure doses. I haven't noticed any loss in potency after having it for 3 months.
 
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Right.
Just because something is widely available, sure as hell don't make it safe.

I must admit i cringe a little bit whenever people talk about a PCP analogue being "therepeutic" in daily use.
Not directed at anyone, it just sounds very risky to me.
 
Yeah, we are just starting to understand the therapeutic potential of ketamine so let's not get ahead of ourselves, these studies will take time.

In the meantime, anyone reading this should treat this chemical with extreme caution. It's one of the strongest drugs available.
 
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Yes, definitely treat it with caution. It's easy to use it too much, or use too much in a session, because it feels pretty benign generally and you feel less altered than you actually are. I've never gone off the rails with it but I take a cautious approach with my dosage levels, I specifically try to avoid becoming dissociated. Despite that, I still have had a few times, several days or even a week into daily use at those low doses, where I started to get a little unhinged and had to cut it out. Also, besides weed it's the only drug I ever feel like taking daily for periods of time. It's because it's so subtle and functional the way I use it. Even so, I will find myself taking it on days when I wasn't going to, because it's pretty easy to do, and pleasant. So a strict approach must be taken. if you're prone to going on benders and pushing dosages, I can't recommend venturing into 3-MeO-PCP territory because the potential for full-blown mania and/or psychosis is just all too real.

I do find it to be a tool of surpassing usefulness for a variety of things, and I think there is good therapeutic potential in it too. But it's really easy to be cavalier about it, and that's a mistake.

rockalick1 said:
Thank you for the help!
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No problem. :)
 
Yeah its easy to slip up and push it too far. I'm in a comfortable flow state right now and fixing things that I've been putting off. Getting my life in order as much as possible.
 
^ I prefer nasal administration because I feel it's easier to control it. It has more powerful effect because it comes up faster and stronger and doesn't last as long. Taking it orally I often notice that I am more altered than I realize.
 
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