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☛ Official ☚ The Big & Dandy 2C-T-2 Thread

I'll be getting 2C-T-2 for the first time soon...
Has anyone tried taking a single Benadryl (diphenhydramine) beforehand to address bodyload issues?
This has been recommended previously with 2C-E, and it seemed to help me in that case.
 
^ If it helped with 2C-E it'd probably help with 2C-T-2, but obviously if you find the bodyload with 2C-E less intense in the first place it might not be enough to quell it completely. Definitely worth a shot though :)
 
I say NO to the Benadryl. It did help to a small degree with nausea IME, but it also seemed to cause dysphoria and alter my trips. I no longer pre-dose with Dramamine or Benadryl.
 
A light dose of 12 mg 2c-t-2 was ingested with a small amount of food in stomach. Began feeling it within 30 minutes and a modest +++ was achieved within 90 minutes. Shulgin said it was an "excellent tool for introspection" but I didn't pursue that. I get a lot of anxiety now days and my first concern was that being amplified by the drug, but it didn't happen. Anxiety took a hike and the trip was enjoyable. I tried music, enjoyable. Porn, everything worked as it should. Video games, fun. Food was delicious, no appetite suppression. I felt no nausea or other GI activities. I felt no body discomfort.

A pleasant experience. I could do 15 or 20 mg next time.
 
Yeah, I did 18mg last Saturday night and had quite a nice evening. Come up was not bad at all, never got too intense, I didn't track it, but I would guess maybe 1 to 1.5 hours (last food about 6 hours prior). Smoked a little dank & had maybe 3 beers. The trip was more body & vision than headfuck. I was totally able to do some good ritual work and stay on task. Sound was enhanced, colors vibrant, etc. Little confusion. Dosed around 10 pm & (tried to) crash about 5 a.m., and actually managed about 6 hours of restless snoozing (probably equivalent to 2 hours of totally sound sleep!). Felt fine in the morning.
 
What are peoples favourite activities on this one, how does it differ from other 2C-Xs in that respect? (e.g. for me 2C-B is music, art, quiet night in with friends, 2C-E is raves/concerts/parties and writing, 2C-P is for introspection and mind-journeys)

How's the body load rank compared to those 3?

Does it have a similar slightly slower to build than other psychedelics tolerance where you can usually dose it/other psychedelics within 24-48 hours without having to take more than like 1.25x the original dose? I'm wondering because it's one of the options for me and my friend's trip this weekend but I'm likely going to a concert later that night and wanted to trip, and don't want to take 2-3x+ more.

Finally, favourite genre of music on this stuff? :D

Thanks!
 
It's in with the LSD/Mescaline league for me man, top 5 material all the way.

My best trips are between those 3 drugs. 2C-T-2 is like 2C-B in body load and duration but in terms of psychedelia it's the next thing to LSD, with a huge, uplifting rush of euphoria at the peak. To me, this one's all about lying down at home introspecting, taking mind journeys.

Music? Folk :)
 
That sounds fantastic, I love both LSD's psychedelia *and* 2C-B's bodyload of course :D

How's it fare in a social environment then? Since I'd be tripping with my friend, rather than laying down at home taking those mind journeys.
 
It's fantastic in social environments too! It can be a very friendly, outgoing psychedelic if you want it to be, with barrels of laughs to be had. I've been out and about on it many times, you just need to be prepared for the intensity. Expect to be amazed at the depth this compound has, it is truly one of the best.

2C-T-2 always has that 'magic ingredient' feel to it from me, is if there is an extra dimension which some other psychedelics lack. It has been the compound which has elicited the greatest proportion of ++++ experiences in me.

Body-wise, the body load can be an enourmous body high if you are in the right mindset and you surrender to it. You really do feel it in your body, but for me it is like warm healing energy arising in my body and flowing along the meridians. Unlpleasant thoughts make you nauseaus, good vibes feel like you are being massaged by the great cosmic fountain of divine illumination.

About re-dosing, I've found that in the short term (in one sitting), the trip can become even more powerful than the starter dose. Whether this is due to MAOI action or simply that you are already dissolved in the psychedelic mindset in uncertain, but it's true.
 
Lol just watch out T-2 is certainly amazing but in my mind I had it pegged as more tame atleast a tiny bit so than say E but damn last time I plugged 14ish mgs of T-2 I was blown full tripping balls in 15 minutes past plugging, projectile vomiting. Turned out great besides that unintended puking spree in the beginning half though. T-2 is one of those great psyches for anything you already enjoy doing especially at lower handed levels. Finely tuned but perfect for nearly whatever your doing especially physical since the load can be a bit much at times...!
 
The scariest time of my life was on 2ct2. I wish I hadnt been such a reckless youth. My strongest trip with 2ct2 led to incredible insights about myself, overshadowed by the terror that followed after. Sadly much of my memory of that trip has been pathologically blocked from my mind. it causd me to shy away from being a "psychnaut". I attempted a trip report somewhere, god help you if you read that lol. latetly doing mushrooms im almost reminded of 2ct2. unfortuntatly i have never had the pleasure of deeply analyzing these amazing subtances fo various reason. 20to24 mg snorted was MUCH stronger for me than half that amount snorted. I have never orally ingested. I have never puked, though felt some minor nausea. I guess I had a strong body but weak mind. Unfortuntate, what could have streangthened my mind nearly destroyed it.
 
Jesusgreen said:
What are peoples favourite activities on this one, how does it differ from other 2C-Xs in that respect? (e.g. for me 2C-B is music, art, quiet night in with friends, 2C-E is raves/concerts/parties and writing, 2C-P is for introspection and mind-journeys)

How's the body load rank compared to those 3?

Finally, favourite genre of music on this stuff? :D

Thanks!
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2c-t-2 was my first 2-xx compound & I was thoroughly impressed, wrote a proper trip report & everything (which is really no like me, I'm too lazy). I'd read alot about this stuff before trying it & was a bit worried about the so-called "body-load". Now don't get me wrong, it's significant, but not unpleasant provided you keep active. So in answer to your question, I like to go walking in the forest or engage in some sort of outdoor activity. I find the feel of the come-up about equals that of 2c-e, which I have puked up on. I've not puked on 2c-t-2, yet. Anyway, we fasted for like 15 hours before dosing, walked thru the park & then spent a very amusing half hour in a CEX seeking games or DVD's or something. It felt usable in a social enviroment, but I dunno about tripping in social enviroments, so I probably wouldn't. Duration also appeared about the same as 2c-e, between 8 & 14 hours total. The t-2 does seem to linger sometimes & the downward slope can last quite some time. After getting home from CEX we carefully ate some toast. Then some more toast. Then scrambled egg. Then we ate loads of fresh fruit, strawberrys etc. We didn't stop fucking eating & I ended up calling the trip report "The Feeding Frenzy" lol

Despite the fact that I'm a DJ, produce my own stuff & play a few instruments, because I like to trip outdoors, we don't often find ourselves listening to music. I think as the weather turns here in the UK I may try 2c-t-2 in the studio, I love creating on shrooms so I'm sure this is worth a try.

For the sake of amusement, the only time we did listen to music on a psychedelic, was after coming back from the park on DOC when we listened to Planet Caravan by Black Sabbath over & over & over again for about 9 fucking hours straight! What a day/night/day that was! ;)
 
I took 8mg rectally this evening, administered over the course of 35-45 minutes. I am happily surprised by how strong this dose is. A few "centre of the universe" moments of inner light breaking through. The peak was quite profound for a dose this low. An ego dissolving experience for sure.

I'm always amazed by the way psychedelics enhance the ability to perceive things in music you hadn't really noticed before. Tonight I noticed a piano part in Happiness by Goldfrapp I hadn't consciously noted before. This is significant for me because I'm a mixing engineer, and the ability to perceive a soundstage with greater awareness and clarity is important for me. I was also listening with the left and right inputs switched round the wrong way on my mixing console. It makes me wonder how much else I miss in music. Besides being just totally awesome to hear music like that anyway which is the main thing!

Considering 2C-T-2 is strong in the 25mg range and upwards (orally) this was a strong trip for 8mg rectal. I think I'm just able to tap in to the headspace at much lower doses nowadays; I can pretty much switch in to a ++ at any time whilst "sober" anyway, so the 2C-T-2 just gave that little extra push to breakthrough. I don't trip anywhere near as often as I used to, but when I do, it's like a huge pressure valve has suddenly been released. The feeling is incredible.
 
2ct2 is wonderful material, I had some way back in 2009 and enjoyed it very much

It's warm and fuzzy, slightly confusing, and produces quite the boquet of rainbow halos and distortion for me... Much nicer and friendlier than 2c-e. The typical "paradoxical" stimulating/sedating phenethylamine body load is there but it's not unpleasant. (This was at anywhere from 10 to 25mg oral). To draw an analogy 2ct2 is more like mescaline (from what Ive been told) and 2ce is more like LSD.

It also lasts a bit shorter than 2ce, if memory serves.
 
sekio said:
It's warm and fuzzy, slightly confusing, and produces quite the boquet of rainbow halos and distortion for me... Much nicer and friendlier than 2c-e. The typical "paradoxical" stimulating/sedating phenethylamine body load is there but it's not unpleasant. (This was at anywhere from 10 to 25mg oral). To draw an analogy 2ct2 is more like mescaline (from what Ive been told) and 2ce is more like LSD.

It also lasts a bit shorter than 2ce, if memory serves.
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Totally parallels my experience, except 2C-E being like LSD; found it much more unforgiving, more like mushrooms. Timing's right, I found 2C-T-2 to be about 5-6 hours and 2C-E to be about 8-10.

2C-T-2 is probably the most similar thing to mescaline I've ever had. With my limited experience with mescaline and the form I've had it in (extract of unknown, but low-ish dosage), I'd have to say 2C-T-2 has given me better experiences than mescaline. On psychedelic-equivalency I found ~20-22mg to be near 150-200ug of LSD. But LSD produces different effects of course; much more sharp and 'piercingly' euphoric.

2C-T-2 is all about that warm, calm empathogenisis, where the body is pleasantly stimulated and relaxed simultaneously, and the mind is in a state of complete contentedness. If I could live my life in that state I would get absolutely nothing done, and be unable to procure food for sustenance, but, ya know, it'd be nice. :)

2C-E never did it for me, it just chewed me out, giving emetic gifts to the porcelain god, waiting for the damn stuff to metabolize, never breaking through the come-up hell.

When I learn how SAR's work, I want to have a good look at what that two-lone pair containing Sulphur atom actually does. The two compounds are night and day in their effects for me. I wonder what the Oxygen analogue is like, or going the other way, Selenium? Pretty sure it stops there though; Well, maybe I'll try some Polonium someday. :P
 
Actually I'm amazed at how similar they are to one another whilst at the same time easily being able to tell them apart. The way I differentiate them is that 2C-E is more cerebral, 2C-T-2 is more emotional. The sensorial experience is pretty damn similar though, with slight differences in colour hue/saturation (2C-E lighter, crisper visuals and less warm body feel; 2C-T-2 more saturated, gooey colour tones, with a fluffier and more luxurious body high).

Funny that everyone feels 2C-E is dark and unfriendly. My experiences with it are quite different to that. I have always found it to be euphoric and a very pleasant experience indeed, if a bit egomaniacal and driving at times. It doesn't have the ever-surprising cheekiness of 2C-T-2, nor does it have the lush depth of its sulphurous counterpart - it's a more straight-faced tone of trip for me. But I do like it...

...though I like 2C-T-2 better, because it brings me to flirting with the skirts of a spiritual ++++ almost every time (either that or a full blown ++++). It just unlocks endless depths of wonder, and is such a rich experience. This one always has been my all-around favourite psychedelic ever since I tried it, and I think it still is.

sekio said:
It's warm and fuzzy, slightly confusing, and produces quite the boquet of rainbow halos and distortion for me...
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Me too :D

sekio said:
It also lasts a bit shorter than 2ce, if memory serves.
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It does indeed, and that has been a factor in my desire to redose on a number of occasions. The thing with 2C-T-2 though is that the redoses seem to get stronger, and it changes the quality of the trip to something even deeper. With 2C-E, one dose is usually always enough - although I have redosed on it back in the past when my friends and I were doing daily binges.
 
Yuck, I hated 2C-T-2. The only psychedelic besides 5-MeO-DiPT that felt so shitty, I just gave up/said why bother. I gave T2 a good four tries at varying dosages too before I gave up.

2C-T-7 was the golden winner for me. T2 was mostly a feeling of sickness and some visual effects, but missing all of the warmth and emotional enhancement of 2C-T-7, the depth of 2C-E, or general sexyness of 2C-B.
 
Was bored and gave in and tried 2C-T-2 (25mg) last night. Surprisingly although it had been 5 days my tolerance was clearly very significant as 95% of the trip I never got past a +, and only had a short ++ on the peak. Fun substance though and definitely want to explore it again in future.

Visuals were nice but very light at this dose. Lots of wavyness and trails, a "ghosting" effect where if I looked at text I could see a second ghost version of it dripping off. I got a similar change in colour hues that I got on 3C-P. Come up was rough but afterwards it felt very soft and smooth, with the tactile sensations being nicer than even MDMA - though it lacked the euphoria to go with it. Think this would be a great psychedelic for sex or just cuddling and opening up emotionally.

Even at this low dose there was some introspection and I dealt with some ways I've been abusing my health lately, and I've put into action ways to change those things, starting this morning :)

Worth noting, if you have a weak stomach, and don't like the idea of vomiting on a trip, this probably isn't one for you. This is the first 2C I've experienced any noticeable nausea from out of 2C-B, 2C-E, 2C-P and 2C-T-2. I have a strong stomach though so I never came close to throwing up (only psychedelic I've thrown up on is aMT) - but if your stomach is weak, you probably would.

Interesting drug and I can see why it's in Shulgin's magical half dozen. Hope I get to try it again without tolerance in the near future.
 
These comparisons are interesting. I'm quite familiar with oral 2C-T-7 but I haven't had the opportunity to explore 2C-T-2 yet. I have 250 milligrams of the compound in cold storage though, and I would like to test it three or four times before this year is out. While I agree with MGS' assessment here and elsewhere regarding 2C-T-7 (like him, I consider this compound to be one of the greatest psychedelics, natural or synthetic), his opinion on 2C-T-2 seems atypical in relation to what other posters have said here lately (but by no means relative to all the information readily available). Can other members that have used both more than three times each via oral ROA please post a qualitative/experiential comparison of these two substances?
 
JG, 25mg should have had you tripping your face off, so there was definitely tolerance at play. I would give it a couple of weeks and try again - you haven't seen anything yet!

I agree with you about the body high being nicer than MDMA. But I disagree about it's predilection for causing nausea. It's just such a deep and expansive psychedelic, and that is the reason people tend to easily become nauseous on it. I've mentioned this before, but it's all about mind (and body) set. The transition to such a different head and body space can be disorienting and if you are caught off guard with defensive thoughts and feelings you will feel nauseous. Just chillax and allow positive loving thoughts and feelings to blossom inside, and I guarantee you will turn nausea in to a bodygasm.

I've gotten nauseous on all manner of psychedelics, and the mechanism is exactly the same in each and every case. I'm not denying the ability of exogenous 5-HT agonists to press the nausea button, but it can be transformed in to something much better when you recognize it. I've had body highs on 2C-T-2 that I can't even come close to describing. Like bathing in pure cosmic energy. Literally like a massage from the angels. I found 4-AcO-DMT more nauseating to be honest, and again the reaction was predominantly psychosomatic.

lamanogaucha said:
Can other members that have used both more than three times each via oral ROA please post a qualitative/experiential comparison of these two substances?
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I haven't, but a friend of mine has tried them both, with more experience with 2C-T-2. He said the visuals were insane, although he may have been comboing it with 5-MeO-MiPT (I'm not sure if he said it was out of his system or not). He was with his brother who was pissing in to a bottle, and he was saying how his dick was becoming one with the bottle and all that. Pretty funny!

I too would like to try the propyl analogue, although it's hard to imagine a more visual version of 2C-T-2.
 
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