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The Big & Dandy 2C-P Thread

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Delsyd said:
smoked 2c's are likely carcinogenic.
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do you have any technical reference, medical reference, or chemist's account (or are you yourself a chemist) to back this up? I have yet to find a single solid source, especially given the very small amounts of the 2c's one is likely to consume over any period of time. i ask when the topic comes up, and so far none of the BL chemists has chimed in one way or another.

i am very concerned about safety, but i'm also very concerned about the continual use of very serious terms like "poison" and "carcinogen" without at least some clear reference for these claims.
 
Delsyd said:
i think some people use the terms interchangeably
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they are completely different though, right?

smoking involves combustion and chemical reactions including oxidation.

vaporizing is simply boiling the material until it turns into gas, technically only a physical reaction (although heat may change the material to some extent, i'm sure).

i find that the tube i use to inhale the vapor with becomes coated with a fine layer of condensed material, which appears to the naked eye to be identical to the pre-vaporized material (as if it has just boiled and cooled back down).

even if burning produces poisons, i'm less clear about how vaporizing would.
 
Jamshyd said:
Lol, it's funny when I look back at my comments as time went by in this thread. First I found it fascinating, then iffy, then unwelcoming, and now I'd say I wouldn't touch the stuff with a 10-foot pole!
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Bah! This stuff is great. If you like 2c-e or 2c-d you'll probably like this stuff. I've done 2c-e about five times, enjoyed it, and after one trip on 2c-p i knew it was a keeper. obviously, dosing accurately is more important, but just be smart about things and its not a problem.
 
xoqqiy axlotao3al said:
as usual, whenever someone mentions doing this successfully, someone else immediately says it's impossible/poisonous etc. Why?

& that's also overlooking the fact that there was nothing in my report to indicate a problem. My comment was about vaping, which is quite different from smoking anyway. (just ask mary jane.)

search smoking + any 2c-* compound in the archives. You'll find multiple threads documenting how to do it correctly. (and then numerous comments saying it's impossible and unsubstantiated claims that it's poisonous.) So many that maybe it's time for me to collect them up... but I remain baffled by the lack of clarity on this issue.
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Why did you quote me? I never said it was impossible nor did I make the claim its poisonous. I could care less if you smoke your 2c-p. I only stated 2c's aren't very effective when smoked/vaped but since you obviously love blathering on about smoking chemicals that are fine by any other ROA.
 
ManRider said:
Bah! This stuff is great. If you like 2c-e or 2c-d you'll probably like this stuff. I've done 2c-e about five times, enjoyed it, and after one trip on 2c-p i knew it was a keeper. obviously, dosing accurately is more important, but just be smart about things and its not a problem.
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Hmm. I LOVE 2C-D, but have a hard time considering if I'd ever take 2C-E again. I found the two very different. Judging from this thread, 2C-P seems to be closer to 2C-E than it is to 2C-D. Certainly true at least objectively, judging by duration alone (a huge negative in my book - and in fact the only thing keeping me from already trying Mescaline and DOM). IMO, 3 hours ought to be enough for a trip. If LSD lasted that short, I would have taken it far more often :)
 
Jamshyd said:
Hmm. I LOVE 2C-D, but have a hard time considering if I'd ever take 2C-E again. I found the two very different. Judging from this thread, 2C-P seems to be closer to 2C-E than it is to 2C-D. Certainly true at least objectively, judging by duration alone (a huge negative in my book - and in fact the only thing keeping me from already trying Mescaline and DOM). IMO, 3 hours ought to be enough for a trip. If LSD lasted that short, I would have taken it far more often :)
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Wow! Although I can't speak for DOM, I'm surprised anyone would turn down mescaline because of the duration! I can understand a general preference for shorter experiences, but turning down mescaline altogether? 8o Perhaps your reasons are special. Would you mind expanding on this?
 
I've tried 2cp three times now. When I compare it's length to that of my DOC experience, 2cp feels much less interminable. I have yet to feel like I wish it would end or that my mind is being over-extended. I think this is because it did not feel physically taxing at 10mg and the arc of 2cp was fairly typical for a psychedelic drug in that there is a come-up, then a long plateau, then a fairly gradual come-down. DOC had a different arc for me: a come-up into intense psychedelia and stimulation, a long plateau followed by a diminishing of the psychedelic effects and another 6 hours or of residual stimulation which I found became quite unpleasant and felt physically taxing.

For this reason, as someone who loves long trips but dislikes stimulants in most cases, I would always choose 2cp over DOC.
 
Its interesting how different everyone is. The reason I love mescaline so much is partly the duration. For whatever reason i've always loved tripping for long periods of time. Don't get me wrong though I still love the shorter acting psychedelics too but theirs just a certain sexiness to a long duration.
 
iom said:
Wow! Although I can't speak for DOM, I'm surprised anyone would turn down mescaline because of the duration! I can understand a general preference for shorter experiences, but turning down mescaline altogether? 8o Perhaps your reasons are special. Would you mind expanding on this?
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I didn't turn it down :)

I'm holding on to my sample until the right time comes along.
 
in both of my posts I am talking about vaporizing, which is entirely different from smoking.
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When people speak of smoking pure compounds, they mean "vaporizing". Why would we expect the pyrolysis products of 2Cs to be significantly carcinogenic, particularly in comparison to burnt plants?

ebola
 
ebola? said:
When people speak of smoking pure compounds, they mean "vaporizing".
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i just don't agree. that's not what i mean when i speak of it, and i've spoken of it quite a few times on these boards.

apply flame directly, it burns.

apply heat indirectly, ie through glass or foil, it melts and boils and vaporizes. like just about anything else.

(also, the melting points of 2c-x's are well within temperatures reached by ordinary household flame. no funny business required. you can vaporize at home.)

when most 2c-x's burn they taste awful. when they boil the vapor tastes almost sweet, if it has a taste at all. anyone who has done both will know the difference i mean.

they are very clearly different processes. i have written about both here and have much experience with both.

ebola? said:
Why would we expect the pyrolysis products of 2Cs to be significantly carcinogenic, particularly in comparison to burnt plants?

ebola
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i don't understand why any of it is considered possibly carcinogenic or poisonous or anything else. I am waiting to be enlightened.
 
Hey I tried searching, but didnt find much, if its already been covered perhaps direct me towards any discussions....Has anybody tried to IM 2C-P? I was thinking about it because I don't want to smoke or snort any 2C's but want a faster come up for 2C-P..Any thoughts?
 
i haven't seen anything about IMing 2C-P in particular. however, i have heard of people IMing other 2C compounds (2C-E quite often in particular if memory serves well), and don't see any reason why 2C-P would have any unique peculiarities that would make IMing be a bad idea. as always though if you do proceed do it with caution. start low.
 
ebola? said:
What I meant is that no one who knows what they're doing will try to "smoke" (per your definition) pure compounds.

ebola
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Sure, but unfortunately many people with access to 2C-Xs and other [potent compounds have no or little idea what they're doing and when someone says they smoked it, they will try to roast it like marijuana. When you say vaporize, it's more accurate and it has a much greater chance of letting these people know that there's something different going on.
 
Bumping this up, got my hands on some of this and can find noone to discuss the experience with. Took 10mg and have to say this stuff was extremely intense, had stronger visuals than I've ever had, kept getting real ancient/egyptian themed visuals such as eyes, pyramids and elephants. Found the visual side of it much more intense than the likes of LSD and mushrooms although it carried a real heavy body load, at times my chest felt very heavy and I was also unable to move. Was at a place to dance and found it difficult and also got a sore head whilst tripping but this was cured by some pain killers and weed.

Overall, very intense visuals, long duration and heavy body load are the 3 main things I think to describe this. Not for the inexperienced as I had my ass handed to me on this stuff and anyone I've explained this to seems to think it is just like an intense LSD trip but really I found the visuals a lot more than that.
 
Stoked to try it now, especially after reading the visuals are even more than on lsd.
as far was being in a place to dance, i liek tripping with just one or a few people in a chill zone.

thanks for the info (:
 
lovechild89 said:
Stoked to try it now, especially after reading the visuals are even more than on lsd.
as far was being in a place to dance, i liek tripping with just one or a few people in a chill zone.

thanks for the info (:
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I advise you to ensure you are ready before trying, this is not for the inexperienced in my opinion.
 
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