The Big & Dandy 2C-I Thread

[SpiralOut]

Obviously it seems like a bunch of you have had a lot of success with liquid dosing, but I'm terrible at it or it just doesn't work for me.

My powder never mixes with the water well. It ends up stuck to the sides of the glass tumbler I'm drinking it out of so I end up drinking a lot more water than I want to to try and get it all. And I don't like drinking ANY alcohol period when I trip so putting it in some vodka or whatever doesn't work for me.

 

[carpaljets]

Have you tried heating the solution slightly and stirring gently, SpiralOut?

 

[effingcustie]

try dipping the glass container with the water and 2c-i into a little hot water and swirling it around gently.. with a little added heat it should dissolve in a little bit

 

[Zardokk]

Holy shit guys. Last night I tripped my BALLS off in a state of utter confusion and amazement on 2C-I. I had eyeballed my dose by splitting up my material into a number of relatively even piles on graph paper (terrible method, I know). I had estimated each pile to be around 16mg, but in retrospect, it's perfectly possible that I could've had anywhere up to around 22mg or so in my pile because I was eyeballing and because I purposefully put just a tiny bit more in my pile than in the others. I really need to get a milligram scale, and am making that top priority before further experiments with any compounds like this. Please don't insult me for not doing this before hand, I'm aware of the dangers of this decision now and am going to correct such behavior before continuing my experiments with psychedelics or RCs.

Anyway, most of this thread has say 2C-I is weak, gentle, empty, etc, and while I might agree that the experience does lack serious depth and meaning, at higher doses it is extremely intense and took me further than probably any other substance I've ever tripped on. I've done acid about 10 times in doses up to 4 good windowpane gels, I've done shrooms twice at about the 2 gram level, I've done DOC, Peruvian torch, low doses of 2C-E, and a handful of other psychedelics I can't fully recall right now. The sheer intensity of this 2C-I experience blew all of those out of the water. I got so far recessed into my head and so utterly overwhelmed and confused trying to process all the information that was coming into my brain. Visuals were nuts and everything was fascinating. I wish I could describe more, but it's just too much and too intense to try and word. It would take a whole lot of text, and this is already a thick wall.

Anyone else ever tripped super hard off 2C-I? The main effect was really just confusion and ego loss, but it was ungodly intense for a while. The laughter was absurd too. There was quite an uncomfortable amount of nervous energy and tension during much of the trip, though. Very stimulating. Also have quite a headache right now, and it's +15 hours after dosing. Hope this goes away soon. I haven't slept yet outside of an hour long nap or so, so I think I'll go do that. Sorry for the long ass post.

 

[Delta-9-THC]

2C-I gives me some of the strongest OEVs of any psych (other than DMT or salvia). It also has very little CEV activity for me.

I really wish there was a 2C that had the body high of 2c-c with the visuals of 2c-i. 2C-C has a very nice headspace and body high while 2c-I has very strong pixelation and warping.

I almost want to try a combo of the two but someone here told me their experience with it was unpleasant and retained 2C-I's uncomfortable stimulation. THis extra stimulation and headaches is what keeps 2c-I from being a class A psych.

 

[FrostSA]

Holy shit guys. Last night I tripped my BALLS off in a state of utter confusion and amazement on 2C-I. I had eyeballed my dose by splitting up my material into a number of relatively even piles on graph paper (terrible method, I know). I had estimated each pile to be around 16mg, but in retrospect, it's perfectly possible that I could've had anywhere up to around 22mg or so in my pile because I was eyeballing and because I purposefully put just a tiny bit more in my pile than in the others. I really need to get a milligram scale, and am making that top priority before further experiments with any compounds like this. Please don't insult me for not doing this before hand, I'm aware of the dangers of this decision now and am going to correct such behavior before continuing my experiments with psychedelics or RCs.

Anyway, most of this thread has say 2C-I is weak, gentle, empty, etc, and while I might agree that the experience does lack serious depth and meaning, at higher doses it is extremely intense and took me further than probably any other substance I've ever tripped on. I've done acid about 10 times in doses up to 4 good windowpane gels, I've done shrooms twice at about the 2 gram level, I've done DOC, Peruvian torch, low doses of 2C-E, and a handful of other psychedelics I can't fully recall right now. The sheer intensity of this 2C-I experience blew all of those out of the water. I got so far recessed into my head and so utterly overwhelmed and confused trying to process all the information that was coming into my brain. Visuals were nuts and everything was fascinating. I wish I could describe more, but it's just too much and too intense to try and word. It would take a whole lot of text, and this is already a thick wall.

Anyone else ever tripped super hard off 2C-I? The main effect was really just confusion and ego loss, but it was ungodly intense for a while. The laughter was absurd too. There was quite an uncomfortable amount of nervous energy and tension during much of the trip, though. Very stimulating. Also have quite a headache right now, and it's +15 hours after dosing. Hope this goes away soon. I haven't slept yet outside of an hour long nap or so, so I think I'll go do that. Sorry for the long ass post.

I wouldn't say super hard, but I definitely tripped a lot harder than I was expecting too given what I'd heard about 2c-i. It also seems to have been more of a once off as the same dose repeated didn't even come close. I remember lying down, and trying to close my eyes, but I couldn't. It felt like I had physically shut them, but I could still see the ceiling. So I cupped my hands over my eyes, and I still could see the ceiling, which led me to believe my eyes weren't there. There I was, feeling around my face trying to figure out where the fuck my eyes had gone. Dunno, it was interesting, and I had a good laugh about it like I did with most things during that trip. It was like a 8 hour cheesy grin. The visuals where impressive, but it was still emotionally/introspectively dull.

Quick question, I was speaking to a friend who's tripped countless times on 2c's, and we both agreed that something's changed due to the 2c-x use. Not the kind of personality changes that might come with psychedelic introspection, but to some degree it feels like we've never fully come down. Anyone else feel something of the sorts?

 

[SpiralOut]

Have you tried heating the solution slightly and stirring gently, SpiralOut?

Yeah, I do stir the solution up but my chem always ends up clumping still to some extent.

I always figured heating the water up would be bad for the chem. I guess it's alright as long as it's not ridiculously hot?

 

[solistus]

I took a small (8mg) dose the other night before going to an Infected Mushroom show. I dosed 2 hours before arriving. By the trip to the venue (I wasn't driving, of course - even with small doses I never combine psychs and operating multiple ton death machines) I was at a decent ++, with a moderate body buzz, noticeable stimulation and very minor distortions / color warping.

By 2 hours into the show when Infected Mushroom came on, I was unable to decide if I had crossed the +++ threshold (how do you distinguish between being engrossed in the experience or able to go about your day when going about your day involves tons of trippy audiovisual effects?). The strobe light effect worked wonders; in addition to the common 'freeze frame' effect where time seemed to be moving choppily with the light pattern, shapes and colors would momentarily distort on each flash. The most noteworthy specific effect reminded me of the rotoscoping technique from the movie A Scanner Darkly - the best way I can describe it is thus: imagine that each solid object in my vision was actually made up of a few overlapping layers of color. When lined up perfectly, they looked normal. Every flash of the light and/or deep bass boom caused them not to line up perfectly, so I saw multiple silhouettes of each object with odd color shifts around the edges. The many people doing glowstick lightshows were also quite entertaining as they created swathes of dancing, trailing light... One of the most visually engaging experiences I've had in a long time. I still prefer LSD for concerts because of its lack of even a slight body load (I never felt sick over the night but my desire to dance / move much at all came and went over time), but lower doses of 2C-I seem to work pretty well, too. Unlike the tryptamines, I start to notice overt OEV distortions well before entering a headspace that is definitively anti-social or uncomfortable in public. I don't know if the experience would have been as good at a different show, but at a psytrance show it's easy not to be paranoid about tripping in public when it's quite obvious that tons of people there are tripping and/or rolling as well and all the authority figures around are more concerned with people who get aggressive, sick or pass out, not some well behaved guy with saucer pupils and a silly grin.

 

[nopipesdfw]

^ Shit man, how was the show? I showed up on 2C-I + pokeballs but my friend couldn't pay for a ticket, so I went all the way home to go to a party instead.

But yeah, I have taken 2C-X at the lounge and insomnia before, it gets insane up there.

 

[dubsteph]

2ci is a relatively safe drug so far as mixing with otc to relieve some side effects.
I would almost certainly not mix it with anything stimulating ie caffeine/meth
the 2cX chemicals are almost always sensuous in nature and could be thoroughly enjoyed while in coitus
swim enjoys coming down off 2ci with medium to moderate strength opiates as benzodiazapines may not work without doubling up the dose.
have had jaw/facial muscle tension disrupt a good time, only to be solved by methadone/morphine
i suppose valium could work but was not available.
carisoprodol would be ideal.
Fantastic effects have been felt as low as 5mg
swim uses 2ci for the body high and rarely for the psychedelic effects
finds 2ce to be better for visuals as everything feels like a shimmery coating is on everything, like silvery-white saran-wrap is on everything, lasts longer too.
seems like just when you understand the true nature for iodo-phenethelamine its already too late and gone.
2ce gives you those extra hours to appreciate it.
that is all for now

 

[solistus]

I mix 2C-I with caffeine regularly. It certainly won't help you fall asleep any faster, but it never caused or exacerbated any physical unpleasantness for me.

The Infected Mushroom show was incredible. I'm not a huge fan of psytrance in general, but they put on one hell of a show and attract a great scene.

 

[carpaljets]

Hahaha hey solistus
I can't PM you back yet cuz I' a greenlighter and I'd rather make thoughtful posts than trash to get myself to 50
I was gonna say, I'm sure 2C-I would be slammin at a show but I v. hate psytrance and dance music in general. Take me to a Band of Horses or Heltah Skeltah jam
I'm expecting a graduated cylinder via post so my setup just got a little better. Can anyone give me qualitative on the powder? Dealing with the supposedly raw compound is something I'd prefer to limit, mostly for the sake of accuracy and aseptic technique :3 I don't expect it to come in a vial or anything nice like that, only a baggie with a sticker on it. I'm dreading the extraction.

 

[pharmakos]

this is all assuming that you're going to dissolve your 2c-i into liquid.

supplies needed:

glass or similar container
something to stir with. glass is better
an oral syringe. you can get these from any pharmacy
1 fifth (750ml) of vodka. i usually use burnett's, as it seems to be the purest cheap vodka
a funnel
a sharpie

step one: cut open the baggie with a pair of scissors, and dump the powder into your glass. save the baggie, we'll take care of the leftover powder in there in a second.
step two: slowly pour vodka into the glass while stirring. you don't need to pour all the vodka into there, just enough to get the powder to dissolve.
step three: continue stirring until the powder is completely dissolved. if powder won't dissolve completely, you can dip the glass into warm water in a pan on the stove to help it dissolve. you probably won't have to though.
step four: draw a bit of vodka (~5ml) into your oral syringe. carefully squirt this into the baggie, the carefully pour the vodka back out into your glass. repeat three or four times.
step five: once your powder is totally dissolved, use the funnel to pour it back into the vodka bottle. seal up the bottle and turn it upside down and right side up several times to get it all mixed up evenly. use a sharpie to label the bottle with the name of the chemical, the poison symbol, and the phrase "not for human consumption"

bam, you're all set!

 

[greenmeanies]

your process doesn't include the use of a scale to accurately determine how much chemical is in the vodka solution. as has been stated many times here, people have received bags containing 10-50% deviation of the labelled weight!

 

[Roger&Me]

I go with clearly labeling and securing my stash. If someone digs through my room, finds a sketchy looking box, digs past various drug paraphernalia and chugs the bottle of grain alcohol labeled with poison symbols and the name and concentration of the substance, they deserve to have a terrifying trip.

I agree with you in theory (and of course I clearly label my jars as well ). However some of my friends are a bit dense to begin with, and with all sorts of crazy-ass drugs thrown in the mix, there's really no telling what could happen.

With a couple kids in particular, seeing them randomly chug an unknown ethanol solution wouldn't surprise me a bit haha. :D

Drug-people (especially certain sub-specie thereof) can be quite similar to 3 year-old children. They'll get themselves into all sorts of shit, so you've got to be one step ahead of them at all times.

(If you would like an easy experiment to prove this hypothesis, simply leave a bag full of sugar around a group of heads and label it COCAINE in giant black letters. Despite the extreme unlikeliness of such a situation-- that a giant bag of cocaine clearly labeled in black letters would mysteriously appear-- its practically guaranteed that somebody in the group will snort a line of that shit.)

Child locks work wonders as well, buy some-- not that stoned people can't figure out how to open them, but who the hell wants to ruin their buzz trying to fiddle with those fucken things?

Srsly.

 

[Solipsis]

Around my place it's the opposite. No one comes near my chemicals, actually the solutions are on a vacation temporarily until I finish my hideaway display cabinet.
I say its the opposite here because if I simply boil a glass of water in the microwave in the kitchen here, my housemates instantly get all sorts of ideas in their heads of some kind of baffling compound I'm metteling with. They are wary. If I put common agaricus mushrooms on my pizza, alarm bells ring. Everyone is paranoid about psychedelic cooties! :D
And I have no friends that disrespect my hospitality by rummaging around in places quite out of plain sight, well not that I know of anyway.


I also used to have a big 'toxic' warning sign on my fridge door that was strangely appropriate. That was before my dad decided
he could use my fridge to pump aquarium water through it and cool his salt water aquarium and ruin the whole thing by accidentally making a hole in the cooling system. lol. that vato is loco yo

Still, I now plan on putting a lock on that hideaway display cabinet, if only to protect my valued collection from theft. :D
Thanks for the idea!

 

[SpiralOut]

I mix 2C-I with caffeine regularly. It certainly won't help you fall asleep any faster, but it never caused or exacerbated any physical unpleasantness for me.

The Infected Mushroom show was incredible. I'm not a huge fan of psytrance in general, but they put on one hell of a show and attract a great scene.

I'm supremely jealous of you, man.

A friend invited me to come up to Big D and watch that show, but I had a guy's birthday party I promised to show up at.

I'll be making the trip up at the end of next month though and I'm hoping there's some good groups playing that weekend.

On a side note:

Does anyone else feel like they've completely passed 2C-I? It was my first psychedelic (unless you count MDMA as a psychedelic) and I really enjoyed tripping with it. However, after I got deeper into the catalog so to speak, I just found I completely lost all interest in I. It's just TOO gentle, you know? Even if I'm going out just to have fun at a club or an event or whatever, I still need some mindfuck to my trip.

At this point I just keep it around to introduce close friends to psychedelics that want to experience them. I'll always appreciate 2C-I for getting me started, but I've moved on.

 

[tyrael]

Does anyone else feel like they've completely passed 2C-I? ....... It's just TOO gentle, you know?

I understand what your saying but no. I find it nice to take a psych which isn't a complete mind fuck. Mayeb it's just me since I don't feel I'm completely confident with 'full on' psychs (such as LSD), especially in public.

 

[Solipsis]

I agree they just have different uses, but stuff like this can outlive it's usefulness as an adventurous mind exploration tool. I'm sure the effects at higher doses are staggering but I have had not so wonderful experiences with side-effects. On time or another I gotta do at least 20 mgs though...

 

[solistus]

I would agree that, if your goal is adventurous self-exploration, you may find another material more suitable after a little experience with -I. I wouldn't choose 2C-I (not on its own, anyway) if I were planning a big, crucify the ego type trip; LSD remains my top choice for that, and I hear 2C-E has the most to offer of the 2C family for such trips. 2C-I feels like the ultimate recreational psychedelic; it's quite euphoric, the visuals are interesting eye candy (especially at higher doses) and the headspace is altered and interesting without being too weird or scary. While they are clearly very different compounds, I'm tempted to make an analogy to THC; while it is widely considered to be in the psychedelic family, its effects lend itself to a rather different pattern of use than most of its cousins. While 2C-I's effects are more typical as it's a 'classic' 5HT2A psychedelic, the differences are pronounced enough that 2C-I is definitely less like psilocin and LSD than those two are like one another. It seems closest to mescaline from my limited experience with the latter, but even softer.

The downside to seemingly lacking 'the fear' is that I find it much easier to 'binge' on 2C-I compared to other psychedelics. Even if I plan to trip twice in a short time on, say, LSD, there's a decent chance that I'll decide on the day of the second trip to delay the experience, especially if the first trip was at all mentally intense. I don't get withdrawal symptoms and I don't feel a strong compulsion to redose a la MDMA or cocaine, but I find it difficult to abstain for long when I have a free schedule and 2C-I available, and my desire to dose does not seem to decline temporarily after each use which is the mechanism that has always made self control trivially easy for me with psychedelics. I acquired 20 hits of LSD over a 2 week period with my parents' house to myself one summer back in college - and only managed to finish half of it, giving the rest to a friend, because I kept chickening out of planned doses last minute and didn't want to dose twice in a row without a few days in between. I think I only actually dropped maybe 3 times over that 2 week period - which may sound like a fair amount for 2 weeks but given that I had not had such an opportunity in about a year and didn't foresee having one again anytime soon, that was the extent of an 'LSD binge' for me. If I had, say, 200mg of 2C-I instead and 2 weeks of no obligations, it would have been no problem whatsoever to use it all and I might even run out early if I didn't pace myself.