The Big & Dandy 2C-I Thread

[champ]

2c-i creates a moderate tolerance for me, I would wait about 5 days in between doses in order to get the most full experience. However, it's not as dramatic of a tolerance as I experience with tryptamines.

 

[Delsyd]

ive taken 2c-i multiple days in arow with little or no sign of tolerance.

i dont think you really have to worry much. It doesnt produce tolerance as quick as LSD.

 

[Bardeaux]

Tolerance usually lingers for a day or two when I take 2ci. I can use it with success two days in a row but a higher dose is needed. I would say your tolerance should be baseline after 3 days.

 

[Xtc <3]

Plugged 5mg today, my first time plugging .

Comeup nausea was still pretty horrid as always although passed in 30 mins as opposed to the usual hour or two.

Body load was reduced and felt much more euphoric than the oral route.

Had a nice walk up the mountains in the snow watching the sun set...beautiful

Going to up the dosage next time to about 10mg and trip properly, 5mg was weak but I wasn't after a strong trip just some sensory enhancement.

I think plugging seems to be the way forward, didn't hurt at all and wasn't anywhere near as uncomfortable as I thought it may have been.

 

[solistus]

I'm going to add one more data point to the short term tolerance question. You know, for science. Took 20mg last night, just took another 20, will report back (if I remember) on relative potency.

edit: at t+3h, it's hard to say if there is a little loss in potency or not, but it's still a strong +++ two nights in a row. Visuals are subtle patterns/distortions at this dose, much more pronounced with closed eyes. Assuming the length of the experience is not significantly diminished, I would call this little to no tolerance, at least at low-ish doses in the short term with no extended use.

 

[solistus]

For those who have pushed the dosage higher: if I have 40mg of material and want to experience something close to the upper reasonable limit of its dose-response curve, should I take all 40mg at once, or stick to 30? I'm not worried about excessive intensity so much as physical side effects; I hear some reports pushing the dosage well past 40mg, but more typical responses seem to indicate that there is a sweet spot somewhere around 30mg, beyond which the only real difference is more physical stimulation.

The other issue is that my two 20mg doses are in separate bottles, dissolved into alcohol which is diluted in drinking water. To approximate a 30mg dose, I could pour half of one bottle into the other and hope the material is roughly evenly distributed through the solution and not concentrated on the top or bottom. I would then be left with a 10-ish mg dose to find a use for. It would, of course, be trivial to drink all of both bottles for the 40mg dose.

 

[SpiralOut]

Yeah, I've never really found much reason to go over 30-40mg on 2c-i. For me, 12-15 is baseline, 20-25 is a solid trip with decent visuals, and 30+ is more definite psychedelic experience. As much of a psychedelic experience as you can get on a gentle chem like that anyway.

Any higher and, for me anyway, all it does is increase the body load.

The 2cs that get better the higher I go and don't seem to quit are 2C-T-2 and 2C-E.

If I were you I'd just take the whole 40mg if I was sure of the dose, sure of myself being ok with it mentally, and knowing that a pretty strong body load wouldn't bother me too much. Because assuming you got 30mg dosed out right, you're left with 10mg which probably isn't going to do you any good.

At any rate, be safe and have fun.

 

[TheAzo]

The other issue is that my two 20mg doses are in separate bottles, dissolved into alcohol which is diluted in drinking water. To approximate a 30mg dose, I could pour half of one bottle into the other and hope the material is roughly evenly distributed through the solution and not concentrated on the top or bottom. I would then be left with a 10-ish mg dose to find a use for. It would, of course, be trivial to drink all of both bottles for the 40mg dose.

If the 2C-I is dissolved, it is evenly distributed in the liquid. The difference in concentration of a solution allowed to reach equilibrium (assuming a uniform solvent, which will be the case with ethanol + water unless you just mixed them together, and didn't mix at all) will be undetectable, and would be undetectable under gravity so strong that a human would be crushed into a bloody grease spot.
Solutions, in which a material is dissolved in a single solvent phase, do not seperate over time, and once they reach an equilibrium, will stay uniform.
That is why most people use liquid dosing to measure doses of RC's - you dissolve a known quantity in a liquid, and measure the liquid to get your dose, so you can measure 5, 10, 20 mg's, since most mg scales aren't very good at such levels (even tiny breezes will throw them off).
Almost everyone who uses RC's uses liquid dosing for stuff with active doses under 25mg or so....

 

[Roger&Me]

40mg of 2C-I did not feel physically healthy to me. Intense sharp pains in my digestive tract, fucking horrible gurning, jaw pain, my teeth felt like they were hollow, horrible headache, visuals so intense it felt like my brain was frying and my eyeballs were gunna pop out of my head....

I hear reports of people taking 60mg or even 100+mg of 2C-I and it makes me nauseous just thinking about it. 2C-I can be kinda fun, but high doses are not the way to use this compound. I'm never going to take more than 25mg again.

 

[solistus]

TheAzo: thanks. I know liquid measurements with a single solvent work quite well, assuming the material is fully dissolved and does not pass the saturation point. My concern was that a mixed water/ethanol solvent might not remain evenly distributed due to the differing molecular mass of the two solvents. I suppose it makes sense that this is not the case, otherwise vodka and other liquors would have the same problem. So, to clarify: any risk of separation should be solved by shaking the bottle before pouring some of it out, and if I divide the volume of liquid in half I should have pretty close to equal doses?

I'm still divided on the 30mg vs. 40mg question, although I'm now somewhat more confident that the 30mg option is viable. It seems the higher dose is likely to have little effect beyond length and degree of stimulation (I thoroughly enjoy the stimulating body high I get on 20mg but I could see it becoming annoying in excess), but it's possible I'm a bit hard-headed toward the material compared to some others here and it may be months before I have another high dose opportunity.

Any second opinions on 10mg being worthwhile for anything? I know it wouldn't be much of a trip, but I've heard of people taking doses around 10mg as a euphoric stimulant. I know at least one person who dislikes these smaller doses; he finds the stimulation annoying and the euphoria barely present at sub-psychedelic doses. I enjoy the body high I get off 20mg, so a weaker version of that would still be of some recreational value. That may be a tie-breaker if it's unlikely 40 would be better than 30 and it's likely 10 would be better than nothing. Thoughts?

Edit: Roger&Me: So I take it that's an endorsement of the 30 option. Given that 20 was definitely not too intense, I feel relatively confident pushing it up to 30. Given that negative reports in terms of physical effects seem to pick up at around 35+, I am leaning strongly toward the 30 option. I'd still love some feedback on the utility of a 10mg dose.

 

[|>R()|)!G/-\|_]

Why not use rectal administration? I would imagine it would get the most out of your 40mg by providing you with several experiences + eliminating your current conflict about how much to take at once.

 

[solistus]

I've never been able to get over my own fixation enough to try rectal administration. Plus, the material is diluted in a fairly large amount of water, probably too much for any non-oral RoA, and I want to compare dosage to past and future oral doses. Long story short, I plan to stick to oral administration for 2C-*s for the foreseeable future (not a big fan of insufflation, either, though I would consider it if I had dry powder; IV is right out unless nurses or doctors start offering recreational drug doses).

 

[solistus]

30(ish) it is. I'll report back later tonight (as always, if I remember).

 

[Prea]

30mg feels like a completely different drug than 20mg. I wouldn't go over 30mg, it's pretty intense, and rough on the body. Visuals are a bit ridiculous at that dosage too. But the headspace is pretty interesting

 

[solistus]

Approaching t+6h @30 mg... No negative side effects noted, so I may push the dosage higher if opportunity allows, but 30mg seems at least pretty close to the highest worthwhile dose. Visuals are far from overwhelming but are definitely more pronounced, and at t+6h the plateau has not subsided. Combined with cannabis and nitrous it has been quite an evening.

 

[love_sex_desire]

^^ Glad to hear you're having a good time! I've pushed 2C-I to doses upwards of 50 mg but I expect I have a natural tolerance to 2C-I as I've never puked from or felt sick from it, never had intense visuals, meanwhile people were puking and tripping balls at 30 mg. This seems to be one phen I am not sensitive to.

Also, I don't think there were huge differences between my 30 mg and 40-50 mg doses, so if you try pushing the dose let us know how it compared to this one.

 

[Delta-9-THC]

I found just 20mg uncomfortable at times. This chemical is just too stimulating to be very useful for me.

I don't even want to think about how I would feel taking 40mg. I'll save high dose trips for other, more physically transparent chemicals, i.e. Tryptamines.

Most of the phens I have tried so far are very harsh on the body. 2C-C being the gentlest but also being much less intense than the others. 2C-C is more of just a feel good drug with mild psychedelia for me on its own. It's a different story when combined with DMT or K though.

I think my low opinion of phens is because I am very sensitive to stimulants. When I am peaking on 2C-I i can't sit down for more than a minute which greatly impedes the enjoyment of the trip. It also seems to give me a scrambled headspace in which I can't think clearly. Not to mention the headaches. Not exactly conducive to introspection and mental exploration. The OEVs on 2C-I are quite impressive though.

2C-D is next on my wish list of phens.

 

[Bardeaux]

^ I enjoy 2ci the most when I have activities planned or atleast something to do. The stimulation can be a major downside otherwise. But I find it to be a great 'feel good' drug to have a good time with in a loose atmosphere.

 

[solistus]

My first couple 2C-I trips were a bit uncomfortable due to the stimulation, but over time I came to appreciate it. It now leaves me feeling less 'jittery' and manifests more as a euphoric energy than a typical stimulant. My 30mg trip last night was far more comfortable than my first 20mg experience.

Last night, my plateau lasted about 7 hours, followed by a gradual comedown as I went to sleep with minor visual distortions and body high persisting. I slept long and well with vivid dreams and feel great today. I think I'm getting some subtle after-effects, especially with pot, but nothing overtly visual or intense enough to be sure it's more than placebo + THC. All in all, a very positive experience, and I look forward to further experimentation with this material.

 

[blue_locus]

above 25mg definitely starts to get too physically uncomfortable for me, which is a shame because i feel like at 30mg the visuals were so amazing and beautiful, it would have been perfect, except for a severe painful gastrointestinal stitch in my side type thing.

i feel like when i insuflate, the body load is not nearly as bad, has anyone else had this experience? i imagine rectally probably not as bad either, all ive never tried this roa, for 2c-i or any drug.