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The Big & Dandy 2C-I Thread

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Processing 2C-I

Can anyone critique my future process? I'm preparing a 2C-I solution and want to ensure I'm not missing anything.

Weigh out 500mg 2C-I.
Add weighed amount of 2C-I to 50ml of 95.6% ethanol (premeasured; resides in a amber bottle. USP grade, both of em, and a sterile membrane on the bottle for aseptic tecnique, son)
(Question Will 10mg of 2C-I solv in 1cc of EToH? I feel this may be too much dry material which would mean a more viscous soln., but I'm unable to create an experiment atm)
At this point the solution is in a 56ml amber bottle with clear stickers explaining the chemical and warnings against human consumption &c &c
Carefully invert the bottle a few times and store in the freezer.
Use 1cc syringes to dispense soln. onto Choward's Lemon cuz it's the best flavor imho. Let evaporate and then consume the Choward's with 2C-I precipitate. Eat a Choward's
ALSO If anyone has experience dropping solutions of liquids onto solids holla at me: how many drops do different candies "hold?"
 

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carpaljets: I'm not 100% sure but if I recall correctly, my friend's ethanol solution was 20mg/1cc concentration, so 10mg/1cc should be fine.

I'm not sure about dropping onto candies. I've always dropped the alcohol directly into another liquid to drink.
 
solistus said:
carpaljets: I'm not 100% sure but if I recall correctly, my friend's ethanol solution was 20mg/1cc concentration, so 10mg/1cc should be fine.

I'm not sure about dropping onto candies. I've always dropped the alcohol directly into another liquid to drink.
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I know it'd probably be easier but for sake of administration I'd prefer candies man! It adds a bit of, ahhh....
Peace from 512 by the way

I know it's impossible to create an aseptic technique on account of the 2C-I coming from god know what conditions etc. but if I was given a sample of USP grade, untampered, sterile 2C-I inside a small, zipped plastic baggie, what is the best method of extracting the powder from the bag? I heard 2C-I is notoriously "sticky"
I do expect to have to eviscerate the baggie with sx blades but that's oll korrect with me
 
I always preferred a lower ratio, 1mg/mL or 2 depending on the drug, to allow more room for error. Although if you are gonna drop it into candies then you have to go high.

I also always used distilled water. Use alcohol to sterilize a plastic bottle, rinse out with some distilled water , then pour in the drugs, usually 1g of 2Cx to 500mL of distilled water. I always got mine in a sealed glass vial, was easy to get all of it out with a little rinse. Add some food coloring and grab a pepto bismol measuring cup.
 
I'll have to defer to someone with more knowledge and/or experience on the physical questions; I've never handled the dry material myself, only consumed the finished product.

I thought I had some handle on the dose/response curve of 2C-I before tonight's surprising success with my remaining 10-ish mg. If anything, I think I had slightly less than half the initial 20mg volume remaining, so it may have been more like 8mg. At any rate, at its peak it's definitely entered +++ territory. Driving is out of the question. Visual distortions rivaling my 20mg experiences seem to come on demand. The stimulation and body high are similar. Currently at t+4h30m, still going strong with plenty of herb but no nitrous this time around. I'm not sure if this experience is being enhanced by some weird anti-tolerance effect from my recent higher dose experience, or if the dose/response curve for this drug is pretty unstable. I did not expect an 8-10mg dose to be particularly psychedelic, especially given that in the past week, I took 20mg two nights in a row, took one night off, then took 30(ish)mg the night before last. Even if there is no 'anti-tolerance' or afterglow enhancement effect, there is clearly no steep positive short term tolerance, either. This is my smallest dose by half and my fourth in a week, yet if I were told I took a full 20mg I'd probably believe it. The experience certainly resembles a mild trip far more than MDMA or an amphetamine, as I've heard low dose 2CI compared to.

I have a question for more experienced 2C* users: how do -E and -T-7 compare to -I? Is there any combination of any of those 3 that is particularly effective? Are all three compounds equally stable in liquid solution? I know 2C-I in alcohol lasts just about forever even at room temperature; how about -E and -T-7?
 
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As for dosage, I don't think most would find 40mg enjoyable, I agree with Roger. I've used 30 or more several times, up to a max of 35. It did last a bit longer, but the body load got stronger, and the comedown which at say, 25mg I would call practically non-existant, became physically and mentally unpleasant. After various experiments I decided 28 was the most I would ever do in the future, that was just as visual for me as 35.

If you are really determined to push beyond 30, don't jump right to 40. try 34 or 35 first, after that it should be pretty clear if you really do want to hit 40 or not.
 
While we're on this, how would 2CI compare with 2CC? I had I last weekend and found it fun, not too strong but definately more intraverted then T7. I heard C is a lot less of a mind-mess. True? Was thinking about possibly taking C out this Saturday. What do you guys think about how diffcult it would be tolerating C out in public, as in a club.

(I understand it's different for each person. Some people are obviously able to handle their psychs in public more then others. I'm just after a general comparison. :) )
 
Praxis., it's a good point of yours concerning the ratio of drug:solvent. If I were using lesser tools (oral syringes, plastic bottles &c) I wouldn't feel nearly as safe using something like 10 or 15mg/ml! But since I've ready access to whatever gear I need (60, 20, 12, 6, 3, 1cc, TB syringes, all gauge needs, USP bottles, face masks, whatever) and have working in a lab dealing with minute amounts of liquids, I don't feel creating a soln of 10mg/cc would be too off or risky
Also Praxis., you say your 2C came in a glass vial? That gives me /some/ hope toward a cleaner process
 
How much is a good dose if you were to snort some 2c-i on the tail end of some methylone? I know it is supposed to burn like the fire from a thousand suns, but taking it oral gives me some really bad stomach cramps.
 
I am pessimistic about the potential for getting 2C-I into mints and hard candies. It'd be easy to get a bunch of it crystalized on one side of the mint, but i assume the idea is for the candy to cover it up, not to have it all dissolve as you put it into your mouth and taste awful, and then have a mint there as an immediate chaser >.>

You want a porous candy. That's why sugar cubes are popular for LSD - you end up with LSD on the inside of the cube, so it doesnt get rubbed off. With 2C-I though you obviously want something with a flavor to cover it up.
 
^ id imagine that just making an ethanol solution and dropping it on blotter would be much more convienent than trying to make candy.

BUT if you are bent on candy, a marshmallow would work perfectly
you could easily fit 25mg in ~5 mL of water which can be absorbed by a large mallow
 
I'm attached to the idea only because I think it's cute. That's all really
Thanks for the advice everyone!
Dear stormyweathers, you are certain 25mg of 2C-I is miscible in 5ml of EtOH?
 
I confirmed that the solution I've had is 20mg 2C-I / 1mL vodka. This may be a bit harder to measure accurately, especially when you start to run low (although you can always dilute it at that point with distilled water), but with a 1cc insulin syringe it's fairly easy to measure out. Personally, I plan to use a ratio of 5 or 10 mg/mL, FWIW. 1mg/mL is excessive; you start approaching a noticeable amount of solvent, which is especially inconvenient if you use a high ethanol solvent like vodka or grain alcohol. 5mg/mL should be plenty enough to measure accurate doses down to the mg, imo; 10 may increase the margin of error up to 1mg or so. 20mg/mL worked fine for measuring 20mg doses, but it would be a bit tricky to get any other exact value to within 1mg.
 
^I prefer to keep my solutions as dilute as possible, personally-- my logic is that a more dilute solution minimizes the chances of freak accidents occurring, like if there was some ridiculously abnormal circumstance and someone took a drink from the jar or something.
 
2C-I goes into water real well. at 5mg/ml it dissolves instantly, implying that the solution could get alot more concentrated; mix in a little ethanol and you could probably get well over 25mg/ml, which would be enough to lace candies with - but you need porous candies. Altoids work, but you need concentrated solutions. More ethanol is better for that, because it will dissolve less of the sugar, and thus not compromise the structural integrity of the altoid.

Could also make trip-candy by kneading powder into a Now&Later (not one of the wierd-textured grape ones that are in some batches - the good ones that stretch out into long strings if gently warmed and stretched), or other soft candy that you can knead.

Dosing candy is a bit risky, on the potential for people unaware of it's nature eating it.

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^I prefer to keep my solutions as dilute as possible, personally-- my logic is that a more dilute solution minimizes the chances of freak accidents occurring, like if there was some ridiculously abnormal circumstance and someone took a drink from the jar or something.
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The other side of this is to make them so concentrated that only a true moron would think it was OK to drink... A 5-20ml vial shouldnt look apetizing to anyone. I don't mix up more than 2-3 high-end doses at once, so even if someone did drink it, they'd trip balls, but nothing life-threatening. Of course, that requires a good scale, almost good enough that you could measure small doses to begin with...
 
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Also Praxis., you say your 2C came in a glass vial? That gives me /some/ hope toward a cleaner process
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This was several years ago, back in the good old days when you could use a credit card and get overnight fed-exed a vial with papers attesting to the purity. I have no idea what its like now.


And whatever the amount of liquid, food coloring goes a long way towards preventing accidents too.
 
I go with clearly labeling and securing my stash. If someone digs through my room, finds a sketchy looking box, digs past various drug paraphernalia and chugs the bottle of grain alcohol labeled with poison symbols and the name and concentration of the substance, they deserve to have a terrifying trip.

The vendor-ordered 2C-I I most recently saw came in a plastic baggie. It did, however, still come with the lab reports confirming the purity and all that. My friend was able to remove the vast majority of the material easily, and simply poured some of the alcohol he was using as his solvent into the bag to dissolve any remnants stuck to the plastic.



edit - on an unrelated note: are there any other substances besides MAOIs that one should be wary of combining with 2C-I? Plenty of reports seem to indicate its safety when combined with MDMA, cannabis, LSD, psilocin and a variety of other 2C*s. Are there any popular recreational and/or pharmaceutical drugs that should not be combined with 2C-I?

edit2 - on another unrelated note, a brief aside re: the HPPD issue: while I haven't ceased use long enough for the term to apply per se, I have noticed visual effects continuing at least 24-48 hours after some of my trips (possibly longer than that, not sure). At no point so far have these persisting visual effects interfered with my ability to drive, read or otherwise use my vision. For the most part, they manifest in unusual vision conditions: for example, when I squint, I sometimes see patterns more complex than the blurry image I would normally see that are reminiscent of patterns seen while tripping. If I focus on a plain color area of a bright computer display, the dot matrix pattern can begin to form subtly into patterns as well. Unusual light conditions such as bright light seen through closed eyelids or reduced vision due to a sudden transition to low light levels can also trigger these patterns. The effect seems most notable when smoking pot. I am split between interpreting this as a residual aftereffect (the relative intensity and degree of subtlety makes it feel somewhat like it could be a gradual linear decline from the initial trip lasting longer than the rest of the drug's effects) and evidence of a unique long-term HPPD-like effect, but I am almost out of 2C-I until I procure another order, so I'll have a lengthy enough break to put this to the test. At its current degree of subtlety, being almost undetectable while sober and still not at all problematic while at its most intense, it is quite an enjoyable aftereffect.
 
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