The Big & Dandy 2C-E Thread (Second Edition)
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tastethealex
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I find it extremely difficult to dance while on 2c-e, It feels forced unlike the natural flow it feels on most other psyches.
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2c-e solubility
So a friend on mine recently came across 5 grams of 2c-e and wanted to break it down to a really low ratio of distilled water of alcohol. He wants to mix 1000mg or 1 gram of 2c-e to 2.5 ml. Which would break it down to one drop of a sweet breath vial to 10mg of 2c-e. WHat would break it down best and would such a low ratio work? I have had drops of 2c-b that where 20mg a drop in liquid form so i thought this would work also? thanks
So a friend on mine recently came across 5 grams of 2c-e and wanted to break it down to a really low ratio of distilled water of alcohol. He wants to mix 1000mg or 1 gram of 2c-e to 2.5 ml. Which would break it down to one drop of a sweet breath vial to 10mg of 2c-e. WHat would break it down best and would such a low ratio work? I have had drops of 2c-b that where 20mg a drop in liquid form so i thought this would work also? thanks
Culpepers
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In what form? Is it 2C-E freebase or is it a salt?
any major dude
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doubt you could get it to go into solution at that concentration, but i'm not sure. Also, to really use liquid dosing accurately you would need to use a metered dropper & a concentration more like 20-40mg/mL. Also, for basic questions like this, please use the Big & Dandy Thread
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I feel like I don't hear enough about 2ce doses below the oral 10 mg range. I have had a few experiences between 5 - 12 mg. Most of them have been stronger than expected. I'd like to hear other people's opinions on the smaller doses. I think 5 isn't really enough, doesn't get you anywhere besides feeling weird. And 12 is where things start to get crazy, and somewhat visual for me.
8 mg of 2ce eaten with my friend the other night. It was a do nothing day. We dosed around 4 in the afternoon and made dinner. The come-up was long and drawn out. We were feeling alerts probably 45 minutes into it, but it didn't reach its peak until about 2.5 hours in. Then we stayed at a real awesome level for at least 5 more hours... and then there was a gradual come down very similar to the come up.
The peak was great. This material has been extremely introspective in most of my experiences with it. I have went to parties with it, but mostly I think it is better as an introspective tool. It doesn't include a lot of paranoia. My mind was able to journey through different thoughts, memories, and emotions... and with that journey of the mind, I felt at peace with a lot of things. There are still a few things I'm waiting to play out in life, but for all the things that have happened, I am happy for them.
My friend described our plateau as the most epic conversation ever... which in many ways it was. We hit on all the valuable aspects of life, and all the things that need to get done. The trip was great for the both of us... I'm pretty sure I would have had a wasted day had I not eaten the 2ce. It was good to communicate with my friend about our pasts and futures and what being stuck in the middle feels like.
The come-up / come-down was kind of shitty. There was a small headache that began 30 minutes after dosing... It didn't progress very far, but my head did have a lot of strange tension. Felt like it was buzzing/tingling. I felt like I was going to puke for a while... but it never got anywhere bad enough where I would actually have to puke. My stomach just felt really funky, like it had something for me to puke up... I was calm enough that the sensation wasn't able to overwhelm me. The nasty body feelings a less confusing than some other chems (2ct2, 5meoamt, foxy). The plateau was a break from the nasty feelings, but after 5-6 hours I was on the come down and the shitty effects started to really take hold. The headache I had during the come-up came back and it was much worse... I felt very sickly, and just wanted to go to bed. I waited probably another hour and was in bed sometime before 2. I fell asleep minutes after laying down... which is usually difficult for me...
the next day I had a lot of stuff to do... I woke up early after only having 5-6 hours of sleep, which is a decent amount for me. I had a decent breakfast that morning, and I lingering headache. I debated smoking some weed, but decided against it. Things went pretty well throughout the day, and the headache was just background noise. It didn't distract me too much, but it didn't make me feel happy... I guess the laughs during the plateau made up for it.
Overall, it was a real good experience. 8 mg is definitely enough to produce a psychedelic state of mind, and in my experience 2ce is one of the more potent 2cs. It builds more character at the higher levels, but I don't think it is necessary to eat it at the higher levels... I'd rather go with 2cb if i want the beautiful visuals... 2cb with an acid combo gives me some of my favorite visual displays. 2ce has never really intrigued me in a visual way. I have eaten it up to 20 mg. My higher dosed oral trips never produced great visuals (with the exception of a 12-13mg dose I had taken). However, snorting the material gave me pretty incredible rainbow type visuals. Everyone had halos and rainbows swarming around them. It was pretty interesting.
I think that I will probably mostly stick to the lower level with this chem (12mg seems to be my sweet spot).... although I am somewhat interested in trying a 25 mg dose. It probably won't be for a while.... months at least.... maybe weeks though. We'll see how life play out.
Peace!
8 mg of 2ce eaten with my friend the other night. It was a do nothing day. We dosed around 4 in the afternoon and made dinner. The come-up was long and drawn out. We were feeling alerts probably 45 minutes into it, but it didn't reach its peak until about 2.5 hours in. Then we stayed at a real awesome level for at least 5 more hours... and then there was a gradual come down very similar to the come up.
The peak was great. This material has been extremely introspective in most of my experiences with it. I have went to parties with it, but mostly I think it is better as an introspective tool. It doesn't include a lot of paranoia. My mind was able to journey through different thoughts, memories, and emotions... and with that journey of the mind, I felt at peace with a lot of things. There are still a few things I'm waiting to play out in life, but for all the things that have happened, I am happy for them.
My friend described our plateau as the most epic conversation ever... which in many ways it was. We hit on all the valuable aspects of life, and all the things that need to get done. The trip was great for the both of us... I'm pretty sure I would have had a wasted day had I not eaten the 2ce. It was good to communicate with my friend about our pasts and futures and what being stuck in the middle feels like.
The come-up / come-down was kind of shitty. There was a small headache that began 30 minutes after dosing... It didn't progress very far, but my head did have a lot of strange tension. Felt like it was buzzing/tingling. I felt like I was going to puke for a while... but it never got anywhere bad enough where I would actually have to puke. My stomach just felt really funky, like it had something for me to puke up... I was calm enough that the sensation wasn't able to overwhelm me. The nasty body feelings a less confusing than some other chems (2ct2, 5meoamt, foxy). The plateau was a break from the nasty feelings, but after 5-6 hours I was on the come down and the shitty effects started to really take hold. The headache I had during the come-up came back and it was much worse... I felt very sickly, and just wanted to go to bed. I waited probably another hour and was in bed sometime before 2. I fell asleep minutes after laying down... which is usually difficult for me...
the next day I had a lot of stuff to do... I woke up early after only having 5-6 hours of sleep, which is a decent amount for me. I had a decent breakfast that morning, and I lingering headache. I debated smoking some weed, but decided against it. Things went pretty well throughout the day, and the headache was just background noise. It didn't distract me too much, but it didn't make me feel happy... I guess the laughs during the plateau made up for it.
Overall, it was a real good experience. 8 mg is definitely enough to produce a psychedelic state of mind, and in my experience 2ce is one of the more potent 2cs. It builds more character at the higher levels, but I don't think it is necessary to eat it at the higher levels... I'd rather go with 2cb if i want the beautiful visuals... 2cb with an acid combo gives me some of my favorite visual displays. 2ce has never really intrigued me in a visual way. I have eaten it up to 20 mg. My higher dosed oral trips never produced great visuals (with the exception of a 12-13mg dose I had taken). However, snorting the material gave me pretty incredible rainbow type visuals. Everyone had halos and rainbows swarming around them. It was pretty interesting.
I think that I will probably mostly stick to the lower level with this chem (12mg seems to be my sweet spot).... although I am somewhat interested in trying a 25 mg dose. It probably won't be for a while.... months at least.... maybe weeks though. We'll see how life play out.
Peace!
Depressicaa
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I did up to 30 in an oral dose, anal dose around the same. I would say that the lower doses are better if you want to get insight, higher doses just stimulate you more. I enjoy the profile of side effects, but not everyone does.
happydaze
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it is a white crystalline so I believe that would consider freebase? its not salty looking its a fine powder its supposed to be 2c-e HCL
Frank Lucas
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I find this to be such a versatile substance... depending on the dosage, ROA, and any other 'secondary' drugs, it can be used for a variety of purposes. It takes some trial and error to figure out what works in what situation. For me, I have found the following to be useful:
A small dose of 10-12mg taken all at once is good for introspection and the potential to see ones life and the people in it from different perspectives while carrying out normal daily affairs.
A moderate dose of 15-18mg taken all at once is good for introspection in a setting that will allow you to experience some discomfort and work through it without distraction.
A higher dose of around 25mg consumed gradually over a period of one hour allows for intense introspection and the ability bring up and determine the source of repressed feelings. This one is great for uncovering and confronting the proverabial "800 pound gorilla in the room" that no one is talking about. I've taken a dose like this in the company of my wife and she was amazed at how not only was I able to identify my own repressed thoughts, but hers as well. She said it was as though I knew her better than she knew herself, which was shocking to me. How 2C-Exquisite that moment was....
Lastly and least importantly, I've found this substance can be incredibly recreational when combined with synthetic cannabinoids (I have never combined it with natural cannabis because of testing, but what I'm about to write seems to apply as I've watched others do so, and they seem to have the time of their life). It's as though the somatic feelings that are this substances hallmark are manifested as visuals instead. These visuals can be difficult to interpret, although it is clear that the darker visuals seem to coincide with internal unrest. Sometimes it is better to simply marval at them and save the real "work" for another day. It's tempting to push the dosage very high and just have a feel-good experience. In my opinion, anything that makes 2C-E more comfortable, greatly reduces its utility - but there is nothing wrong with that. Just realize that while taking, say, 35mg and smoking JWH-250 throughout the experience might give you insane visuals, some interesting thoughts, and waves of euphoria reminiscent of MDMA, the true beauty of this compound in which it could actually improve your life is when it is taken in a manageable dose all by itself - at least it's like that for me.
A small dose of 10-12mg taken all at once is good for introspection and the potential to see ones life and the people in it from different perspectives while carrying out normal daily affairs.
A moderate dose of 15-18mg taken all at once is good for introspection in a setting that will allow you to experience some discomfort and work through it without distraction.
A higher dose of around 25mg consumed gradually over a period of one hour allows for intense introspection and the ability bring up and determine the source of repressed feelings. This one is great for uncovering and confronting the proverabial "800 pound gorilla in the room" that no one is talking about. I've taken a dose like this in the company of my wife and she was amazed at how not only was I able to identify my own repressed thoughts, but hers as well. She said it was as though I knew her better than she knew herself, which was shocking to me. How 2C-Exquisite that moment was....
Lastly and least importantly, I've found this substance can be incredibly recreational when combined with synthetic cannabinoids (I have never combined it with natural cannabis because of testing, but what I'm about to write seems to apply as I've watched others do so, and they seem to have the time of their life). It's as though the somatic feelings that are this substances hallmark are manifested as visuals instead. These visuals can be difficult to interpret, although it is clear that the darker visuals seem to coincide with internal unrest. Sometimes it is better to simply marval at them and save the real "work" for another day. It's tempting to push the dosage very high and just have a feel-good experience. In my opinion, anything that makes 2C-E more comfortable, greatly reduces its utility - but there is nothing wrong with that. Just realize that while taking, say, 35mg and smoking JWH-250 throughout the experience might give you insane visuals, some interesting thoughts, and waves of euphoria reminiscent of MDMA, the true beauty of this compound in which it could actually improve your life is when it is taken in a manageable dose all by itself - at least it's like that for me.
Jesusgreen
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On a random note, I'm wondering if anyone here could clarify what exactly it is about 2C-E that causes nausea. Because while I've had some light body discomfort with very large doses (40-50mg) I've never had more than a couple of seconds of nausea on this chemical. 4-AcO-DMT on the other hand, which most people say is free from nausea, produces nausea for me every time on the come up.
I seem to remember reading that high levels of Serotonin produce nausea, so is it possible that I just have naturally low levels of Serotonin, or that less is produced in me than in other people when taking something like 2C-E?
I seem to remember reading that high levels of Serotonin produce nausea, so is it possible that I just have naturally low levels of Serotonin, or that less is produced in me than in other people when taking something like 2C-E?
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i wouldn't say it's serotonin itself that causes the nausea-- it's some combination of 5HT3 receptors in the gut, with psychosomatic links in the mind.
perhaps your personal 5HT3 receptors are more sensitive to 4-AcO-DMT than 2C-E.
i know that even when the gut is bypassed entirely (rectal or insufflated dosing) some people still report strong nausea from 2C compounds.
perhaps your personal 5HT3 receptors are more sensitive to 4-AcO-DMT than 2C-E.
i know that even when the gut is bypassed entirely (rectal or insufflated dosing) some people still report strong nausea from 2C compounds.
any major dude
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I'd tend to think its just a personal variance. Typically tryptamines give me worse nausea than phens, but for most people i know its the other way around. I doubt it has anything to do with serotonin, just different things irritate different people's stomaches.
And a fair amount of the time it is probably somewhat psychosomatic
And a fair amount of the time it is probably somewhat psychosomatic
amanitadine
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Dunno about it not having anything to do with serotonin. I would agree that 5HT3 activity has quite a bit to do with it. Compounds known for their nausea (mescaline, 2C-E, aMT, 2C-t-7, etc) are often combined with ondansetron, a 5HT3 antagonist, andlot of the nausea and malaise goes away. Whether this 5HT3 action is due to "spillover serotonin" or these compounds having a higher affinity I believe is unknown. And irritating the stomach has a bit to do with it (see differences between oral and plugging) but not everything (see differences between oral and plugging).
But I would agree that a fair bit of the time it is indeed psychosomatic.
Cheers
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Frank Lucas
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I'm currently doing some experimentation with piracetam as a potentiator and I'm happy to report a strong ++ with just 7.5mg of 2c-e. I preloaded with 5g of piracetam and 520mg DAME. Nice controlled visuals, amazing headspace and no bodyload at all... this is exquisite.
Blowmonkey
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Maybe also post your findings in the following thread:
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?p=4458746#post4458746
What's your normal dosage for 2C-E to get to that +2?
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?p=4458746#post4458746
What's your normal dosage for 2C-E to get to that +2?
Frank Lucas
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About 15-16mg I would say... but not with the same clarity or lack of a somatic feeling. This was quite a unique feeling. I think the DMAE might be a significant factor as well. For the sake of science I'm going to try preloading with the same dose of DMAE and 1/4 the dose of piracetam as well as with no piracetam at all. I've preloaded with piracetam before and it seems like the degree of potentiation has a lot more to do with the dose of DMAE than of the piracetam (DMAE, which is thought to act as a choline precursor by penetrating the BBB and being methylated in the brain to form choline and ultimately ACh). Incidentally this was the highest dose of DMAE I have ever taken before taking 2C-E... I usually just take it so I don't get a headache from the piracetam, but I had a strange feeling that more might be.... MORE in this situation, and I was right. Needs to be explored further.... by me... LOL.
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madswagga
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2C-E lets me down. any help?
I had alot of high hopes for this drug when i ordered it. after the three trips ive had since all i can think of is how disgusted I am.
2Ce is an imposter. it wishes it was lsd. its feels like a dirty synthetic lsd. the body high it comes with makes you feel like you snorted a bump of meth. and sometimes can bring terrible body load comedowns. Not even the visuals seem natural. Things dont "flow" like lsd or mescaline.
That being said I'll still give it a chance. At least one more time. Whats everyones personal opinion on dosing? Ive been snorting 20-30 mg. I love how it hits you when you snort it. Eating is too slow and gradual it seems. Not reallly into plugging, not something Ive ever explored haha. I wish the shit wouldnt burn so bad
not the worst thing ive put up the ol nostril but damn she aint pleasant
I had alot of high hopes for this drug when i ordered it. after the three trips ive had since all i can think of is how disgusted I am.
2Ce is an imposter. it wishes it was lsd. its feels like a dirty synthetic lsd. the body high it comes with makes you feel like you snorted a bump of meth. and sometimes can bring terrible body load comedowns. Not even the visuals seem natural. Things dont "flow" like lsd or mescaline.
That being said I'll still give it a chance. At least one more time. Whats everyones personal opinion on dosing? Ive been snorting 20-30 mg. I love how it hits you when you snort it. Eating is too slow and gradual it seems. Not reallly into plugging, not something Ive ever explored haha. I wish the shit wouldnt burn so bad
not the worst thing ive put up the ol nostril but damn she aint pleasantFrank Lucas
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2C-E has a character all it's own, that's for sure. It really doesn't feel like anything other than 2C-E to me. It does feel somewhat like a tryptamine.... like a techno-synthetic tryptamine if you will, in that I feel that buzzing sensation through my hearing and through my body that I do with tryptamines, but it's at a higher frequency and there's something about the buzz that feels... "otherworldly" if that makes sense... as if rather than coming from the terra firma like it does on 4-HO-MET or a stiff dose of AMT, it originates from somewhere up in the sky. In any event, it's difficult to describe, but it's so pronounced that it begs to be analyzed... I feel like the intensity of that buzzing is one of the main differences between a ++ and a +++ on 2C-E.
But back to your original question - You may have a cut or impure product if you need to snort piles of it. My first batch of 2C-E was crap, and I had no idea how strong this stuff was until I got better stuff from a different source, and then better stuff from the source that sent me the crap the first time. The "crap" worked fine, but I had to take at least three times the dose as I did of the pure product. I was in for a rude, rude awakening when I took 30mg of the pure product after getting used to what 30mg of the weak stuff did...
But back to your original question - You may have a cut or impure product if you need to snort piles of it. My first batch of 2C-E was crap, and I had no idea how strong this stuff was until I got better stuff from a different source, and then better stuff from the source that sent me the crap the first time. The "crap" worked fine, but I had to take at least three times the dose as I did of the pure product. I was in for a rude, rude awakening when I took 30mg of the pure product after getting used to what 30mg of the weak stuff did...
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