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The Big & Dandy 2C-E Thread (Second Edition)

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i actually have no direct experience with 2c-i tolerance, but i definitely noticed a 'muted headspace' from 2c-e if i tried to space the trips too closely. don't get overzealous just because you have a ton of the stuff, it's a very special material :)
 
Oh, definitely. I plan to take a full week off of all drugs stronger than caffeine and pot to prepare for an intense, higher dose -E experience, possibly after a few more lowish dose experiments.

So far, I've noticed ZERO bodyload despite dosing literally minutes after eating a burrito. Even on low dose -I I've felt a little queasy on the come up, but I've had no issues whatsoever with 12mg oral -E. The visual intensity is picking up, the body high is an interesting stimulation with a unique feeling quite similar to 2C-I (very natural feeling, a much 'cleaner' energy than, say, amphetamine).

So far, the visuals are similar to -I but a bit more forceful. I think it would take higher doses for reality to start melting in front of me, but color distortions, subtle patterning and wavy/fractal images are pretty common, with vivid CEVs especially to music.
 
i've only once had bad purging on 2c-e, when i made the mistake of dosing on top of a hangover.

usually it gives me a deep hunger for good food.
 
Having tried -E only twice now, I have some initial observations:

1. -E feels very much like -I but significantly more potent. 12mg of -E feels much like 20+mg of -I to me. I haven't been able to put my finger on any unique effect -I provides that -E does not. The general nature of the visuals seems identical to me. I don't think I could tell a moderate dose of -I from a light-ish dose of -E if I were given one without knowing which.
2. Whatever tolerance effect either drug has on its own and/or whatever cross tolerance exists between the two, similar doses on concurrent nights seem to produce similar effects for as long as I've cared to extend the experiment. Time dilation and some of the weirder peak experiences may be subject to tolerance, and I certainly intend to give -E a proper try with a high dose and 5HT2a receptors that have had a week or two with no chemical bombardment, but the body high and visuals, the altered thought patterns I associate with sub-ego death level tripping, don't seem prone to any tolerance effect whatsoever for me. I can have a long lasting, enjoyable, thought provoking +3 multiple nights in a row with these compounds.
3. Combining -E and -I doesn't feel particularly different from either on its own. This is my first experiment with the combination, and I'm currently trying to decide if it's worthwhile to acquire further -I for my future 2C trips or if -E alone will suffice. I'm not convinced the combination will offer anything -E alone cannot; that said, this combo is the strongest 2C trip I've had so far, although I suspect that's because it's the most -E I've taken (18mg) more so than the 10mg of -I I added to it.
4. Reading about 2Cs convinced me to treat them like mushrooms or acid and fast before and avoid eating during the trip. I probably wouldn't want to eat while coming up but other than that, 2Cs seem to go just fine with food. Surprisingly, my oral doses haven't seemed to take much longer if I ate before taking them like acid would - within an hour I'm solidly on the way up even if I just ate a big meal. YMMV, so please don't be mad at me if you take 2Cs after a nice meal and puke it all up, but in my experience I've often regretted not eating because I'm tripping and can't drive to get food and never once regretted having eaten before or during my trip.
 
I did 2c-e for the first time Thursday night.


It was my first psychedelic experience ever and let's just say wow.


I starting insufflating small bump, probably 8mg over an hour. Colors got a little brighter and things were getting slightly wavy, but I wanted a better experience, so I kinda got in junkie mode and railed about 15mg. My nose burned like a mother and immediately there were crazy trails and waves.


I got scared, close to panic cause I was sure I had taken too much and this would be a bad, bad trip, but luckily, I was chatting with a friend online and got ahold of him on the phone and he talked me down.


The first thing that happened was I was looking in the mirror and my face morphed into Buddha and the world became purple and there were sphinxes on either side of me. The Smashing Pumpkins' "Mayonnaise" was on the radio, which was pretty rad. I wish I had let myself really go, but I was still pretty terrified, so I tried to control the trip and come back down to earth. The rest of the night the visuals were just very colorful and bright. I remember trying to look for my phone by the light of the glow above my head.

There was no real introspective quality to it, and the body high sucked in my opinion. I was freezing, and the comedown was pretty physically painful. When I walked, it felt like my bones were rubbing against each other.


I'm going to try again tonight though to see if the trip is better now that I'm not so scared.
 
I was considering choosing 2c-e as my first psychedelic phen to try out, but now its probably ending up to be 2c-b anyway; I'm not certain though, my biggest concern is the potential physical side effects and harm it can have, the effect itself as its described sounds like something I'm definatly in for; so basically what I'm wondering; any people who accidently took heroic doses, and what was the result, and anyone ever experienced (lasting) side effects?
 
azgaza: I know at least one fellow BLer who has pushed 2c-e much further than I have, if I remember I'll tell him he should post about it... I've gone as far as 28mg -E and 10mg -I, both ingested orally with the -I a few hours later, with no significant negative effects, just a little transient nausea on the way up but nothing close to actual vomiting - at worst maybe like the sketchy feeling I might get an hour or two after scarfing down a fast food burger. At any rate, my own experiences with 2C-E in particular have been extremely positive so far. I certainly can't guarantee you will have similar results, but based on the only experience I have (my own), I recommend 2C-E to anyone interested in trying a 2C in general. I was a little apprehensive at first; I tried -I which gives me minor dose-dependent nausea, and read that -E was more 'difficult/neutral' and nauseating. I found it to be quite the opposite - more euphoric in addition to seeming intellectually 'deeper', and it seems less nauseating than -I although it's a minor side effect for me in both instances.
 
I dosed 2C-E orally last night. I can't be sure how much because I don't have a scale, but looking at what I have left, I would say it was at least 25mg.

The visuals were nowhere near as intense as when I insufflated it, but it still felt stronger overall somehow.

It took a long time to kick in...about 2 hours before I had full-blown visuals. It was slightly more introspective than with the insufflated dose, but it wasn't the deep therapy tool I have been told it could be. The body high still sucked, and my joints were very painful.

Overall, I just really don't like -E that much, and if I were to do it again, I would probably insufflate it because the visuals were really the amazing part about it to me.

One good thing about the oral dose though was that the come down was easy, and I was able to fall asleep faster.
 
azgaza said:
I was considering choosing 2c-e as my first psychedelic phen to try out, but now its probably ending up to be 2c-b anyway...*snip*....

any people who accidently took heroic doses, and what was the result, and anyone ever experienced (lasting) side effects?
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I have pushed this up to about 25mg oral/15mg insufflated and it was wild...too much - things started to get confusing...I have a friend who's sniffed a 100mg line of e & b mixed...crazy fucker...

I would choose 2c-b as my first hallucinongenic phen to be honest, I started with 2C-E and thought it was grand though.
 
azgaza said:
I was considering choosing 2c-e as my first psychedelic phen to try out, but now its probably ending up to be 2c-b anyway; I'm not certain though, my biggest concern is the potential physical side effects and harm it can have, the effect itself as its described sounds like something I'm definatly in for; so basically what I'm wondering; any people who accidently took heroic doses, and what was the result, and anyone ever experienced (lasting) side effects?
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There has been over 150mg nasal doses been taken with no noticeable side-effects, other than whatever revelations the trip itself held.

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/subs/exp_2CE.shtml - the 150-250mg dose.

Erowid also has reports from people who've summarized their experiences with doses as high as 80 orally. In that perspective, 2C-E should be rather safe. I don't remember any of them noting long lasting side-effects either.

However, there are a few adverse effect reports (check the rest from Erowid):

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=42793

Few single time uses should be perfectly safe. I also read somewhere of a guy who developed a habit for 2C-E and had 100mg of it daily and when he quit, the "general disconnection from one's digestal tract" -feeling remained with focusing eyes being difficult.

In any case; No known cases of single time damage (and very, very few on habitual usage even) or deaths are reported for 2C-E.

From my own experience, both are good for starting. 2C-E can be more intense and might bear much worse bodyload and more easily triggered paranoia, anxiety and so. However, it is, in my opinion, much closer to "true psychedelia" that does make the general feeling of "tripping" quite familiar. At least it did for me. :)

Jblazingphoenix100 said:
I have pushed this up to about 25mg oral/15mg insufflated and it was wild...too much - things started to get confusing...I have a friend who's sniffed a 100mg line of e & b mixed...crazy fucker...
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My top doses are the same, first took 25mg orally and 4-5 hours later sniffed 10-20mg (eyeballing.. bad, bad!). And it indeed gets a bit too wild, I got stucked into this loop of eternal déjà vu and couldn't move. One suggestion made was that I in fact fell asleep for a very short moment and immediatelly woke up to a sleep paralysis. Was crazy stuff, in any case, and doesn't teach that much to be honest. Except to keep the heroic doses infrequent.

EDIT: Oh, I definitely recommend 2C-E over 2C-B if you've got the possibility to try out on lower doses; It wasn't my preferred method and I tend to often think that divin' straight into psychedelic can be a lot more rewarding than slowly working one's way up. But it works wonders for those who are worried about the well-being of their mind and body. ;)
 
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^ I would say the same thing, I have jumped into psychedelics in the same way - teh second time I did 2C-E (my first phen) I snorted 15mg and it had me weeping for my family - worked out alot that night, whilst seeing the most intense visuals.

I like to dive into the deep end with a new substance on my own or with people that I feel pretty much completley comfortable with (or think I am), then the next coupla times I take them I take it down a notch, ya know? Find out the merits of low dosing.

I found low dosing 2C-E to be very sensual - my tactile senses were heightened a nice amount, I was a lot more aware of my reaction to touching things, and I remember wishing that I could have some lengthy sexy sessions, not just fucking though - proper love making. Also noticed the rise in body temperature, which caused me to walk around with few clothes on, always a plus as it was not a uncomfortable temp rise.

Finally low dosing didn't give me "the horn" as such, like 12-15mg insufflated did, which I found cool, as my first 2 doses with 2C-E made me intensely hot N bothered ;)
 
I notice a body temperature increase as well - reminds me of a much milder version of the pleasant body warmth I feel on MDMA. I don't seem to sweat a lot or anything like that - I just feel like I've been active and my muscles are nice and warmed up, more or less.
 
Mmm! I would have to agree ^ on the likeness to a mild body warmth of MDMA, been so long since I had any but yeah thinking about it I would agree.

I think it would be very good for yoga/meditation too, at this low dose (roughly 4mg dabbed).
 
Hi guys,

I've never done 2-ce before. I've only done 2-cc and 2-ci as psychedelic.
For 2-ci I only need 15 mg to trip hard. I'm very sensitive for psychedelics and easily get negative thought loops. So I'm a bit affraid of 2-CE.
I'm planning to take a 5mg dose. Would I be feeling anything out of this dose??

Thanks
 
I have more experience with psychedelics in general and a much higher natural tolerance to 2Cs compared to you, but I've used 2C-I and -E both a fair amount. I find 2C-E to be similar but *much* more intense at similar doses compared to 2C-I. Again, I don't get any negative mental effects off 2Cs in general, so I don't know how that aspect would differ, but the visuals and the degree to which my mental processes are altered relative to dose are both much more pronounced.

That being said, 5mg is a small enough dose that it should be a gentle introduction until you have a better sense of how 2C-E affects you. I think most people who are not super insensitive would certainly feel a 5mg dose, although it may not be intense enough for you to consider it a 'trip' per se. If you want to try out 2C-E I think 5mg sounds great for a safe starting point. Depending on how that goes, if you decide you want to try upping the dose, do so in no more than 5mg increments, preferably less unless at least as long as you still have worries about the potential for a bad trip.

You may want to check the PD Index thread for threads relating to new psychedelics users and/or avoiding bad trips. There are a lot of common techniques and discussion that may help you, whether with 2Cs or just psychedelics in general, with negative thought loops. Once you're familiar enough with tripping that you can tell you're falling into a negative thought loop, it becomes much easier to break free of them. Some negative thought loops are just random silly fears or paranoid thoughts but often the ones that are particularly stubborn about going away once I tell myself that have some deeper unconscious meaning. In those cases, if you can figure out what unpleasant experience or memory, for example, may be involved, and work through any unresolved hangups relating to that, it can turn a bad experience into a very productive one.

BTW, I'm assuming you're talking about oral doses for all of this. Insufflated, it's no surprised 15mg of -I would be excessive and 5mg of insufflated -E would probably be enough for a proper trip for most first timers.
 
misterh said:
Hi guys,

I've never done 2-ce before. I've only done 2-cc and 2-ci as psychedelic.
For 2-ci I only need 15 mg to trip hard. I'm very sensitive for psychedelics and easily get negative thought loops. So I'm a bit affraid of 2-CE.
I'm planning to take a 5mg dose. Would I be feeling anything out of this dose??

Thanks
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As mentioned, I find 2C-E to be very neutral and void of any strong emotions. While on say, psilocybin, it may be easy for the anxiety and sporadic thought processes to combine into a negative thought loop, on 2C-E, you'll simply be left dumbfounded at the mesmerizing beauty of what's developing around you, both open and closed eye. Personally, I have a terrible fear of aliens. Stupid as it may be, its about the only thing I'm genuinely afraid of. With that said, while on 2C-E once, I heard a bit in a song that made me think of aliens and I started visualizing them coming to get me. When that happened, I simply relaxed and just changed it into something else.

As others have mentioned, it is a drug that you can manipulate. If you want to be flying a car through space, will it to be and it will be so. Climbing a mountain? Again, just will it to be and it will be so. Many find the drug difficult for this reason, as compared to say, psilocybin, the drug doesn't necessarily carry you through a trip, it simply makes your imagination much, much more vivid, to the point where YOU are in control and YOU can turn things around. Compared to other psychedelics, while tripping on 2C-E, you will retain a sense of "you," and even though there may be periods of time where you don't know what "you" are, where you are, what you're doing, etc., you realize that you are still "you" and thus are in control of your trip. For this reason, the drug is also listed as being "clear minded." You will retain a sense of self, and therefore, can reposition yourself into a good mindset, and continue tripping well.

YMMV, of course.
 
misterh said:
Hi guys,

I've never done 2-ce before. I've only done 2-cc and 2-ci as psychedelic.
For 2-ci I only need 15 mg to trip hard. I'm very sensitive for psychedelics and easily get negative thought loops. So I'm a bit affraid of 2-CE.
I'm planning to take a 5mg dose. Would I be feeling anything out of this dose??

Thanks
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First time I did 2C-E I tried out 5 mg and definitely got something out of it. A lot more than I expected, but it was in no way intense. It should be a good introductory dose for someone more sensitive to 2C-I, but you'll probably want to titrate the dose up to 8-10 mg next time and then take it slower from there.
 
Yeah, some aspects of 2Cs (stimulation, much of the body high in general, some basic elements of the visuals like brighter colors) seem remarkably consistent between doses - they definitely scale to some extent with higher doses but there seems to be a diminishing return based on how powerful they can remain at very low doses. The headspace is the part that scales most obviously, along with the more complex and engaging visuals and the... overtness of both OEVs and CEVs (the visuals you would be unsure to say if you saw or just vividly imagined on low doses will be unambiguously OEVs on higher doses, at least in my experience for the most part). The length also increases from a few hours to 12+ hours - I had one visually active trip that lasted about 18 hours before I finally decided to sleep - I was still at a lightly visual +2 when I went to bed and fell asleep while exploring the CEVs to music. That was on over 30mg, though, so don't expect an 18 hour trip on anything in the pihkal range if you have a relatively typical response.
 
I discovered on my most recent trip that any negative body high tends to be attributed to food, at least for me. I hadn't eaten most of the day but ate on the come up, for a while it was the smoothest trip so far with practically no body load but as I started digesting I got those infamous gut pains and muscle clenches, so my advice is to fast or eat very lightly prior to tripping
 
I've not had a psychedelic in over a year and am thinking of getting back into it with 2c-e, I think my last trip was actually a fairly high dose of 2c-e. I was doing them too much briefly before this, for the wrong reasons and wasting the experiences. 2-ce is all I actually have so is partly why I chose it but also the potential depth would be a good opportunity I think.

I'd like to reset my old pysch experiences/habits with something new. I don't want it to turn into another night of staying awake just trying to watch TV (I tend to keep the TV on as some kind of crutch, being afraid to completely be on my own) and then feeling depressed as daylight breaks at the end of the trip, bringing with it the realisation that the real world does exist and I am back in it. I'd like to do it early in the evening so there is still some night time to sleep through at the end. Not during the day or outside (even though I'd like to do that a lot more in the future) as I want to still be alone with just myself with this one.

I want to properly let go and not fight delving into new spaces, I never really intend to fight but it happens anyway.

I'm just thinking out loud really, rather than asking for advice. I want this year to be a spiritual, insightful year like 2004 was to me. Most of the years since then have been difficult, and not in the good way that challenges are.
 
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